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Post by Iakus on Dec 8, 2018 17:09:53 GMT
Personally i agree with you. Hawke didn´t work for me but i knew a lot of players who are fine with DAI Hawke. So who is right? Sorry everybody in Thedas knows the Inquisitor not only Solas. He/she isn´t effective like Harding who can easily be overlook.
For most of Thedas Harding is just a small female dwarf.
Also you really want to do minor fetch quests like find my ring as Inquisitor again?
Right, except soldiers in the Inquisitors OWN FREAKING CASTLE didn't even recognize them when they were sitting right next to them with Iron Bull....Can we please stop this ridiculous charade of "EVERYONE KNOWS THE INQUSITOR!" No, they know their reputation. You cannot convince me, that all of Tevinter is going to know the exact details of the Inquisitors physical appearance when people who worked IN THE SAME BUILDING as the Inquisitor for A YEAR did not instantly recognize them when their sitting right there, talking about how amazing they are. This is getting truly ridiculous, the amount of bending of facts that are going on in order to justify biases. Although keep in mind that if the setting for the next game is Tevinter, any qunari, and likely any Dalish elf seen wandering around is gonna draw attention just by not being slaves.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 8, 2018 18:49:09 GMT
Right, except soldiers in the Inquisitors OWN FREAKING CASTLE didn't even recognize them when they were sitting right next to them with Iron Bull....Can we please stop this ridiculous charade of "EVERYONE KNOWS THE INQUSITOR!" No, they know their reputation. You cannot convince me, that all of Tevinter is going to know the exact details of the Inquisitors physical appearance when people who worked IN THE SAME BUILDING as the Inquisitor for A YEAR did not instantly recognize them when their sitting right there, talking about how amazing they are. This is getting truly ridiculous, the amount of bending of facts that are going on in order to justify biases. The Time is there the most important thing. You have a point but what did the Inquisitor already accomplished at this moment? Well he/she was appointed as Inquisitor and thats it. Even at the Winterpalace the orleasian nobles didn´t recognize the Inquisitor or didn´t believe it. But something had changed aftet this event. The Inquisitor was the one who supported Celene, Briala or Gaspard. And he/she was the power behind Divine Victoria. And don´t forget he/she was the one who killed an ancient Tevinter Magister and healed the Heaven. Of Course Tevinter won´t admit that but they all know (maybe not the slaves) who the Inquisitor is and how he/she looks.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 8, 2018 19:54:12 GMT
Right, except soldiers in the Inquisitors OWN FREAKING CASTLE didn't even recognize them when they were sitting right next to them with Iron Bull....Can we please stop this ridiculous charade of "EVERYONE KNOWS THE INQUSITOR!" No, they know their reputation. You cannot convince me, that all of Tevinter is going to know the exact details of the Inquisitors physical appearance when people who worked IN THE SAME BUILDING as the Inquisitor for A YEAR did not instantly recognize them when their sitting right there, talking about how amazing they are. This is getting truly ridiculous, the amount of bending of facts that are going on in order to justify biases. The Time is there the most important thing. You have a point but what did the Inquisitor already accomplished at this moment? Well he/she was appointed as Inquisitor and thats it. Even at the Winterpalace the orleasian nobles didn´t recognize the Inquisitor or didn´t believe it. But something had changed aftet this event. The Inquisitor was the one who supported Celene, Briala or Gaspard. And he/she was the power behind Divine Victoria. And don´t forget he/she was the one who killed an ancient Tevinter Magister and healed the Heaven. Of Course Tevinter won´t admit that but they all know (maybe not the slaves) who the Inquisitor is and how he/she looks.
Orlais is obviously going to be infinitely more familiar with the Inquisitor than Tevinter. Skyhold is located, IN ORLAIS. The Inquisitor spends almost that entire year in Orlais. Again, as we all know, The Inquisition had almost no presence what-so-ever in Tevinter. and Dorian, his father and (possibly) Calpernia are the ONLY Tevinter citizens whose even seen the Inquistor. Every other interaction with Tevinter is through letters. Yes, they know the Inquisitors reputation. But last time I checked, Thedas does not have TV's, cameras or Megascopes and thus has no way to confirm the physical appearance of people so far away.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 8, 2018 20:04:17 GMT
But last time I checked, Thedas does not have TV's, cameras or Megascopes and thus has no way to confirm the physical appearance of people so far away. Well The Inquisitor like the new Divine Victoria will be on a lots of portraits. Even in Tevinter they have plenty of those. Of course they won´t admit that but is without a question that the Inquisitor is one of most important person in Thedas. Even more than Empress Celene or Emperor Gaspard and thats saying something.
So yeah you can bet that all Tevinter nobles and high ranking Qunari knows who the Inquisitor is.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 9, 2018 2:14:58 GMT
Most DA protagonists are only peripherally connected to each other, and that's at best. The Warden went to Lothering were Hawke lived but they never met. Hawke went to the Free Marches were the Inquisitor was from.
Following this pattern, the Inquisitor should come from Orlais. I don't have a problem with that, but don't make me talk in a French accent unless there is some power behind the voice.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 9, 2018 12:51:20 GMT
But last time I checked, Thedas does not have TV's, cameras or Megascopes and thus has no way to confirm the physical appearance of people so far away. Well The Inquisitor like the new Divine Victoria will be on a lots of portraits. Even in Tevinter they have plenty of those. Of course they won´t admit that but is without a question that the Inquisitor is one of most important person in Thedas. Even more than Empress Celene or Emperor Gaspard and thats saying something.
So yeah you can bet that all Tevinter nobles and high ranking Qunari knows who the Inquisitor is.
Ah, but someone has to typically pose for a painted portrait. And since Headcanons are being thrown around willy nilly to justify arguments, my Inquisitor would never pose for a portrait.
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Post by anarchy65 on Dec 9, 2018 14:37:05 GMT
As much as I'd like to play with the Inquisitor again, it would be weird with only one of the hands. It wouldn't make much sense. You couldn't play a double-dagger rogue or a two-handed warrior. But a new protagonist also sounds weird to me, but less weird (I mean, Thedas would have 4 world saviors in a decade, what are the odds? Not sure if they are the luckiest or less luckiest land on fantasy games).
What I'd really like would be my Warden back, but I know that's not gonna happen and it wouldn't make sense in the story. Would like to at least play with him in a small part, or at least see him I mean, they brought back Hawke, who nobody asked for, why can't they bring back the Warden?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 14:58:19 GMT
While I understand that people want to see their Inquisitor deal with Solas, one of the things that I most enjoy about the DA series is that I get to create a new PC in each game. I would hate to lose that. If you want the story of a single hero's journey over the course of a series, you already have ME. I have faith that the writers can come up with a good reason for the new PC to take on Solas and for the Inquisitor to be absent. I also think it's more realistic that there would be multiple heroes since the story is spread out over a decade and across the continent.
The only possible upside to having the Inquisitor return in DA 4 is that it would ensure four races for the PC again. Which I desperately want to see. If the option were returning Inquisitor PC OR human only new PC, then I'd go with Inquisitor. Otherwise, please give me someone new.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 9, 2018 15:00:29 GMT
While I understand that people want to see their Inquisitor deal with Solas, one of the things that I most enjoy about the DA series is that I get to create a new PC in each game. I would hate to lose that. If you want the story of a single hero's journey over the course of a series, you already have ME. I have faith that the writers can come up with a good reason for the new PC to take on Solas and for the Inquisitor to be absent. The only possible upside to having the Inquisitor return in DA 4 is that it would ensure four races for the PC again. Which I desperately want to see. If the option were returning Inquisitor PC OR human only new PC, then I'd go with Inquisitor. Otherwise, please give me someone new. And they can continue that trend in DA5, after they finish the current story they started but left unresolved via Trespasser. Also Mass Effect may not be going that way anymore so we don’t have that as a source for that kind of storytelling.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 9, 2018 15:07:26 GMT
While I understand that people want to see their Inquisitor deal with Solas, one of the things that I most enjoy about the DA series is that I get to create a new PC in each game. I would hate to lose that. If you want the story of a single hero's journey over the course of a series, you already have ME. I have faith that the writers can come up with a good reason for the new PC to take on Solas and for the Inquisitor to be absent. I also think it's more realistic that there would be multiple heroes since the story is spread out over a decade and across the continent. The only possible upside to having the Inquisitor return in DA 4 is that it would ensure four races for the PC again. Which I desperately want to see. If the option were returning Inquisitor PC OR human only new PC, then I'd go with Inquisitor. Otherwise, please give me someone new. I don't think they will bother with all races again. I doubt it will be worth the production cost when most surveys show the majority of players prefer to play as either human or elven. My preference is for detailed origin stories. But if BW can't provide that with multiple protagonists, I would prefer to play as human only then.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 15:11:04 GMT
While I understand that people want to see their Inquisitor deal with Solas, one of the things that I most enjoy about the DA series is that I get to create a new PC in each game. I would hate to lose that. If you want the story of a single hero's journey over the course of a series, you already have ME. I have faith that the writers can come up with a good reason for the new PC to take on Solas and for the Inquisitor to be absent. I also think it's more realistic that there would be multiple heroes since the story is spread out over a decade and across the continent. The only possible upside to having the Inquisitor return in DA 4 is that it would ensure four races for the PC again. Which I desperately want to see. If the option were returning Inquisitor PC OR human only new PC, then I'd go with Inquisitor. Otherwise, please give me someone new. I don't think they will bother with all races again. I doubt it will be worth the production cost when most surveys show the majority of players prefer to play as either human or elven. My preference is for detailed origin stories. But if BW can't provide that with multiple protagonists, I would prefer to play as human only then. If the Inquisitor is going to visually show up in DA4, then they pretty much need to have all four races available to customize, no?
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 9, 2018 15:13:17 GMT
I don't think they will bother with all races again. I doubt it will be worth the production cost when most surveys show the majority of players prefer to play as either human or elven. My preference is for detailed origin stories. But if BW can't provide that with multiple protagonists, I would prefer to play as human only then. If the Inquisitor is going to visually show up in DA4, then they pretty much need to have all four races available to customize, no? If the Inquisitor is not the protagonist, then no. It wouldn't be too different from Hawke in DAI in contrast.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 15:18:30 GMT
I don't think they will bother with all races again. I doubt it will be worth the production cost when most surveys show the majority of players prefer to play as either human or elven. My preference is for detailed origin stories. But if BW can't provide that with multiple protagonists, I would prefer to play as human only then. If the Inquisitor is going to visually show up in DA4, then they pretty much need to have all four races available to customize, no? Exactly. If the Inquisitor is in the game at all -- even as a cameo -- then they will need to have customization for all four races. Which means that the assets will already be developed and in the game so it would make no sense to have only human or elf PC options. Sure they could do a watered down option for all of the races, but that seems like the least cost-effective option. Less options PLUS spending assets on customization features but with limited options? Although I suppose it is EA that we are talking about......
Also, considering the lore, it would be a major dropped ball to not include a dwarf PC option if we are going to be running around Tevinter. Although, to be fair, I'm unsure how it would work to have a qunari PC. Of course, I probably would have said the same thing about having a qunari PC as the head of a religious-based paramilitary organization as well, so who knows?
Ultimately, the "not worth the production cost" argument rings pretty hollow. They went back to multiple races in DA:I after going with human only in DA2. And that same argument was made pre-DA:I release as well. "They got rid of multiple races because so many people played as human." "They are able to tell a more structured story if they have only one race." "They should cater to their fanbase who mostly play as human males." Clearly the DA devs think differently. I'm still a bit worried that they will reduce PC options in DA4. But I think it's more likely than not that they'll include multiple races again.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 9, 2018 15:25:27 GMT
If the Inquisitor is going to visually show up in DA4, then they pretty much need to have all four races available to customize, no? Exactly. If the Inquisitor is in the game at all -- even as a cameo -- then they will need to have customization for all four races. Which means that the assets will already be developed and in the game so it would make no sense to have only human or elf PC options.
Also, considering the lore, it would be a major dropped ball to not include a dwarf PC option if we are going to be running around Tevinter. Although, to be fair, I'm unsure how it would work to have a qunari PC. Of course, I probably would have said the same thing about having a qunari PC as the head of a religious-based paramilitary organization as well, so who knows?
Ultimately, the "not worth the production cost" argument rings pretty hollow. They went back to multiple races in DA:I after going with human only in DA2. And that same argument was made pre-DA:I release as well. "They got rid of multiple races because so many people played as human." "They are able to tell a more structured story if they have only one race." "They should cater to their fanbase who mostly play as human males." Clearly the DA devs think differently. I'm still a bit worried that they will reduce PC options in DA4. But I think it's more likely than not that they'll include multiple races again.
But it will cost more considering it's not just a case of character creator. They would also need to hire more then two voice actors, they would need to make animations different for certain scenes depending on the protagonist height and body shape, they would also need to work on various armor shapes for the multiple protagonists. Inquisition suffered from having multiple races because Bioware clearly had to cut corners over that decision. Having more options came at the expense of inferior origin stories for the Inquisitor. Not everyone feel connected to a character whose past is nothing more then a bunch of text and a couple of war table operations. Hell, even Shepard had interactions with characters from their past in ME.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 15:30:51 GMT
But it will cost more considering it's not just a case of character creator. They would also need to hire more then two voice actors, they would need to make animations different for certain scenes depending on the protagonist height and body shape, they would also need to work on various armor shapes for the multiple protagonists. Inquisition suffered from having multiple races because Bioware clearly had to cut corners over that decision. Having more options came at the expense of inferior origin stories for the Inquisitor. Not everyone feel connected to a character whose past is nothing more then a bunch of text and a couple of war table operations. Hell, even Shepard had interactions with characters from their past in ME. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I think that the series is better for having multiple race options. You don't. I see just as many people clamoring for the Inquisitor to return (and not just because they want him/her to face off with Solas) as I do those who wanted Hawke back after DA2. So I think it's six of one; half dozen of the other. Ultimately, the devs will make their choice. As I'm currently limping my way through DA2, I genuinely hope that they don't shoe-horn in less PC options again. But we'll have to wait and see, I guess.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 9, 2018 15:40:39 GMT
In theory, detailed background are not something mutually exclusive with playable races: Bioware’s original plan was to have human-only Inquisitor with several background to pic. I think the problem in DAI was more due of the playable races being added quite late in development, the situation would be different if they planned them from the start (Origins is a testament of that).
I love playable races but I’m not someone that necessarily needs them. There are pros and cons in both approaches. One thing I’d say, is that having the Inquisitor in the game as NPC, even if with a CC, doesn’t mean the PC will be chosen from multiple races. While the cost of the CC would be already here for the Inquisitor, the same couldn’t be said for the cinematic cost in handling the PC in all scenes with different races for him/her, as well for the various armours, and more.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 15:43:59 GMT
If they will go with one or two playable races, they better crank up the character customization to HIGH HEAVENS.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 9, 2018 19:38:16 GMT
We have so many humans in our party in every game, that with the exception of Hawke and ooone Morrigan-mancing Circle Mage Warden that I can never quite seem to get off the ground, I basically can't bear to play human and add more humans to a party that's already saturated with them.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 19:48:49 GMT
My human playthroughs always fall flat the fastest. There's nothing really special about humans, visually or thematically, so I find elves, qunari and dwarves much funner to play as. For me it's qunari > elves > dwarves > humans.
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Post by jadedragon on Dec 9, 2018 20:05:18 GMT
In theory, detailed background are not something mutually exclusive with playable races: Bioware’s original plan was to have human-only Inquisitor with several background to pic. I think the problem in DAI was more due of the playable races being added quite late in development, the situation would be different if they planned them from the start (Origins is a testament of that). I love playable races but I’m not someone that necessarily needs them. There are pros and cons in both approaches. One thing I’d say, is that having the Inquisitor in the game as NPC, even if with a CC, doesn’t mean the PC will be chosen from multiple races. While the cost of the CC would be already here for the Inquisitor, the same couldn’t be said for the cinematic cost in handling the PC in all scenes with different races for him/her, as well for the various armours, and more. I agree that Bioware going back to add all races playable definitely had its negative effects on Inquisition. Not saying adding the races was the negative that was a BIG positive, but after them crafting a game for Human only then having to go back and add races they didn't really flesh out the race origins that's why so much of the origin related content was all War table missions. I don't mind the Origins being wartable missions but some type of physical mission either at the end of that quest chain or a actually Origin mission like Origins would have helped with the actual race inclusion. Apart from Humans being Humans, Elves mostly female got the most out of the racial selection in Inquisition.
So if DA4 is going to do multiple races especially if the setting is Tevinter it would be be the perfect time to bring back Origins as the prologue. The Origins did a good job of introducing the different cultures of Fereldan and with Tevinter probably having the largest cultural difference especially amongst the Humans in Thedas it would be a great chance to explore that with our Protagonist as a Human.Mage Human, Dwarf, Elf, or Qunari. But this has to be the plan from the start. If they already set DA4 to be one race only which more then likely means Human only then I would rather they stick to their guns then tack on races that would make our character seem hollow and empty.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Dec 9, 2018 20:16:38 GMT
Otoh I like playing humans the most because they're not that special, haha. I like initially rolling average joes who just get caught up in stuff, and for me the most relatable of those is human by default because, well, I'm human. My second runs are always a different race, if available.
I can't imagine they'd take away the race choices at this point, though. The fandom would riot and I think by now they probably realize it really does add to the experience for a lot of people.
If we do get a new protagonist I hope we get some more adventurous backgrounds. Child of a dwarven merchant prince, a poor human thief, a former slave, something different. I don't know how some of those would work, lol, but anything other than another Dalish and umpteenth human noble, please.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 20:42:52 GMT
but anything other than another Dalish and umpteenth human noble, please. Cheers, I'll drink to that.
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Post by jjdxb on Dec 9, 2018 21:46:33 GMT
For reference, here is a pivot table (I hate you, excel) of the responses to the Dragon Age Subreddit Demographic Survey 2018Obviously this shouldn't be taken as the gospel truth, we would need to account for the demograpic makeup of the DA subreddit vs all DA:I players, but we do know that EA/BW keep their own records on this information. But I'm pretty sure the conclusion as far as which races are played least is the same (Dwarves and Qunari) There's proper data somewhere or some comment from the devs, I'm pretty sure of it, which says the same.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 9, 2018 21:50:55 GMT
oooooooooh! how about, next game we play as solas in disguise? =D
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