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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 8, 2018 0:18:34 GMT
I've said this to you before but you've ignored me, but no they don't know the Inquisitor. They know of the Inquisitor, which is a big difference. The Inquisitor even after operating in the open for months in Ferelden and Orlais was still not recognized by people like the Orlesian nobles. So going to Tevinter which barely paid attention and they would blend in quite easily. Sure, why wouldn't I? Because the Inquisitor killed Corypheus one of the seven magister who entered the golden city.
Also the Inquisitior was the (wo)man in charge who had decided which person ruled over Orlais. Yeah they know about the Inquisitor and they know exactly how he/she look like. The Inquisitor like Divine Victoria will be on a lots of portraits.
But Tevinter won´t admit it that they know.
Again, that is them knowing of them but not knowing them. One of the things addressed multiple times in the game is how being a person that influential makes you both more than a person but also less than a person to others. So they'll imagine the Inquisitor to be what they imagine which may not fit what you actually are. Again, even people in the places you directly were didn't recognize your face or even your race at first. Plus Tevinter as we see has far more pressing matters to attend to than the now weakened Inquisitor wandering around.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 8, 2018 0:22:48 GMT
I'm for a brand new character. I don't want female Lavellan Solas-romancers to get special content that no one else gets. Every character should meet Solas from the same level. If you're going to gait romances and keep the most important and interesting ones straight, the least you can do is not let that shit carry through into the next game. Bah, I'm sure if we end up playing the Inquisitor again, our choices will come down to destroying the elves, controlling the elves,, or merging with the elves regardless of what happened previously
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 8, 2018 0:35:59 GMT
I'm for a brand new character. I don't want female Lavellan Solas-romancers to get special content that no one else gets. Every character should meet Solas from the same level. If you're going to gait romances and keep the most important and interesting ones straight, the least you can do is not let that shit carry through into the next game. It doesn't have to be just straight though, there could also be a good chance that Dorian would get some extra content with the inquisitor. I'm also guessing that there wouldn't be any romance continuing either, I can actually picture the dialogue options being exactly the same, with maybe one line changed or something. I also know plenty of people that didn't romance Solas but still want to deal with him as an inquisitor cleaning up the mess.
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Post by Syv on Dec 8, 2018 1:08:42 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved? Nobody said that. They could do that. But having the inquisitor as the protagonist gives a better story and there are more logical reasons to go with him. After, for the sake of having something new, yes we could still find something. And I'd be curious to see where it goes and how Bioware will handle it if it happens that way.
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Post by frozone on Dec 8, 2018 1:44:55 GMT
I'm fine with either a new protagonist or the inquisitor.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 8, 2018 1:46:42 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved? Nobody said that. They could do that. But having the inquisitor as the protagonist gives a better story and there are more logical reasons to go with him. After, for the sake of having something new, yes we could still find something. And I'd be curious to see where it goes and how Bioware will handle it if it happens that way. Who says it makes a better story? I don't want that story. I already played that story. I don't see how stopping Solas from tearing down the veil is even different enough from stopping Corypheus from breaching it to even warrant a sequel at all. If all Dragon Age is going to be from now on is preventing assaults on the veil over and over again, then I don't want to play it. I also don't want to have to play a game set in every single goddamn country before we get down to the real shit. If they INSIST on taking this route, then I want to see BioWare have the balls to bring down the veil and unleash the Evanuris right away, and really shake things up. Ideally, Solas and the Inquisitor will BOTH die or be rendered irrelevant in the opening cutscene.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 8, 2018 2:21:22 GMT
I'm for a brand new character. I don't want female Lavellan Solas-romancers to get special content that no one else gets. Every character should meet Solas from the same level. If you're going to gait romances and keep the most important and interesting ones straight, the least you can do is not let that shit carry through into the next game. It doesn't have to be just straight though, there could also be a good chance that Dorian would get some extra content with the inquisitor. I'm also guessing that there wouldn't be any romance continuing either, I can actually picture the dialogue options being exactly the same, with maybe one line changed or something. I also know plenty of people that didn't romance Solas but still want to deal with him as an inquisitor cleaning up the mess. Regardless of Dorian's circumstances, my last sentence stands. Alistair, Morrigan, now Solas ... it's getting old. And so far Solas is arguably THE most important companion and romance in the franchise, though of course we can only speculate at this point. I disagreed vehemently with him being gender-locked (race-locked could be argued, but I disagree with that, too, and there are people who only feel comfortable playing as certain body types, i.e. dwarf, qunari, etc.) but since he is, straight PCs should not yet again be given the special privilege of having an super important love interest. Take my comments with huge mountains of salt, of course, since I did use a mod to romance Solas and the fuckin romance wrecked me like no other video game romance has, so I'm super bitter our love won't be canon, and I'm about to suffer through about two years of having to watch other people swoon over fem!solavellan all over again (Basically, I disagree but respect your opinion. I genuinely believe they fucked up in making Solas straight, and the worst part is, they don't even realize it. I don't think that mistake should carry over into the next game).
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Post by themikefest on Dec 8, 2018 2:36:29 GMT
But the elves would be destroyed? Yes, but the chaos will return I can control them? Yes, but you will die. merging is the final evolution of all life
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Post by phoray on Dec 8, 2018 2:57:19 GMT
^^^^ Wait. This is a "which color ending do you want?" Mass Effect subtle jab being applied to Dragon Age. Missed that till themikefest broke it down for me.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 8, 2018 3:15:54 GMT
I still haven't been sold on having a new protagonist.
I'm aware DA loves going through new protagonists with every game like a child going through crayons, but replaying Trespasser... the Inquisitor is just too tied to Solas' plight and on many levels. Over the course of DAI we see that out of everyone in Thedas, the story, the connection and personal history of Solas is most rich with the Inquisitor. There would be so many wasted opportunities if BioWare discards that connection between Solas and the Inquisitor for a new protagonist.
I don't want to waste time learning about a new protagonist's background and story when we could skip that and delve right back into the rich history that already exists between Solas and the Inquisitor.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 8, 2018 3:33:15 GMT
But the elves would be destroyed? Yes, but the chaos will return I can control them? Yes, but you will die. merging is the final evolution of all life
Or try to fight him, he goes "f*ck you" and destroys the world.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 8, 2018 5:05:30 GMT
But the elves would be destroyed? Yes, but the chaos will return I can control them? Yes, but you will die. merging is the final evolution of all life
Or try to fight him, he goes "f*ck you" and destroys the world. Instead of standing around looking like a dumba** like that other clown did, I'll rip off his knife ears, then stab him to death with them.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 8, 2018 5:09:57 GMT
Or try to fight him, he goes "f*ck you" and destroys the world. Instead of standing around looking like a dumba** like that other clown did, I'll rip off his knife ears, then stab him to death with them. I see what you did there, knife ears.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 8, 2018 6:56:34 GMT
Nobody said that. They could do that. But having the inquisitor as the protagonist gives a better story and there are more logical reasons to go with him. After, for the sake of having something new, yes we could still find something. And I'd be curious to see where it goes and how Bioware will handle it if it happens that way. Who says it makes a better story? I don't want that story. I already played that story. I don't see how stopping Solas from tearing down the veil is even different enough from stopping Corypheus from breaching it to even warrant a sequel at all. If all Dragon Age is going to be from now on is preventing assaults on the veil over and over again, then I don't want to play it. I also don't want to have to play a game set in every single goddamn country before we get down to the real shit. If they INSIST on taking this route, then I want to see BioWare have the balls to bring down the veil and unleash the Evanuris right away, and really shake things up. Ideally, Solas and the Inquisitor will BOTH die or be rendered irrelevant in the opening cutscene. I don’t think they’re going to do that for either. Even if we get a new protagonist they’re not going to kill off the Inquisitor at the start. Given the hashtag they’re using so far for the game, Solas will have a central part in it. While I am interesting in exploring Solas’ plot and further expanding the knowledge of ancient elves, I do think they need to work on it to make it look and feel different then Inquisition. Although the gathering of elves around him own different and more world-changing then Corypheus gathering mages and templars.
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Post by cribbian on Dec 8, 2018 7:00:41 GMT
New independent hero sounds best to me though I'd be fine with being a secret Inquisition agent too.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 8, 2018 7:46:45 GMT
Hawke in DAI was a complete and utter desecration of a lot of player's Hawkes, mine included. and they are hardly alone when it comes to old PCs returning as NPCs. So no, it absolutely does not work. Personally i agree with you. Hawke didn´t work for me but i knew a lot of players who are fine with DAI Hawke. So who is right? Sorry everybody in Thedas knows the Inquisitor not only Solas. He/she isn´t effective like Harding who can easily be overlook.
For most of Thedas Harding is just a small female dwarf.
Also you really want to do minor fetch quests like find my ring as Inquisitor again?
Right, except soldiers in the Inquisitors OWN FREAKING CASTLE didn't even recognize them when they were sitting right next to them with Iron Bull....Can we please stop this ridiculous charade of "EVERYONE KNOWS THE INQUSITOR!" No, they know their reputation. You cannot convince me, that all of Tevinter is going to know the exact details of the Inquisitors physical appearance when people who worked IN THE SAME BUILDING as the Inquisitor for A YEAR did not instantly recognize them when their sitting right there, talking about how amazing they are. This is getting truly ridiculous, the amount of bending of facts that are going on in order to justify biases.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 8, 2018 7:57:40 GMT
LOL! this is a test, they didn't do it in Andromeda with the twins but could they have figured out how to play 2 toons using the Frostbite engine for this installment of the game?
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 8, 2018 8:08:08 GMT
LOL! this is a test, they didn't do it in Andromeda with the twins but could they have figured out how to play 2 toons using the Frostbite engine for this installment of the game? I don’t think the Frostbite was the problem. Even if they had the plan to play with both Ryder twins (did they say that?), the messy development was more of a reason, likely. There’s nothing preventing having two protagonists in a game, except the cost for implementing the feature in terms of time and resources.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 8, 2018 8:13:39 GMT
LOL! this is a test, they didn't do it in Andromeda with the twins but could they have figured out how to play 2 toons using the Frostbite engine for this installment of the game? I don’t think the Frostbite was the problem. Even if they had the plan to play with both Ryder twins (did they say that?), the messy development was more of a reason, likely. There’s nothing preventing having two protagonists in a game, except the cost for implementing the feature in terms of time and resources. that is true but time will tell.
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Post by Kaibe on Dec 8, 2018 8:17:57 GMT
Honestly, the Inquisitor’s personal history with Solas is the only reason I’d want them to return. Trespasser made me feel like they, publicly at least, moved on. Not only did they lose their arm but most of their companions and possibly LI seem to have moved on. Another reason is that the Inquisitor says they’ll have to find people who Solas doesn’t know.
But who knows, it could go either way.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 8, 2018 12:09:11 GMT
I never talked to Solas after getting to Skyhold. But apparently, Solas is such a special guy to my Inquisitor lol.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 8, 2018 12:25:49 GMT
It's possible the game could take place far enough into the future that the Inquisitor wouldn't be around to deal with Solas.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 8, 2018 15:07:03 GMT
All the people who insist that Solas can only be the Inquisitor's arch nemesis take me back to my Marvel Comics days; Wilson Fisk started as a Spider-Man villain, but now most of his greatest wars are with Daredevil. Likewise, Wolverine and Thanos began as minor adversaries to the Hulk and Iron Man, respectively .
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Post by jjdxb on Dec 8, 2018 15:53:15 GMT
This has just hit me, so what I'm about to say may make no sense, but.... here goes:
We know a lot of people want to play the Inquisitor (judging by this poll). While I think the Inquisitor will be featured in the next game in person in some form, they will not be a protagonist. The rest of this post is more of a wishlist than a prediction.
Briefly, yes, there will be more than one player character. For most of game, you will play the normal BW protagonist in the vein of the Inquisitor or HoF. In the beginning, however, there will be a 2hr or so prologue. This will function as a tutorial of sorts as well, much in the same vein as the very first mission of DA:I before you become the Herald.
What differs here is that instead of playing DA:4's main protagonist, the prologue is set in the dying days of Imperial Arlathan and you take control of an Ancient Elf. What this would do is serve as both a tutorial and a exposition to Solas' reasoning and justifications for tearing down the veil by giving you a glimpse into his world before the veil the created. So from what know in DA:I, the straw that broke the camel's back for Solas was the murder of Mythal. The time between the murder and the creation of the veil is the ideal time thus to do a lot of important exposition. In general terms, this prologue would consist of some fighting and some dialogue and end with this characters death not long after the world that dreams and the world that wakes were sundered apart.
So let's say this elf character you control is some soldier of Mythal who is currently in the middle of a fighting retreat back to the last stronghold of Mythal left in Thedas, Mythal's Temple in the Arbor Wilds (nice callback here as well). You arrive there are and have some expositional conversation with someone there (let's say Abelas again for the callback), and you get sent out again to some dimension of the fade like Vir Dirthara in trespasser to fight some soldiers belonging to one of the other gods (let's say... Elgar'nan). You can't be on "Thedas" because we know that even if elves did die directly due to the Sundering, we know for sure they suffered and died while they were in those pocket dimensions to a greater extent I'd argue (compare the state of the library and the Temple of Mythal, as well as the fact we know Arlathan the city outlived the empire), and I want this protagonist to die. There is some nice foreshadowing in dialogue from some officers of Elgar'nan speaking among themselves worried that they are unable to contact Elgar'nan (because Solas has locked the Evanuris away). Cue about 20 minutes of fighting to try and secure some objective location and just as you get there and confront the general in charge, the world around you begins to fall apart. You run to try and get back to the eluvian connecting you to the Temple, but the collapse reaches you and you fall into the abyss below with the last thing you see being visions of chaos and death in the Empire before you black out.
Cut to black and then the Title card and character creation for the real protag.
Anyways those are my thoughts, i just think it would be a cool and strong introduction to the game.
Rewritten for clarity! (old version in the spoiler)
I’ll preface this by acknowledging that I know a lot of people have been wishing for the Inquisitor as a protagonist, either as the sole protagonist or in some sort of dual protagonist with the new Hero in DA:4. I’m going to go ahead right now and say this point doesn’t involve the Inquisitor, though I believe they will be involved in the game in some way.
Firstly, the primary justification for my post here is due to the fact that I think exploring Solas as a character in DA:4 would be best served by exposition and his actions, rather than by direct conversation with him (show, don’t tell). It is a lot more satisfying in Trespasser to figure out that Solas is Fen’harel rather than him saying as such to you directly. In this context, in order to gain greater understanding of Solas’s mindset, I feel we need to know first-hand what happened when the veil was created and what Elvhenan was like in its heyday. In this way, I hope we can avoid casting Solas as simply another cookie cutter big bad with no real justification for his megalomaniacal intentions of destruction. With that I mind, I need to caveat that what follows isn’t so much a theory about what I think we will see as more of a wishlist about what I would like to see in DA:4.
DA:4 will likely start off the same way DA:2 and DA:I started, with a combined tutorial/prologue primarily concerned with some kind of cataclysm. What I propose this cataclysm be for DA:4 is the one that sent Solas on the path he’s in the “real-time” of the Dragon Age games: the murder of Mythal and the creation of the veil.
Instead of playing the main DA:4 protagonist, you will take control of someone in the midst of the greatest crisis Elvhenan has seen to date; the murder of Mythal has led directly to a purge of Mythal servants/followers by the forces of the other Evanuris.
The prologue starts with your character, who is a low ranking officer of Mythal’s army, executing a fighting retreat with the survivors of your garrison back to the stronghold of Mythal left in what we now call Thedas: the Temple of Mythal in the Arbor Wilds (this would also be a nice callback). You get there and have some expositional conversation with one of the guardians (let’s say Abelas, again for the callback) about the state of the army and basically acknowledging that barring some kind of miracle, this is the end for the Cult of Mythal and its adherents and so everyone agrees to fight to the bitter end.
Abelas sends you and a small company of survivors through the Eluvian(*1) with orders to try to secure one of the pocket dimensions that belonged to Mythal which is currently being invaded by soldiers of another God (let’s say Elgar’nan), and, if failing that, rescue some kind of artefact(*2) and bringing it back to the Temple. While you are hiding somewhere, you overhear officers for the other army mention in a panicked tone that they can’t contact Elgar’nan (because Solas has very recently locked the Evanuris away). You fight your way to the artefact location and you grab it, but are immediately confronted by a general of Elgar’nan and the leader of his forces here but before any fight with them breaks out, the world around you suddenly starts to break apart and collapse(*3).
You start running to the Eluvian that connects to the Temple while your surroundings continue to fall apart, but just as you are on homestretch the collapse reaches you and the grounds give way from underneath. You throw the artefact back onto what looks like more solid ground in an attempt to save it, but you cannot stop yourself from falling. As you plummet into the darkness, you are surrounded by visions of the chaos and destruction being wrought across the Empire in that very moment accompanied by the sounds of screaming Elves before there’s a fade to black. Cue Dragon Age 4 title card and character creation for the real protagonist.
I personally think this or something would be strong start the story, not just in terms of emotional weight and amazing visuals, but most importantly in terms of setting out clearly what was lost when Solas created the veil. It would allow to explore a small slice of pre-Veil life in Elvhenan, with all the magic, palaces in the clouds and slavery that that would entail. We need to know on a deeper level the feelings that drive Solas to pursue his goal despite knowing full well the suffering and death his actions will incur. Remember he isn’t entirely heartless, since part of his motivation for joining the Inquisition is to prevent as much suffering as possible before he enacts is plan. If we can see firsthand what was lost and how, it would go a long way in ensuring that Solas as a quality and worthy antagonist in the game.
*1 For the purposes of this prologue, the character cannot be on “firm ground”; we know that the temple itself and Arlathan survived somewhat intact after the veil was created, and the greatest damage was done to the parts of the Elvhenan that were primarily anchored in magic (e.g. the pocket dimension). This prologue needs to end with this character dying, and so through the Eluvian we go. *2 Chekov’s gun, this artefact is key to both Solas carrying out his plans in the modern day, and the new protagonist stopping that from happening, not just in the sense of preventing Solas from using it but also using it against Solas. The protagonist manages to find it exactly where in landed in this pocket universe so many centuries in the past. *3 The cataclysm that accompanies the creation of the veil and the sundering of the worlds that wake and dream.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 8, 2018 16:13:07 GMT
LOL! this is a test, they didn't do it in Andromeda with the twins but could they have figured out how to play 2 toons using the Frostbite engine for this installment of the game? Heh! It would be interesting if you could choose at the beginning, like Inky gets knocked out of commission for part of the game so the new protagonist does what they can't, and then they wake up later to address the Solas situation (or not. My Inquisitor's not real invested in Solas). Or it could be like Awakening, where you can continue with your Origins Warden or create a new Orlesian Warden.
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