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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 14, 2019 18:36:50 GMT
Do you guys think we'll be able to have a playable origin, unique depending on one's race/class like in Origins? I hope we do. This game needs to remind us that Tevinter is radically different from the rest of Thedas and a way to ease in new players who might be playing their first Dragon Age game. I hope not, unless they're prepared to budget sufficiently for the writing/voice work that would entail. I'm frankly still disappointed that outside of maybe 3 scenes, there was zero difference between my Qunari Inquisitor and just a really big Human Inquisitor. If that's all "origins" will be able to amount to going forward, then better they don't do them at all then do them so poorly.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 14, 2019 21:13:11 GMT
Dressing up his ideals and hiding behind a calm facade, when he's really just an elven supremacist. I don't think this is accurate. (Or really jives with his "You showed me I was wrong. You are people." acknowledgment to a friended Inquisitor.)
I mean, if he was an (ancient) elven supremacist, why would he give a damn about keeping southern Thedas free from the Qun? He could have let the Qunari blow up the exalted council and it'd be no skin off his nose. Or why does he show caring for Bull, Cassandra, Varric, and Dorian? None of them are elvhen.
Velanna is an elven supremacist. Solas is not. He's not "restoring the world of the elves" cus the elvhen were better than everyone. He's doing it cus he thinks things as they are are broken and that he's responsible for breaking it.
And, in the sense of how the world is "supposed" to be, he's not wrong. The fade's natural state is to be mingled with the physical world, and the current divide is both man-made and precarious.
More than likely, it is simply a matter of what he can use. Infiltrating the Qun is probably more difficult considering he already had infiltrated the Inquisition and other groups. As for the people he likes, that's the whole "I have black friends" argument. The difference between Velanna and Solas is that Velanna learns her lesson. Solas does not. The fact that one might consider the world "not as it is supposed to be" is pretty irrelevant. If you're going to kill countless people to follow your goal, who cares if it is right?
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Post by Nyralim on Apr 1, 2019 19:15:58 GMT
While I like there to be a role for the Inquisition in DA4, it should be more of a sideline role (not ignoring it, it's far to important and big). The main purpose is done and bring order, a new enemy a new hero to end the threat. Kinda what DA always did. Would be a bit less Dragon Age without it. If you would go with Inquisition to much, it might end up getting stale because what would the difference be with DAI?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 1, 2019 19:20:26 GMT
While I like there to be a role for the Inquisition in DA4, it should be more of a sideline role (not ignoring it, it's far to important and big). The main purpose is done and bring order, a new enemy a new hero to end the threat. Kinda what DA always did. Would be a bit less Dragon Age without it. If you would go with Inquisition to much, it might end up getting stale because what would the difference be with DAI? I'd rather have stale(disagree entirely with this btw) over complete garbage that having a new protagonist would make it.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 1, 2019 19:55:45 GMT
While I like there to be a role for the Inquisition in DA4, it should be more of a sideline role (not ignoring it, it's far to important and big). The main purpose is done and bring order, a new enemy a new hero to end the threat. Kinda what DA always did. Would be a bit less Dragon Age without it. If you would go with Inquisition to much, it might end up getting stale because what would the difference be with DAI? I'd rather have stale(disagree entirely with this btw) over complete garbage that having a new protagonist would make it. the game isn't out yet its the height of presumption to assume it will be garbage.
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Post by legbamel on Apr 1, 2019 20:21:45 GMT
Unless leaving the veil up will lead to some delayed side effect that will kill everyone, and taking the veil down is the only way for some life to continue, Solas doesn't have a moral leg to stand on. Do we know if the blight might be related/unrelated to the presence of the veil? i seem to recall solas not being enamoured of the wardens and Appearing to know more than he was revealing. I was wondering this, as well. His reaction to the goal of killing the Archdemons to end Blights was interesting, to say the least. I can't help but wonder if there is some connection between the Veil and the Blight that has not yet been revealed. It may very well be that the presence of the Veil has doomed Thedas over the very long term and that Solas views are more akin to an amputation to save what he can than killing one group of people in preference for another.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 1, 2019 21:41:18 GMT
I'd rather have stale(disagree entirely with this btw) over complete garbage that having a new protagonist would make it. the game isn't out yet its the height of presumption to assume it will be garbage. Not when we know what at least one of the plots is going to be.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 1, 2019 21:56:01 GMT
While I like there to be a role for the Inquisition in DA4, it should be more of a sideline role (not ignoring it, it's far to important and big). The main purpose is done and bring order, a new enemy a new hero to end the threat. Kinda what DA always did. Would be a bit less Dragon Age without it. If you would go with Inquisition to much, it might end up getting stale because what would the difference be with DAI? Yeah I hope the inquisition is periphery at most.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 1, 2019 23:25:41 GMT
the game isn't out yet its the height of presumption to assume it will be garbage. Not when we know what at least one of the plots is going to be. While I do understand your reasons for being skeptical there is legions of difference between a definite and a probable. Afterall while it is likely based on past experiences that they will screw the pooch, at least for you, when it comes to this issue it is possible they won't. It is possible that they won't include any OOC lines for the Inquisitor if they should make an appearance without our input. It is possible that despite anyone's feelings that a new player character will win us over. And it is also possible that the new antagonist will be able to put their own fresh spin on any relationship with Solas. The point is we don't know.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 2, 2019 5:58:37 GMT
It did warm my heart upon my return to see that the correct answer is leading in the poll.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 6:27:33 GMT
Not when we know what at least one of the plots is going to be. While I do understand your reasons for being skeptical there is legions of difference between a definite and a probable. Afterall while it is likely based on past experiences that they will screw the pooch, at least for you, when it comes to this issue it is possible they won't. It is possible that they won't include any OOC lines for the Inquisitor if they should make an appearance without our input. It is possible that despite anyone's feelings that a new player character will win us over. And it is also possible that the new antagonist will be able to put their own fresh spin on any relationship with Solas. The point is we don't know. It’s also possible a trillion dollars will suddenly appear in my account, but that doesn’t mean I should hope for it. No, looking at the evidence there is no doubt in my mind that if they do this they will fail and it will be utter garbage.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 2, 2019 15:17:09 GMT
While I do understand your reasons for being skeptical there is legions of difference between a definite and a probable. Afterall while it is likely based on past experiences that they will screw the pooch, at least for you, when it comes to this issue it is possible they won't. It is possible that they won't include any OOC lines for the Inquisitor if they should make an appearance without our input. It is possible that despite anyone's feelings that a new player character will win us over. And it is also possible that the new antagonist will be able to put their own fresh spin on any relationship with Solas. The point is we don't know. It’s also possible a trillion dollars will suddenly appear in my account, but that doesn’t mean I should hope for it. No, looking at the evidence there is no doubt in my mind that if they do this they will fail and it will be utter garbage. I agree that there's very little chance of the new game featuring the Inquisitor or their personal dynamic with Solas and doing it justice, and I'd rather they didn't make the attempt. Too many things go into making a plotline work or not work for you to know if it'll be garbage though. Don't act like Bioware has never pleasantly surprised you before. Or as if minor unexpected cash infusions never happen, to stick to the metaphor.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Apr 2, 2019 16:16:53 GMT
Here's the thing. If they did decide to bring back the Inquisitor to resolve things with Solas than I'd want them to bring back most if not all of the rest of Inquisition's cast as well. The Inquisitor to me is only as interesting as the characters they've interested with, a thought that I'm apparently not alone in believing since many people want the Inquisitor back solely because they want to resolve things with Solas instead of because of the Inquisitor just being an interesting character in of themselves.
Furthermore, if we're ignoring the whole "We need new people to handle this crisis" thing why wouldn't the Inquisitor bring back their old crew? The Inquisitor isn't Shepard in ME2, whose essentially forced by the Illusive Man to recruit a bunch of new weirdos to deal with the Collectors. They're in control of their organization and would probably want people who they can trust and who have already dealt with their trademark Bioware familial issues and whatnot. Hell, Dorian, Iron Bull and Sera have all been to Tevinter and have a vested interest in stopping Solas. Why not bring them along if were stick with the Inquisitor?
All of this is to say that I don't find the Inquisitor particularly engaging as an protag and would rather take a chance at Bioware coming up with a new one.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 16:39:58 GMT
It’s also possible a trillion dollars will suddenly appear in my account, but that doesn’t mean I should hope for it. No, looking at the evidence there is no doubt in my mind that if they do this they will fail and it will be utter garbage. I agree that there's very little chance of the new game featuring the Inquisitor or their personal dynamic with Solas and doing it justice, and I'd rather they didn't make the attempt. Too many things go into making a plotline work or not work for you to know if it'll be garbage though. Don't act like Bioware has never pleasantly surprised you before. Or as if minor unexpected cash infusions never happen, to stick to the metaphor. Not with PCs returning as NPCs they haven’t. With that they have yet to have a case where it wasn’t a complete destruction of my character. And no, we know enough where I know that if it is a new PC at best it will be a rehash with all the potential abandoned just to satisfy some arbitrary rule they set for themselves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 16:42:26 GMT
ComedicSociopathy By all means have the previous cast come back. They could be teammates or to go off your Shepard example be like the ME2 squad in ME3 where they show up as agents in certain quests to help you.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 2, 2019 17:04:28 GMT
I agree that there's very little chance of the new game featuring the Inquisitor or their personal dynamic with Solas and doing it justice, and I'd rather they didn't make the attempt. Too many things go into making a plotline work or not work for you to know if it'll be garbage though. Don't act like Bioware has never pleasantly surprised you before. Or as if minor unexpected cash infusions never happen, to stick to the metaphor. Not with PCs returning as NPCs they haven’t. With that they have yet to have a case where it wasn’t a complete destruction of my character. And no, we know enough where I know that if it is a new PC at best it will be a rehash with all the potential abandoned just to satisfy some arbitrary rule they set for themselves. First time for everything. But yeah, I think it's really really unlikely for them to make the attempt. I was satisfied with how they handled Hawke, at least Aggressive Hawke which is the only one I've seen in DAI, but the Inquisitor is a more customizable character with much stronger and better defined principles throughout the game, and it'd be stupid for Bioware to attempt to feature them as an NPC. Even if they did though, it wouldn't have to ruin everything. As for the staying with a PC or moving on to a new one dilemma, I'm in the complete opposite camp from you. I finish every game and every character's journey almost twitching to get started on another one with a fresh and cool character concept I want to try out no matter how great the current one is. I can barely concentrate during the final few quests because I can't stop thinking about what and how I want to play next. What new themes I want to play on that interest me at the moment, what archetypes I want to illustrate and subvert... *rocks back and forth like a kid at Christmas* Screw "stale" or "rehashed", I have people I need to be, and who deserve to live! Fresh main characters in every new game forever, please and thank you. Wouldn't mind the option of fresh characters for DLCs either, a la Origins' downloadable content. You can't think of any awesome and interesting Tevinter guy or gal you'd really like a crack at playing, given the chance? Maybe try to put some thought into it, it'd help you feel more excited about the game. This thread is full of cool character concepts, and I have about a dozen I'd pitch to anyone who needs help, even though my tastes clearly aren't universal.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 17:08:38 GMT
Not with PCs returning as NPCs they haven’t. With that they have yet to have a case where it wasn’t a complete destruction of my character. And no, we know enough where I know that if it is a new PC at best it will be a rehash with all the potential abandoned just to satisfy some arbitrary rule they set for themselves. First time for everything. But yeah, I think it's really really unlikely for them to make the attempt. I was satisfied with how they handled Hawke, at least Aggressive Hawke which is the only one I've seen in DAI, but the Inquisitor is a more customizable character with much stronger and better defined principles throughout the game, and it'd be stupid for Bioware to attempt to feature them as an NPC. Even if they did though, it wouldn't have to ruin everything. As for the staying with a PC or moving on to a new one, I'm in the complete opposite camp from you. I finish every game and every character's journey almost twitching to get started on another one with a fresh and cool character concept I want to try out. I can barely concentrate during the final few quests because I can't stop thinking about what and how I want to play next. What new themes I want to play on, what archetypes I want to illustrate and subvert now. Fresh main characters in every new game forever, please and thank you. Wouldn't mind the option of fresh characters for DLCs either, a la Origins' downloadable content. You can't think of any awesome and interesting Tevinter guy or gal you'd really like a crack at playing, given the chance? I would’ve been fine playing as a new protagonist in DA4 if they left things the way they were in the vanilla game. But then Trespasser happened and connected the Inquisitor to this new plot. If we don’t play as them, there is nothing they can do that won’t ruin the character and DAI, which sucks since they were my favorite BioWare profane game, as well as the new game itself.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 2, 2019 17:26:31 GMT
I would’ve been fine playing as a new protagonist in DA4 if they left things the way they were in the vanilla game. But then Trespasser happened and connected the Inquisitor to this new plot. If we don’t play as them, there is nothing they can do that won’t ruin the character and DAI, which sucks since they were my favorite BioWare profane game, as well as the new game itself. Bah, that's an overstatement. It's not going to be that bad on either of those counts, almost no matter how they handle it.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Apr 2, 2019 17:39:33 GMT
I would’ve been fine playing as a new protagonist in DA4 if they left things the way they were in the vanilla game. But then Trespasser happened and connected the Inquisitor to this new plot. If we don’t play as them, there is nothing they can do that won’t ruin the character and DAI, which sucks since they were my favorite BioWare profane game, as well as the new game itself. I really don´t care about the Inquisitor. I found him/her boring and i wish we have a fresh start with a new hero. For me it isn´t really that important who stop Solas. Someone will stop him. So who cares who done this? I am really tired of the destroy the world story. We all know that Solas can´t win like the Archdemon and Corypheus.
So whats the point of telling this story over and over again?
Last but not least it would be awful if Dorian and Solas gets tons of romance content with the Inquisitor but someone like Iron Bull, who can be died and therefore is almost impossible to be a major character or even a companion again, gets very little romance scenes with the Inquisitor.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 17:39:39 GMT
I would’ve been fine playing as a new protagonist in DA4 if they left things the way they were in the vanilla game. But then Trespasser happened and connected the Inquisitor to this new plot. If we don’t play as them, there is nothing they can do that won’t ruin the character and DAI, which sucks since they were my favorite BioWare profane game, as well as the new game itself. Bah, that's an overstatement. It's not going to be that bad on either of those counts, almost no matter how they handle it. It will for me. You’re free to feel differently but don’t dismiss mine.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 2, 2019 18:04:28 GMT
Bah, that's an overstatement. It's not going to be that bad on either of those counts, almost no matter how they handle it. It will for me. You’re free to feel differently but don’t dismiss mine. You mean you think it will. But fair enough.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 18:04:56 GMT
It will for me. You’re free to feel differently but don’t dismiss mine. You mean you think it will. But fair enough. No, I mean I know it will.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 2, 2019 18:51:16 GMT
Yeah, I'm with Hanako on this, while being on the opposite side of the issue. If I can make the blanket declaration that from my perspective there's absolutely no way that Bioware can make an Inquisitor-lead DA4 interesting or engaging to me, and that I'll outright refuse to buy or play the game if it doesn't have a new protagonist, then they can say the same for the opposite scenario.
One person's trash is another's treasure, after all.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 2, 2019 19:10:17 GMT
Yeah, I'm with Hanako on this, while being on the opposite side of the issue. If I can make the blanket declaration that from my perspective there's absolutely no way that Bioware can make an Inquisitor-lead DA4 interesting or engaging to me, and that I'll outright refuse to buy or play the game if it doesn't have a new protagonist, then they can say the same for the opposite scenario. One person's trash is another's treasure, after all. the question is... Did you like DAI? Given your post probably not but it is worth it for the conversation we are having.
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