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Post by Sandetiger on May 7, 2024 22:34:28 GMT
No mention of BioWare or Dragon Age in today's Conference Call... Well, not from EA at least. But there were several questions about it that were sidestepped, and we have the bottom text from that one slide that says "...and one owned IP title, which is not included in the above table. We expect to provide more details on timing at a later date." I saw some people zeroing in on the "Partner" game in Q4, but it bears reminding that EA outright owns BioWare and the Dragon Age IP, so if it's one of the two unannounced games, it's the owned IP that is anticipated to have more details at a later date. A later date... like... a full reveal in the summer... Here's the full report: ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2024/Electronic-Arts-Reports-Q4-and-FY24-Results/default.aspxAnd where you can access slides and etc: ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxTranscripts will soon be available here: ir.ea.com/financial-information/quarterly-results/default.aspxIf we really want to stretch it, the following quote could be alluding to DA:D despite the "lighter" release schedule: Of interest, the fiscal year for EA (as has been shared here before, but for quick reference/reminders/edification for new people who don't know) begins every year in April and ends every year in March of the following calendar year. The quarterly breakdowns are as follows: Q1: April 1st - June 30th Q2: July 1st - Sept 30th Q3: Oct 1st - Dec 31st Q4: Jan 1st - Mar 31st One interesting thing about EA these days (which I've seen pointed out in several places) is that as a publishing company it tends to not double up on releases in months. If this holds true, then for the Fiscal Year 2025 (Apr 1st 2024 - March 31st 2025)-- Tales of Kenzera (Apr 23 2024) EA Sports F1 24 (May 31 2024) EA Sports College Football 25 (July 9 2024) Madden 2025 (August 16 2024) EA Sports FC 25 (September 27 2024) EA Sports NHL 25 (October 8 2024) That leaves June 2024, November 2024, December 2024, January 2025, February 2025, and March 2025 unclaimed. We can pretty much rule out June 2024 for DA:D for pretty obvious reasons, leaving us with Q3 (November, December 2024) and Q4 (January, February, and March 2025) as possible release dates. But: 1 of those partner games is slated for release in Q4 as well, so we can rule out 33% of Q4 (Jan-March 2025) for DA:D. 50/50 chance of Q3 vs Q4, as it currently stands. November is more likely to me than December, just based on BioWare's own release history -- and Q4 imo is only gonna happen it for some reason the dev schedule slips. I personally didn't expect anything except "yes it is coming out this fiscal year" and that's ultimately what I got, so I am satisfied lol
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Post by celestielf on May 7, 2024 22:55:23 GMT
Summer 2024 ... we have until September at the latest to find out if "the end is near". I think there are more chances that the reveal happens around July and July then September, to be honest, given the usual cycle of summer reveals, and the possibility to showcase the game (if in a good state) at some events. If the reveal happens in September, I think that it's unlikely the game is going to be released this year. I get aiming for a short development cycle, and it can be successful, but they also have to face the reality of the disengagement from the franchise after 10 years of wait. Certain circles of the fandom are not disengaged, however absurd that seems. Most of the fans I've followed on various social media for the past decade come flocking back every time we get a scrap (just like I do, obviously. Granted, I tend to follow other lore-obsessed people, so not your average fan I suppose). However, with regard to new people whose first crpg was BG3 or something, *maybe* a longer marketing campaign would be useful? Or maybe not. The internet doesn't have the longest attention span these days. I'm going to put on my clown makeup and hope it will be Nov or Dec of this year.
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Post by Sartoz on May 7, 2024 23:01:14 GMT
No mention of BioWare or Dragon Age in today's Conference Call... Well, not from EA at least. But there were several questions about it that were sidestepped, and we have the bottom text from that one slide that says "...and one owned IP title, which is not included in the above table. We expect to provide more details on timing at a later date." I saw some people zeroing in on the "Partner" game in Q4, but it bears reminding that EA outright owns BioWare and the Dragon Age IP, so if it's one of the two unannounced games, it's the owned IP that is anticipated to have more details at a later date. A later date... like... a full reveal in the summer... Here's the full report: ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2024/Electronic-Arts-Reports-Q4-and-FY24-Results/default.aspxAnd where you can access slides and etc: ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxTranscripts will soon be available here: ir.ea.com/financial-information/quarterly-results/default.aspxIf we really want to stretch it, the following quote could be alluding to DA:D despite the "lighter" release schedule: Of interest, the fiscal year for EA (as has been shared here before, but for quick reference/reminders/edification for new people who don't know) begins every year in April and ends every year in March of the following calendar year. The quarterly breakdowns are as follows: Q1: April 1st - June 30th Q2: July 1st - Sept 30th Q3: Oct 1st - Dec 31st Q4: Jan 1st - Mar 31st One interesting thing about EA these days (which I've seen pointed out in several places) is that as a publishing company it tends to not double up on releases in months. If this holds true, then for the Fiscal Year 2025 (Apr 1st 2024 - March 31st 2025)-- Tales of Kenzera (Apr 23 2024) EA Sports F1 24 (May 31 2024) EA Sports College Football 25 (July 9 2024) Madden 2025 (August 16 2024) EA Sports FC 25 (September 27 2024) EA Sports NHL 25 (October 8 2024) That leaves June 2024, November 2024, December 2024, January 2025, February 2025, and March 2025 unclaimed. We can pretty much rule out June 2024 for DA:D for pretty obvious reasons, leaving us with Q3 (November, December 2024) and Q4 (January, February, and March 2025) as possible release dates. But: 1 of those partner games is slated for release in Q4 as well, so we can rule out 33% of Q4 (Jan-March 2025) for DA:D. 50/50 chance of Q3 vs Q4, as it currently stands. November is more likely to me than December, just based on BioWare's own release history -- and Q4 imo is only gonna happen it for some reason the dev schedule slips. I personally didn't expect anything except "yes it is coming out this fiscal year" and that's ultimately what I got, so I am satisfied lol
Good analysis.
Silence from No-News-Bio is the ordre du jour until the Big Bang Reveal which includes the launch date (my understanding). This event is expected to give us a DA4 trailer.... the usual 57 secs? .... possibly another one before launch.
My interest is the game's early access, if there is one. A week prior to launch?
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Post by The Elder King on May 7, 2024 23:05:39 GMT
I think there are more chances that the reveal happens around July and July then September, to be honest, given the usual cycle of summer reveals, and the possibility to showcase the game (if in a good state) at some events. If the reveal happens in September, I think that it's unlikely the game is going to be released this year. I get aiming for a short development cycle, and it can be successful, but they also have to face the reality of the disengagement from the franchise after 10 years of wait. Certain circles of the fandom are not disengaged, however absurd that seems. Most of the fans I've followed on various social media for the past decade come flocking back every time we get a scrap (just like I do, obviously. Granted, I tend to follow other lore-obsessed people, so not your average fan I suppose). However, with regard to new people whose first crpg was BG3 or something, *maybe* a longer marketing campaign would be useful? Or maybe not. The internet doesn't have the longest attention span these days. I'm going to put on my clown makeup and hope it will be Nov or Dec of this year. I'm not saying that every fan of Dragon Age isn't interested anymore, but there are definitely a part that is wary or not interested due to the the time that passed and all the issues Bioware had. Although I was more referring to the average player/fan of Bioware games. I think a short marketing campaign can work, but not one that is 2-3 months short, with the reveal happening in September and the release in November-December. Especially considering EA's expectations (hopefully not too ludicrous), they do need attract new players, and I don't think they'd be able to do in the way they need in 2-3 months. A reveal in July-July and release in November would still count as a short marketing campaign, in my opinion. And as I said earlier, I do think there are good chances that they've been at least aiming for November, even if they'll end up releasing the game early next year, because of special anniversaries of this year.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 7, 2024 23:06:37 GMT
Ah well, here's to another wait... See you all for Summer Game's Fest! (I mean, who am I kidding? I've checked in on the BioWare forums in various forms at least daily since 2009, I'm not going anywhere between now and then.)
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Post by The Elder King on May 7, 2024 23:07:31 GMT
Well, not from EA at least. But there were several questions about it that were sidestepped, and we have the bottom text from that one slide that says "...and one owned IP title, which is not included in the above table. We expect to provide more details on timing at a later date." I saw some people zeroing in on the "Partner" game in Q4, but it bears reminding that EA outright owns BioWare and the Dragon Age IP, so if it's one of the two unannounced games, it's the owned IP that is anticipated to have more details at a later date. A later date... like... a full reveal in the summer... Here's the full report: ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2024/Electronic-Arts-Reports-Q4-and-FY24-Results/default.aspxAnd where you can access slides and etc: ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxTranscripts will soon be available here: ir.ea.com/financial-information/quarterly-results/default.aspxIf we really want to stretch it, the following quote could be alluding to DA:D despite the "lighter" release schedule: Of interest, the fiscal year for EA (as has been shared here before, but for quick reference/reminders/edification for new people who don't know) begins every year in April and ends every year in March of the following calendar year. The quarterly breakdowns are as follows: Q1: April 1st - June 30th Q2: July 1st - Sept 30th Q3: Oct 1st - Dec 31st Q4: Jan 1st - Mar 31st One interesting thing about EA these days (which I've seen pointed out in several places) is that as a publishing company it tends to not double up on releases in months. If this holds true, then for the Fiscal Year 2025 (Apr 1st 2024 - March 31st 2025)-- Tales of Kenzera (Apr 23 2024) EA Sports F1 24 (May 31 2024) EA Sports College Football 25 (July 9 2024) Madden 2025 (August 16 2024) EA Sports FC 25 (September 27 2024) EA Sports NHL 25 (October 8 2024) That leaves June 2024, November 2024, December 2024, January 2025, February 2025, and March 2025 unclaimed. We can pretty much rule out June 2024 for DA:D for pretty obvious reasons, leaving us with Q3 (November, December 2024) and Q4 (January, February, and March 2025) as possible release dates. But: 1 of those partner games is slated for release in Q4 as well, so we can rule out 33% of Q4 (Jan-March 2025) for DA:D. 50/50 chance of Q3 vs Q4, as it currently stands. November is more likely to me than December, just based on BioWare's own release history -- and Q4 imo is only gonna happen it for some reason the dev schedule slips. I personally didn't expect anything except "yes it is coming out this fiscal year" and that's ultimately what I got, so I am satisfied lol
Good analysis.
Silence from No-News-Bio is the ordre du jour until the Big Bang Reveal which includes the launch date (my understanding). This event is expected to give us a DA4 trailer.... the usual 57 secs? .... possibly another one before launch.
My interest is the game's early access, if there is one. A week prior to launch?
I doubt they're going to release only two trailers before launch, it'd be an absolutely insane decision, marketing-wise. I do get having low expectations, but I think it'd be a lackluster reveal even for the most pessimistic person if they just show a 1-minute trailer.
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Post by luketrevelyan on May 7, 2024 23:15:26 GMT
I'm not sure why people are even disappointed. The most we were ever going to learn from the call is a targeted quarter for Dreadwolf. And we already know there is a summer reveal planned that is perhaps as soon as a month away with Summer Game Fest. We've waited all these years but we are so close to the fun part where the marketing starts.
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Post by SwobyJ on May 7, 2024 23:15:52 GMT
I don't take romance options as 100% no, but it definitely turns it from a maybe-yes to a maybe-no in my mind. I do because Bioware made a clear statement in the past about this and second DAD is the 4th maingame in the series who never have a returning romance companion. So Sera is out. If we don´t have the statement about romances no question this won´t be Sera it would be Dorian who is returning. Sure but the main problem with Cole ist that he can be a spirit or a human. If Cole returns as companion Bioware have to ignore this and retcon him because i highly doubt that they wrote for both human and spirit Cole the same dialogues. I think that DAD will break this tradition. Of course if Varric isn´t returning. Lets hope not By the way DAI would have broken this tradition already if Bioware hadn´t cancelled the DA 2 Addon Exalted March in which they had killed Varric.
Remember this DAI concept art? No Varric and Blackwall has been a dwarf.
Harding is a good choice for a normal (for some boring) character which has to deal with stuff which are way bigger than herself. Also 11 years have passed since DAI so who knows what happened to Harding offscreen?
Edit:Also there obviously some jokes about some of the DAI areas like the Hinterlands in DAD. And is there any better person to tell to jokes than the one who has always scouted those areas?
Ok chill a bit, I'm not meaning for this to be a back and forth debate about this, but just a way to share my thoughts and feelings.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 7, 2024 23:26:19 GMT
I can't fucking take it anymore I just want one companion reveal already! I wish BioWare would do a Smash bros thing were they revealed a new companion once every few weeks argh!
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Post by SwobyJ on May 7, 2024 23:39:36 GMT
I can't fucking take it anymore I just want one companion reveal already! I wish BioWare would do a Smash bros thing were they revealed a new companion once every few weeks argh! We may very well get this later in Summer-Fall, no? Its PROBABLY SOON, one way or another. Just not uh, weeks soon.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 7, 2024 23:54:28 GMT
I'm not sure why people are even disappointed. The most we were ever going to learn from the call is a targeted quarter for Dreadwolf. And we already know there is a summer reveal planned that is perhaps as soon as a month away with Summer Game Fest. We've waited all these years but we are so close to the fun part where the marketing starts. Unbridled, untempered, unchecked, unrealistic expectations? iunno lol I was fine with the teensy weensy crumb we got.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 7, 2024 23:56:47 GMT
I'm not sure why people are even disappointed. The most we were ever going to learn from the call is a targeted quarter for Dreadwolf. And we already know there is a summer reveal planned that is perhaps as soon as a month away with Summer Game Fest. We've waited all these years but we are so close to the fun part where the marketing starts. Given the (probable) brevity of the marketing campaign, I'm expecting we'll get a firehose of information as soon as they give us a trailer and release date. Really just want to get some idea of who the player character is this time around - where we come from as well as what we'll be doing - plus a few companions and the mage specialisations. It's weird that I've known for a whole decade what class and race I'll be playing in this game. (My 'canon' Warden was a rogue archer, Hawke was a two-handed warrior and the Inquisitor a dual dagger rogue, so it's really time for a mage in that world state.) The only time I DIDN'T check the forums daily was the three months before DAI released because I decided to put myself on an information diet rather than devouring every possible spoiler. Weird to think I might be temporarily gone from here by August, after all this time.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on May 8, 2024 0:04:40 GMT
I'm not sure why people are even disappointed. The most we were ever going to learn from the call is a targeted quarter for Dreadwolf. And we already know there is a summer reveal planned that is perhaps as soon as a month away with Summer Game Fest. We've waited all these years but we are so close to the fun part where the marketing starts. Unbridled, untempered, unchecked, unrealistic expectations? iunno lol I was fine with the teensy weensy crumb we got. I hardly think expecting a crumb was "unrealistic" after 10 years and many false starts. At this point crumbs are not good enough to many and they are not necessarily being childish after the wait of a decade.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 8, 2024 0:17:29 GMT
Unbridled, untempered, unchecked, unrealistic expectations? iunno lol I was fine with the teensy weensy crumb we got. I hardly think expecting a crumb was "unrealistic" after 10 years and many false starts. At this point crumbs are not good enough to many and they are not necessarily being childish after the wait of a decade. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. We got a crumb, which I said we got, which was a realistic expectation, which I said was such, which is therefore not unrealistic like you are saying... I am apparently saying is? Huh? [squints] Expecting anything more than a crumb at this stage was, imo, unrealistic given the recent history of secrecy from both EA and BioWare and the fact that they straight up told us they were saving the release date for Summer 2024 when they do the big reveal. If people are disappointed that we didn't get more than an allusion to DA:D in the FY25 call and a subsequent confirmation that the allusion was in fact DA:D by an industry insider, that's fine, I get it, I've been waiting for a decade too and would love more stuff, but flippancy aside, this is exactly what I expected and I tempered my expectations accordingly.
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Post by githcheater on May 8, 2024 0:55:42 GMT
Summer 2024 ... we have until September at the latest to find out if "the end is near". I think there are more chances that the reveal happens around July and July then September, to be honest, given the usual cycle of summer reveals, and the possibility to showcase the game (if in a good state) at some events. If the reveal happens in September, I think that it's unlikely the game is going to be released this year. I get aiming for a short development cycle, and it can be successful, but they also have to face the reality of the disengagement from the franchise after 10 years of wait. If the reveal occurs in September (before the equinox is still astrological summer), I am guessing that the release date will be in 2025 before the March 2025 equinox.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 8, 2024 1:04:47 GMT
If the reveal occurs in September (before the equinox is still astrological summer), I am guessing that the release date will be in 2025 before the March 2025 equinox. I just feel like that is super unlikely. Might be copium, but it also just... doesn't feel in line with BioWare and EA trends, y'know?
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Post by githcheater on May 8, 2024 1:12:48 GMT
If the reveal occurs in September (before the equinox is still astrological summer), I am guessing that the release date will be in 2025 before the March 2025 equinox. I just feel like that is super unlikely. Might be copium, but it also just... doesn't feel in line with BioWare and EA trends, y'know? I am tempering my expectations to September to avoid thinking the worst (i.e. development hell). I am hoping for a June or July announcement for a November release, but I am hedging my bets for an early 2025 release in case the expected release date slips slightly.
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I would've played the shit out of DA:MN
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Post by colfoley on May 8, 2024 3:37:58 GMT
No mention of BioWare or Dragon Age in today's Conference Call... Well, not from EA at least. But there were several questions about it that were sidestepped, and we have the bottom text from that one slide that says "...and one owned IP title, which is not included in the above table. We expect to provide more details on timing at a later date." I saw some people zeroing in on the "Partner" game in Q4, but it bears reminding that EA outright owns BioWare and the Dragon Age IP, so if it's one of the two unannounced games, it's the owned IP that is anticipated to have more details at a later date. A later date... like... a full reveal in the summer... Here's the full report: ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2024/Electronic-Arts-Reports-Q4-and-FY24-Results/default.aspxAnd where you can access slides and etc: ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxTranscripts will soon be available here: ir.ea.com/financial-information/quarterly-results/default.aspxIf we really want to stretch it, the following quote could be alluding to DA:D despite the "lighter" release schedule: Of interest, the fiscal year for EA (as has been shared here before, but for quick reference/reminders/edification for new people who don't know) begins every year in April and ends every year in March of the following calendar year. The quarterly breakdowns are as follows: Q1: April 1st - June 30th Q2: July 1st - Sept 30th Q3: Oct 1st - Dec 31st Q4: Jan 1st - Mar 31st One interesting thing about EA these days (which I've seen pointed out in several places) is that as a publishing company it tends to not double up on releases in months. If this holds true, then for the Fiscal Year 2025 (Apr 1st 2024 - March 31st 2025)-- Tales of Kenzera (Apr 23 2024) EA Sports F1 24 (May 31 2024) EA Sports College Football 25 (July 9 2024) Madden 2025 (August 16 2024) EA Sports FC 25 (September 27 2024) EA Sports NHL 25 (October 8 2024) That leaves June 2024, November 2024, December 2024, January 2025, February 2025, and March 2025 unclaimed. We can pretty much rule out June 2024 for DA:D for pretty obvious reasons, leaving us with Q3 (November, December 2024) and Q4 (January, February, and March 2025) as possible release dates. But: 1 of those partner games is slated for release in Q4 as well, so we can rule out 33% of Q4 (Jan-March 2025) for DA:D. 50/50 chance of Q3 vs Q4, as it currently stands. November is more likely to me than December, just based on BioWare's own release history -- and Q4 imo is only gonna happen it for some reason the dev schedule slips. I personally didn't expect anything except "yes it is coming out this fiscal year" and that's ultimately what I got, so I am satisfied lol Good eye and good analysis and good...putting it all in perspective and in one place. I just think it is also unlikely that EA will want to release two games in the same month, at the very least, especially since EA sports...like it or not...is still their money maker. I mean it would be weird enough to do anything within a month of each other give some people the chance to recharge their wallets but on the other hand there is a lot of momentum this month if, and this is now looking more likely in this regard, we get the game for November because that means they'll release four games four months in a row. Especially since there is some difference between these games to catering to different markets as well. Though nominally three of them are things I'd be interested in even if I am likely to just pick up one.
Good analysis.
Silence from No-News-Bio is the ordre du jour until the Big Bang Reveal which includes the launch date (my understanding). This event is expected to give us a DA4 trailer.... the usual 57 secs? .... possibly another one before launch.
My interest is the game's early access, if there is one. A week prior to launch?
I doubt they're going to release only two trailers before launch, it'd be an absolutely insane decision, marketing-wise. I do get having low expectations, but I think it'd be a lackluster reveal even for the most pessimistic person if they just show a 1-minute trailer. I am at least reasonably sure that Jedi Survivor only got like 3 trailers so it is possible. Granted the thing with that is that A. I think EA would be a lot more confident with JS then they would be with Dreadwolf and B. there might a lot more of them TO show off and C. I do wonder if EA thought it was a mistake to go that soft on a marketing campaign. Even still we have seen a lot of games I think recently not do that much for their marketing because games and marketing seem to be hard things to hit. You don't really get good marketing going unless people see *actual* gameplay and not trailers...more watching lets players and then demo the game rather then trailers. So it is possible we might only get a few actual trailers/ demos and they'll leave the rest up to gaming journalists and lets players to feature the game. Unbridled, untempered, unchecked, unrealistic expectations? iunno lol I was fine with the teensy weensy crumb we got. I hardly think expecting a crumb was "unrealistic" after 10 years and many false starts. At this point crumbs are not good enough to many and they are not necessarily being childish after the wait of a decade. Yeah I get it. This was me last year for a second but then just went through all the arguments that I've had the last few years here and they still apply. Its frustrating, sure, but in the end they gotta do what they gotta do and in the end based on the way things were going this was an easily to predict outcome. Breadcrumbs or not at least we got *something*. Now we just have to wait another few weeks, maybe a month or two, to find out the answer to...well most of our questions lol.
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Post by The Elder King on May 8, 2024 4:02:55 GMT
I doubt they're going to release only two trailers before launch, it'd be an absolutely insane decision, marketing-wise. I do get having low expectations, but I think it'd be a lackluster reveal even for the most pessimistic person if they just show a 1-minute trailer. I am at least reasonably sure that Jedi Survivor only got like 3 trailers so it is possible. Granted the thing with that is that A. I think EA would be a lot more confident with JS then they would be with Dreadwolf and B. there might a lot more of them TO show off and C. I do wonder if EA thought it was a mistake to go that soft on a marketing campaign. Even still we have seen a lot of games I think recently not do that much for their marketing because games and marketing seem to be hard things to hit. You don't really get good marketing going unless people see *actual* gameplay and not trailers...more watching lets players and then demo the game rather then trailers. So it is possible we might only get a few actual trailers/ demos and they'll leave the rest up to gaming journalists and lets players to feature the game. I checked, and it had 5 trailers, although the last one was not really a game trailer, but one showcasing Cameron Monaghan and Mark Hamill. The first of the other 4 was called a teaser, but they were all longer then 1 minute, and all made with in-game scenes from the game. I don't think the ones we got so far from Dreadwolf could be put in the same category of those, so I'd expect at least three trailers. I'd also think that, for the full reveal and beyond, they might showcase the game like, for example, they did with Inquisition during the summer before the reveal; or in any case, dropping more informations on the game on the site. Aside of the different confidence EA might have had in JS then it might have now in Dreadwolf (considering the recent pasts of the software houses, and the fact that JS was coming out quite close to its prequel, it seems likely), the latter also have to show more compared to the former: from a very different combat system to companions, I do think that they'd need to show quite a bit. Whether they'll do through their own game footage beyond trailers, or using a demos or previews/hands on from gaming journalists, I don't think they'd limit themselves to just a couple trailers. Especially if their expectations, sales wise, are quite high.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 8, 2024 4:13:32 GMT
Good eye and good analysis and good...putting it all in perspective and in one place. I just think it is also unlikely that EA will want to release two games in the same month, at the very least, especially since EA sports...like it or not...is still their money maker. I mean it would be weird enough to do anything within a month of each other give some people the chance to recharge their wallets but on the other hand there is a lot of momentum this month if, and this is now looking more likely in this regard, we get the game for November because that means they'll release four games four months in a row. Especially since there is some difference between these games to catering to different markets as well. Though nominally three of them are things I'd be interested in even if I am likely to just pick up one. Well and the other thing to apply here is that Mark Darrah released a video last year about EA/BioWare and how they tend to do things from a FY standpoint. Some of the salient points: - Games tend to sell poorly immediately post xmas / new years, which for EA is Q4, and so they don't like to release in Q4 if they can help it
- Q1 (April 1st - June 30th) for EA is what he calls "Dads and Grads" -- people looking to pick something up for the summer, difficult to get an org to spend money on marketing tho bc of the crossover boundary between fiscal years, although Darrah acknowledges that this hasn't always been a barrier and some recent titles have successfully launched in Q1.
- Q2 (July 1st - Sept 30th) is the EA sports time and so they try to avoid other titles during this timeframe.
- Q3 (Oct 1st - Dec 31st) has historically been a good time to release large non-sports titles because it doesn't compete with sports titles and this is the leadup to the holiday spending, but can be a bit fraught the further into Nov/Dec you get once people have gotten the bulk of their gift spending out of the way, although this is less of an issue with gift cards and digital sales these days.
- "Christmas isn't quite as important as it used to be but I do still think that Christmas is your best quarter and that April May June is your second best quarter with the first quarter in the calendar year and that middle quarter in the summer having more problems than the other two depending on what size of game you are."
If this is still in any way accurate, Q3 is ideal for EA and for the type of game BioWare is.
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Post by colfoley on May 8, 2024 4:15:32 GMT
I am at least reasonably sure that Jedi Survivor only got like 3 trailers so it is possible. Granted the thing with that is that A. I think EA would be a lot more confident with JS then they would be with Dreadwolf and B. there might a lot more of them TO show off and C. I do wonder if EA thought it was a mistake to go that soft on a marketing campaign. Even still we have seen a lot of games I think recently not do that much for their marketing because games and marketing seem to be hard things to hit. You don't really get good marketing going unless people see *actual* gameplay and not trailers...more watching lets players and then demo the game rather then trailers. So it is possible we might only get a few actual trailers/ demos and they'll leave the rest up to gaming journalists and lets players to feature the game. I checked, and it had 5 trailers, although the last one was not really a game trailer, but one showcasing Cameron Monaghan and Mark Hamill. The first of the other 4 was called a teaser, but they were all longer then 1 minute, and all made with in-game scenes from the game. I don't think the ones we got so far from Dreadwolf could be put in the same category of those, so I'd expect at least three trailers. I'd also think that, for the full reveal and beyond, they might showcase the game like, for example, they did with Inquisition during the summer before the reveal; or in any case, dropping more informations on the game on the site. Aside of the different confidence EA might have had in JS then it might have now in Dreadwolf (considering the recent pasts of the software houses, and the fact that JS was coming out quite close to its prequel, it seems likely), the latter also have to show more compared to the former: from a very different combat system to companions, I do think that they'd need to show quite a bit. Whether they'll do through their own game footage beyond trailers, or using a demos or previews/hands on from gaming journalists, I don't think they'd limit themselves to just a couple trailers. Especially if their expectations, sales wise, are quite high. Your post does prove the point on what they want to do. I'm not convinced the combat system is going to be that different from Inquisition at least, but then they do need trailers/ showcases to help answer that question. As for where we are though I do think you are right. We've already basically had almost as many trailers for Dreadwolf as they did for Jedi Survivor in its entierty but Thedas Calls, the Solas trailer, the Game Awards trailer number 2, and the Dread Wolf Rises trailer all...as I've mentioned...all basically count as the first trailer or at most the first two trailers from DAI, the Fires Above and the one with the Cello. And then we've had a behind the scenes thing which also barely counts. From what I hope to see though from them? You are right. I really think it would behoove them to, maybe during the big reveal maybe later, do two seperate trailers/ demos showing off the combat mechanics and then another one showing off the RP mechanics. Then from there unless they do it for the RP show case a show case on the character creator. From there and following on from Inquisition I would expect maybe one more trailer about an misslaneous mechanics (like crafting?) and then a small trailer based on each companion, though for Inquisition they only showed off a few of them. Then a story trailer, a trailer focussing on the protagonist/ antagonist(s) like with DAI, then the launch trailer. And keep in mind a lot of this could be combined or just ignored and we don't know how many companions we're going to get. Though on the flip side we have diminishing returns because the more they do the more money it will cost and as I mentioned some of this just might not be that effective to sell games.
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Post by The Elder King on May 8, 2024 4:28:43 GMT
I checked, and it had 5 trailers, although the last one was not really a game trailer, but one showcasing Cameron Monaghan and Mark Hamill. The first of the other 4 was called a teaser, but they were all longer then 1 minute, and all made with in-game scenes from the game. I don't think the ones we got so far from Dreadwolf could be put in the same category of those, so I'd expect at least three trailers. I'd also think that, for the full reveal and beyond, they might showcase the game like, for example, they did with Inquisition during the summer before the reveal; or in any case, dropping more informations on the game on the site. Aside of the different confidence EA might have had in JS then it might have now in Dreadwolf (considering the recent pasts of the software houses, and the fact that JS was coming out quite close to its prequel, it seems likely), the latter also have to show more compared to the former: from a very different combat system to companions, I do think that they'd need to show quite a bit. Whether they'll do through their own game footage beyond trailers, or using a demos or previews/hands on from gaming journalists, I don't think they'd limit themselves to just a couple trailers. Especially if their expectations, sales wise, are quite high. Your post does prove the point on what they want to do. I'm not convinced the combat system is going to be that different from Inquisition at least, but then they do need trailers/ showcases to help answer that question. As for where we are though I do think you are right. We've already basically had almost as many trailers for Dreadwolf as they did for Jedi Survivor in its entierty but Thedas Calls, the Solas trailer, the Game Awards trailer number 2, and the Dread Wolf Rises trailer all...as I've mentioned...all basically count as the first trailer or at most the first two trailers from DAI, the Fires Above and the one with the Cello. And then we've had a behind the scenes thing which also barely counts. From what I hope to see though from them? You are right. I really think it would behoove them to, maybe during the big reveal maybe later, do two seperate trailers/ demos showing off the combat mechanics and then another one showing off the RP mechanics. Then from there unless they do it for the RP show case a show case on the character creator. From there and following on from Inquisition I would expect maybe one more trailer about an misslaneous mechanics (like crafting?) and then a small trailer based on each companion, though for Inquisition they only showed off a few of them. Then a story trailer, a trailer focussing on the protagonist/ antagonist(s) like with DAI, then the launch trailer. And keep in mind a lot of this could be combined or just ignored and we don't know how many companions we're going to get. Though on the flip side we have diminishing returns because the more they do the more money it will cost and as I mentioned some of this just might not be that effective to sell games. Unless the leakers have fooled us, the combat system seems to be centered on one character, in the sense that you can't control the rest the party, and is not fully action without the possibility to pause in combat. I'd say those are big changes. Yes, I do think the teasers we got could be compared to what we got with the Fires Above, although in the latter we did see some important characters from the game. Aside of Solas, which we already knew we'd have gotten, we haven't really see anyone else. And I think they can't really be compared with JS's trailers because those were all, even the teasers, made with scenes from the game. I think we might get less companions overall then Inquisition, and I do think it's not a bad idea to keep some of them secret. I do get what you're saying about diminishing return, although you'd still invest money to showcase the game through hands-on from journalists. Either way, I think they need to showcase the game more then a couple trailers do get what they need from Dreadwolf, sales wise. I do think it'd be weird to highlight last year this year's presentation and then just drop a trailer, so I do expect something at the same time of the 'reveal' trailer, although I'm not sure if it'll be about mechanics or story. But we'll see.
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Post by colfoley on May 8, 2024 4:36:33 GMT
Your post does prove the point on what they want to do. I'm not convinced the combat system is going to be that different from Inquisition at least, but then they do need trailers/ showcases to help answer that question. As for where we are though I do think you are right. We've already basically had almost as many trailers for Dreadwolf as they did for Jedi Survivor in its entierty but Thedas Calls, the Solas trailer, the Game Awards trailer number 2, and the Dread Wolf Rises trailer all...as I've mentioned...all basically count as the first trailer or at most the first two trailers from DAI, the Fires Above and the one with the Cello. And then we've had a behind the scenes thing which also barely counts. From what I hope to see though from them? You are right. I really think it would behoove them to, maybe during the big reveal maybe later, do two seperate trailers/ demos showing off the combat mechanics and then another one showing off the RP mechanics. Then from there unless they do it for the RP show case a show case on the character creator. From there and following on from Inquisition I would expect maybe one more trailer about an misslaneous mechanics (like crafting?) and then a small trailer based on each companion, though for Inquisition they only showed off a few of them. Then a story trailer, a trailer focussing on the protagonist/ antagonist(s) like with DAI, then the launch trailer. And keep in mind a lot of this could be combined or just ignored and we don't know how many companions we're going to get. Though on the flip side we have diminishing returns because the more they do the more money it will cost and as I mentioned some of this just might not be that effective to sell games. Unless the leakers have fooled us, the combat system seems to be centered on one character, in the sense that you can't control the rest the party, and is not fully action without the possibility to pause in combat. I'd say those are big changes. Yes, I do think the teasers we got could be compared to what we got with the Fires Above, although in the latter we did see some important characters from the game. Aside of Solas, which we already knew we'd have gotten, we haven't really see anyone else. And I think they can't really be compared with JS's trailers because those were all, even the teasers, made with scenes from the game. I think we might get less companions overall then Inquisition, and I do think it's not a bad idea to keep some of them secret. I do get what you're saying about diminishing return, although you'd still invest money to showcase the game through hands-on from journalists. Either way, I think they need to showcase the game more then a couple trailers do get what they need from Dreadwolf, sales wise. I do think it'd be weird to highlight last year this year's presentation and then just drop a trailer, so I do expect something at the same time of the 'reveal' trailer, although I'm not sure if it'll be about mechanics or story. But we'll see. Now I will preface what I am going to say with the disclaimers of 1. I could be wrong and 2. even so they could've easily changed their minds since the leaks or even because of the leaks, one way or the other, but... One the first point its not going to be as big of a change from how I play the game since I detest switching to other characters in an RPG and find Dragon Age's insistence on forcing it on the player is one of the series worse aspects. In the grand scheme a fairly minor annoyance that really does not effect my enjoyment of it, more like a bur in the foot then anything, but it can be realllly annoying. The second change is the one I am not sure about. Yes, its something I keep on seeing be repeated on here from people, and yes that would be a huge change if they did take away any pausibility during combat...but I just don't see them doing it and my read of the leaks suggests that such a system is already there. We'll have to wait for official media to be sure, maybe even the game itself, but at this point if they announce that a tactical camera or at least a wheel isn't in the game I would be literally mystified.
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