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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 20:52:00 GMT
There's a lot of mental gymnastics happening in this thread in some desperate attempt to make Andromeda appear decent ... Oh? Yep. Even Darrah admits the game was deeply flawed, but some fans go around trying to convince everyone it's perfect. It's not. It's deeply flawed.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 30, 2018 21:06:18 GMT
Oh? Yep. Even Darrah admits the game was deeply flawed, but some fans go around trying to convince everyone it's perfect. It's not. It's deeply flawed. Oh.. oh.. OH! ... Tell the good doctor, where did the ones, who liked the game, hurt you? I mean, I dont think anyone here said or thinks its perfect... *sigh*
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Post by smilesja on Dec 30, 2018 21:11:30 GMT
Oh? Yep. Even Darrah admits the game was deeply flawed, but some fans go around trying to convince everyone it's perfect. It's not. It's deeply flawed. Why cant people just accept that some see Andromeda differently than others?
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 21:14:31 GMT
Yep. Even Darrah admits the game was deeply flawed, but some fans go around trying to convince everyone it's perfect. It's not. It's deeply flawed. Why cant people just accept that some see Andromeda differently than others? That's a good question Smiles. Whenever someone feels like sharing a video critical of Andromeda, who's one of the first people in here trying to discredit that video? So I think some people do need to ask themselves why they can't accept some seeing Andromeda differently ...
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 21:16:11 GMT
Yep. Even Darrah admits the game was deeply flawed, but some fans go around trying to convince everyone it's perfect. It's not. It's deeply flawed. Oh.. oh.. OH! ... Tell the good doctor, where did the ones, who liked the game, hurt you? I mean, I dont think anyone here said or thinks its perfect... *sigh* Funny, if every time a flaw gets presented certain people want to argue it to death, then I would assume you think it's perfect. Let's test this theory. What flaws do YOU think the game has.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 30, 2018 21:24:34 GMT
Why cant people just accept that some see Andromeda differently than others? That's a good question Smiles. Whenever someone feels like sharing a video critical of Andromeda, who's one of the first people in here trying to discredit that video? So I think some people do need to ask themselves why they can't accept some seeing Andromeda differently ... I don’t know River maybe they’re trying to argue a point or discuss possible mistakes that the video makes.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 21:27:22 GMT
That's a good question Smiles. Whenever someone feels like sharing a video critical of Andromeda, who's one of the first people in here trying to discredit that video? So I think some people do need to ask themselves why they can't accept some seeing Andromeda differently ... I don’t know River maybe they’re trying to argue a point or discuss possible mistakes that the video makes. So in your bid to dismiss the video as "another ME:A sucks video", what point were you trying to make? And what possible mistakes were you trying to point out?
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Post by Arcian on Dec 30, 2018 21:27:23 GMT
Yep. Even Darrah admits the game was deeply flawed, but some fans go around trying to convince everyone it's perfect. It's not. It's deeply flawed. Why cant people just accept that some see Andromeda differently than others? They do. Everyone accepts that you like a bad game. It's you who can't accept that other people doesn't like the game you like because it's bad.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 30, 2018 21:37:02 GMT
Why cant people just accept that some see Andromeda differently than others? They do. Everyone accepts that you like a bad game. It's you who can't accept that other people doesn't like the game you like because it's bad. But I and people on this forum dont think that it’s a bad game.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 30, 2018 21:38:09 GMT
I don’t know River maybe they’re trying to argue a point or discuss possible mistakes that the video makes. So in your bid to dismiss the video as "another ME:A sucks video", what point were you trying to make? And what possible mistakes were you trying to point out? I was asking because I just saw a ME: A sucks video on YouTube. I was trying to clarify with the OP before watching.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 30, 2018 21:41:49 GMT
And I lost Garrus on the second phase even though I completed his loyalty mission. As I understand it it’s not only the person who didn’t gain the loyalty who can die and the wrong person for job can kill others. I’ve only had not loyal people die. But in some of the off scene hold the line parts if everyone isn’t loyal, the group had a smaller combat rating and someone can die. From what I understand though again never experienced mordin has a really low defense rating so he sometimes gets whacked in a fully loyal group. End of the day loyalty meant something in the story no matter how much it gets nitpicked. These were fun stories but outside the arc one didn’t really matter for the story. I’m not sure I see it as a issue though because open world games usually have a wide range of big quests that have nothing to do with the story and just don’t matter. To this day I’m still not sure why I’m supposed to be upset with Liam for his loyalty mission. Like the guy in the video suggests we should be. As far as I can tell Liam gave some rando angara what we already gave to like dozens of rando angara on aya. I mean yeah some basic hey dude run shit past me first issues. But the actual content of what he did I’m not sure what the big deal was. Hell once we got captured by the archon we should have changed location and security but we didn’t. That’s a much bigger security risk and it’s on us. I haven’t play the game in a while but I think Liam leaked information about the initiative to the Angara. However the data and the contact got intercepted.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 30, 2018 21:43:29 GMT
Why cant people just accept that some see Andromeda differently than others? That's a good question Smiles. Whenever someone feels like sharing a video critical of Andromeda, who's one of the first people in here trying to discredit that video? So I think some people do need to ask themselves why they can't accept some seeing Andromeda differently ... Now now, let’s be fair here. This goes both ways. When people post videos that speak positively of a game one of the first people to respond are those critical of it.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 21:51:29 GMT
So in your bid to dismiss the video as "another ME:A sucks video", what point were you trying to make? And what possible mistakes were you trying to point out? I was asking because I just saw a ME: A sucks video on YouTube. I was trying to clarify with the OP before watching. So you were trying to clarify if it was an ME:A sucks video at the beginning of the thread, presumably because you weren't going to watch if it was (otherwise why would you be asking,) then you chose to berate 10k for providing a trigger warning on a video he posted specifically for people who don't want to watch ME:A sucks videos? For what purpose? The author of the video in the OP makes great videos. He doesn't deserve to have people in this thread dismiss his work because they're oversensitive to others who hold different opinions. And there have been a number in this thread. Going full circle, at the end of the day there are consequences in the Mass Effect trilogy from not getting your squad loyal, there are no consequences in Andromeda. While the Trilogy's implementation is not perfect, these consequences from choices from the player make the game objectively a better RPG. I don't see how this point is arguable. There is conflict in the crew in the Trilogy, there is no conflict in Andromeda. Conflict is a key storytelling device. Very key actually. The lack of conflict in Andromeda will make its story less in the eyes of a great many people. Doing mental gymnastics to excuse the criticism that Andromeda had no tension in its crew is a waste of time. Some people might like the relaxed atmosphere, but it is a very valid criticism.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 21:52:08 GMT
That's a good question Smiles. Whenever someone feels like sharing a video critical of Andromeda, who's one of the first people in here trying to discredit that video? So I think some people do need to ask themselves why they can't accept some seeing Andromeda differently ... Now now, let’s be fair here. This goes both ways. When people post videos that speak positively of a game one of the first people to respond are those critical of it. There are videos positive of Andromeda 0.0
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 30, 2018 22:00:00 GMT
Now now, let’s be fair here. This goes both ways. When people post videos that speak positively of a game one of the first people to respond are those critical of it. There are videos positive of Andromeda 0.0 Yes.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 30, 2018 22:00:43 GMT
I understand that passions can run high. I do struggle with both the arguments: - MEA sucks. It has its issues but its biggest criticism in my view is its moments of mediocrity.
- MEA is a great game. It has good bits and some nice gameplay, but it's not BioWare's best work.
I think it did get too much of a kicking at launch, but it had a mountainous reputation to match and didn't really do that.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 30, 2018 22:02:52 GMT
Well well..."This goes both ways" - maybe it is really hard for somebody to understand not even all hated or disliked or were disapointed with the game. I nowadays have a bit hard time anyone likes me3mp... (a bit of joking though, its not that bad)river82 to answer your question: I think the loyalty missions should've had some repercussions, especially Liam and Peebee ones. Then some places were a bit too vast, and I dont think in the end the freely selectable skillset was a good choice.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 22:05:28 GMT
- MEA is a great game. It has good bits and some nice gameplay, but it's not BioWare's best work.
Best single player combat imo, though. Like the very-sharp OP video points out, the ME:T became too generic cover shooter, and they would create moments that force you into it being purely generic cover shooter.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 22:10:03 GMT
river82 to answer your question: I think the loyalty missions should've had some repercussions, especially Liam and Peebee ones. Yes, that was an actual flaw. So why are you liking AlanC9's comments which sought to minimise those flaws? A game is allowed to have flaws, it's not a good thing to brush those under the carpet and say "loyalty is not an ME thing anyway". It's a problem. Every time someone's critical of Bioware games on here, you have this brigade of defenders *rolls eyes*. A lot less now though considering some left in a tantrum after a certain journalist was proved right, but still ...
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 30, 2018 22:12:57 GMT
Best single player combat imo it's so rarely mentioned, but there's a huge slice of MEA in Anthem gameplay.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 22:17:49 GMT
Best single player combat imo it's so rarely mentioned, but there's a huge slice of MEA in Anthem gameplay. The combat in Anthem looks pretty good. I assume it may not for others because they play a lot of shooters and therefore it might be more of the same to them, but for someone who doesn't play a lot of shooters ... it looks good. I enjoyed the combat in Andromeda quite a bit I might give it a go if you can solo it. Midnight Tea got me on ESO recently, and I'm pleasantly surprised 0.0 Actually enjoying my time. Anthem's much less RPG though so I probably won't enjoy it as much, but I'll have a look at the gameplay and see how it is.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 30, 2018 22:27:04 GMT
river82 to answer your question: I think the loyalty missions should've had some repercussions, especially Liam and Peebee ones. Yes, that was an actual flaw. So why are you liking AlanC9's comments which sought to minimise those flaws? A game is allowed to have flaws, it's not a good thing to brush those under the carpet and say "loyalty is not an ME thing anyway". It's a problem. Every time someone's critical of Bioware games on here, you have this brigade of defenders *rolls eyes*. A lot less now though considering some left in a tantrum after a certain journalist was proved right, but still ... Eh you can say that to every game from the Witcher, to Rockstar and Nintendo games. Some are legitimate, some are not but we should hold a discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 22:29:45 GMT
Now now, let’s be fair here. This goes both ways. When people post videos that speak positively of a game one of the first people to respond are those critical of it. There are videos positive of Andromeda 0.0 Yes, there are. Most of them are people who are just playing the game and commenting as they play that they are, in fact, enjoying it. As I said, I won't watch any of these over-analysis videos of ME games anymore because all the authors of them are doing is trying to get a bunch of views by parroting someone else's opinions. They know, as well as I, that those videos still attract hundreds of views even over a year after the game was released; whereas an honest playthrough run is lucky to get 10 views. Also, the negative analysis ones with some sort of catchy meme in the title always get way more views than the positive ones... so they all parrot each other like kids in a schoolyard.
Another thing I've noticed with live streams of ME is that the chat usually gets inundated by fans basically telling the player what to like and not to like about the game. It's evident in the Youtube videos they post (not live) that they've continually had to defend their liking of the game to people in their chats. The chat also generally blows a hissy fit if the player isn't shooting for the "everyone lives" ending for ME2 and the "destroy Shep lives" ending in ME3.
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Post by river82 on Dec 30, 2018 22:34:04 GMT
There are videos positive of Andromeda 0.0 As I said, I won't watch any of these over-analysis videos of ME games anymore because all the authors of them are doing is trying to get a bunch of views by parroting someone else's opinions. When I watched the OP video and saw the point that Andromeda's combat was better for breaking away from the trilogy's cover shooter roots, what I immediately thought was "man I've heard this opinion a thousand times before" ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 22:47:19 GMT
As I said, I won't watch any of these over-analysis videos of ME games anymore because all the authors of them are doing is trying to get a bunch of views by parroting someone else's opinions. When I watched the OP video and saw the point that Andromeda's combat was better for breaking away from the trilogy's cover shooter roots, what I immediately thought was "man I've heard this opinion a thousand times before" ... You and others here are assuming that I'm only talking about criticisms... I said they parrot each others opinions (both positive and negative) but more negative ones are made because they always get more views than positives one... and the makers of these videos are out to boost their view count... So, they make yet another ME criticism video... used to be ME3 endings over and over and over again... now it's ME:A... when the next ME game comes out... it will all move on to that one.
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