ME2 Stasis Glitch Damage Tests

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ME2 Stasis Glitch Damage Tests Oct 15, 2016 14:33:14 GMT

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Post by capn233 on Oct 15, 2016 14:33:14 GMT

Description of glitch: For a short period of time after the Stasis effect wears off of the target, damage taken by the target will be calculated incorrectly.

This is a relatively well known glitch for extra damage on Insanity, but I wanted to take a look at it to see if I could figure out how it worked.

The original dev explanation can be seen here:

When stasis wears off, there is a brief window during which the enemy is considered non-hostile. If the player damages the enemy during this time, damage will not be correctly scaled for difficulty or other factors.

To start, I suppose you could say this is preliminary in that if the damage modifiers for difficulty scaling are involved, it is unclear to me exactly how right now. But here are some conclusions so far.

Stasis Glitch can increase damage or reduce damage depending on level and difficulty. The following was observed:

**At Level 30 on Insanity, glitched damage was 7x higher than typical ragdoll bonus damage.

**On Casual, the Stasis Glitch resulted in reduced damage relative to typical ragdoll bonus damage.

**At Level 1 on Normal, Stasis Glitch resulted in reduced damage, but at Level 30 it resulted in increased damage.

**Stasis Glitch damage probably receives bonus from headshots.

**Rarely, targets coming out of Stasis take very high damage (possibly related to proximity to map edges, objects, etc).

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Eg.

Level 30 Infiltrator, Insanity, 10% HS damage bonus visor only, no other weapon bonus. Damage scaler 0.303798

Stasis, Tempest

AT Timediff: 114.801 Health Dmg : 59.829 <-Glitched damage
AT Timediff: 0.049 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.067 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.583 Health Dmg : 8.506 <-normal ragdoll bonus
AT Timediff: 0.067 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 160.071 Health Dmg : 3.114 <-Fall?
AT Timediff: 0.333 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 0.065 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 8.506
AT Timediff: 0.115 Health Dmg : 12.122 <- HS, ragdoll
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 12.122
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 8.506

14*(1+1)*0.303798=8.506344

14*(1+1+0.75+0.1)*0.303798=12.122

59.829/8.506 = 7.0337

>7x damage increase during glitch

59.829/28 = 2.13675

>2x higher than tempest ragdoll damage with no scaling

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Stasis, Tempest

AT Timediff: 15.380 Health Dmg : 30379.748
AT Timediff: 4.534 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.249 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 59.829
AT Timediff: 0.249 Health Dmg : 8.506

Sometimes target seemed to take extreme damage if near walls or other objects. This was the highest observed example.

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Stasis, Predator

AT Timediff: 0.150 Health Dmg : 158.974 <-Glitch damage
AT Timediff: 0.200 Health Dmg : 22.603
AT Timediff: 0.200 Health Dmg : 22.603
AT Timediff: 0.199 Health Dmg : 22.603

AT Timediff: 13.994 Health Dmg : 21.571
AT Timediff: 0.050 Health Dmg : 226.538 <- Glitched HS?
AT Timediff: 0.199 Health Dmg : 22.603
AT Timediff: 0.200 Health Dmg : 22.603
AT Timediff: 0.800 Health Dmg : 22.603
AT Timediff: 0.034 Health Dmg : 3.843 <-
AT Timediff: 0.216 Health Dmg : 22.603

37.2*(1+1)*0.303798 = 22.6025

158.974 / 22.603 = 7.03331

37.2*(1+1+0.75+0.1)*0.303798 = 32.2087

226.538 / 32.2087 = 7.03344

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Casual, Level 1, HS Visor, no other weapon bonus. Damage scaler 1.832662

Stasis, Tempest

AT Timediff: 156.484 Health Dmg : 12.732 <- Glitch reduces damage here
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 12.732
AT Timediff: 0.067 Health Dmg : 12.732
AT Timediff: 0.050 Health Dmg : 18.800
AT Timediff: 0.149 Health Dmg : 51.315 <- standard ragdoll shot
AT Timediff: 0.200 Health Dmg : 51.315
AT Timediff: 0.050 Health Dmg : 51.315
AT Timediff: 0.198 Health Dmg : 51.315
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 51.315

14*(1+1)*1.832662 = 51.314536

Glitched damage ~25% of typical tempest ragdoll shot at this difficulty / level

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ME2 Stasis Glitch Damage Tests Oct 15, 2016 14:33:36 GMT

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Level 30 Normal -> damage multiplier 0.731484

Stasis - Tempest

AT Timediff: 7.339 Health Dmg : 38.902 <-stasis glitch damage
AT Timediff: 0.383 Health Dmg : 38.902
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 38.902
AT Timediff: 0.199 Health Dmg : 20.482 <-ragdoll bonus
AT Timediff: 0.133 Health Dmg : 20.482
AT Timediff: 0.117 Health Dmg : 20.482
AT Timediff: 0.265 Health Dmg : 20.482
AT Timediff: 0.199 Health Dmg : 20.482

14*(1+1)*0.731484 = 20.481552

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Level 1 Insanity - damage multiplier 0.556962

Stasis - Tempest

AT Timediff: 80.271 Health Dmg : 32.634 <- stasis glitch damage
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 32.634
AT Timediff: 0.066 Health Dmg : 32.634
AT Timediff: 0.033 Health Dmg : 5.727 <- fall?
AT Timediff: 0.098 Health Dmg : 15.595 <- ragdoll bonus
AT Timediff: 0.200 Health Dmg : 15.595
AT Timediff: 0.065 Health Dmg : 15.595
AT Timediff: 0.249 Health Dmg : 15.595
AT Timediff: 0.133 Health Dmg : 15.595

14*(1+1)*0.556962 = 15.5949

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The damage from the glitch is not strictly inversely proportional to the damage multiplier. If it were, Level 1 Insanity would have higher glitch damage than Level 30 Normal. Different components that make the final damage multiplier are not equally important to the stasis glitch.

Last Edit: Oct 15, 2016 14:34:15 GMT by capn233

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ME2 Stasis Glitch Damage Tests Oct 29, 2016 15:22:35 GMT

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Post by capn233 on Oct 29, 2016 15:22:35 GMT

Oct 29, 2016 9:46:09 GMT GrimBroom said:

Do you happen to know at what level the damage on Normal transitions from reduced to increased?

No I don't. I didn't do enough tests to get that, as I would need to more or less test every level.

Also never could figure out the real relationship between the stasis "bonus" damage and the multipliers themselves on Insanity where I had the numbers for every level. One of the unexpected things was showing that the damage multipliers weren't linear between level 1 and 30. I would assume that when the damage multiplier transitions from 1 to <1 is where it happens, but I don't have those multipliers. May get around to charting all the multipliers for all the other levels / difficulties some day.

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ME2 Stasis Glitch Damage Tests Oct 30, 2016 6:40:56 GMT

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Post by GrimBroom on Oct 30, 2016 6:40:56 GMT

I did one experimental character in Mass Effect 2 utilizing Stasis, but I don't remember if it was on Casual or Normal difficulty. My thinking at the time was that I'd use the power, but I wouldn't exploit the damage glitch, and then decide if I'd use it again on a trilogy run based on how effective I found it outside of the cheese. If I understand your test conclusions correctly, it appears there's no damage glitch possible on Casual, as you just get lower than normal ragdoll damage no matter what your level.

This is interesting, because I remember one incident in particular against Vasir where her armor or barrier melted ridiculously fast after she fell out of Stasis, even though I was doing my best to avoid hitting that brief window sweet spot. I probably had Garrus with me, so maybe he hit her with the Mantis? I realize squadmates deliver reduced damage compared to Shepard, but maybe those with Mantis/Widow/Claymore capability could make a somewhat noticeable dent. Anyway, this would seem to indicate that I was on Normal, although maybe it was a case of map edge/object interaction shenanigans, and I was on Casual. Regardless, I still felt dirty using it, and aside from the Vasir incident and maybe one or two other Elites, I didn't trigger anything too crazy on the damage front.

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ME2 Stasis Glitch Damage Tests Nov 1, 2016 0:09:05 GMT

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Post by capn233 on Nov 1, 2016 0:09:05 GMT

I would guess that was a map interaction from the fall, like the one result where there was a "hit" for >30,000 damage. In a somewhat related fashion, I have had YMIR mechs in the Object Rho fight spontaneously combust when hit with Stasis, even if I didn't shoot them as it broke.

For Vasir specifically, special enemies seem to have the same damage multiplier as all other enemies at the same character level / difficulty setting, so I doubt it could be a situation where the glitch damage works on Vasir, but is detrimental to other enemies at the same stage.

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