Where are all the good people in the Anthem fan base?

Interesting points, OP.
Depends on the community I guess.

The Anthem subreddit does appear to be quite a hyped up place.
That's not to say we can't be hyped up here, but skeptics and fans with a BioWare background (or not) can certainly have a grumble and express concerns and it's abolutely ok to discuss (which we also have sub-boards for) lore, characters and story.

To my mind, it's about having enough respect to allow a wide range of opinion and focus.

We have occasionally banhammered people who were so aggressive against the game and so aggressive in favor of the game to make their contributions impossible, but they were the exceptions.

Well, those two have been, to my mind, the least developed aspects of Anthem in the marketing campaign so far. If people are really hyped about the game, they seldom want to be reminded about its potential pitfalls. Furthermore, we don't really have enough material to go on beyond speculation.

Anthem is a different beast than previous BioWare games, and the way they've gone about promoting it makes it only natural that it would appeal to players of similar titles, such as Destiny, a game that is favoured for its gameplay, not for its story. It's likely then that those fans are monopolizing the conversation, at least on reddit.

Why would you pre-order at this point given your concerns about story and characters, not to mention your reservations about the fanbase? What kind of "positive push" do you require?

Thanks for the kind responses.

To answer your question directly, OdanUrr , I think what people on the fence are looking for in terms of a positive push will vary from person to person.

For me personally it basically comes down to two things. Firstly, as a fan of Bioware of old, I want to know that there's worthwhile story and character development to sink my figurative teeth into. It may not be Mass Effect level all the time, but even SWTOR had really good stories and characters (for the most part) in a massively multiplayer platform, so clearly this is something they're capable of. However this is something that they really fell flat with in ME: Andromeda (IMO). So some assurances that Bioware is putting more care and attention to this hallmark of their games like they've done in the past - even if it's not with the same level of complexity - would go a long way.

Secondly, as great as this game might be, it's going to get old fast if there aren't good people to play with. The multiplayer platform it uses, even if playing solo is a valid option, really requires a good community of people to play with to make the game shine. Which is why it's so disheartening and disappointing when I see the sort of negative behaviors that I mentioned in my initial post. 

That subreddit was created by Destiny and The Division players. To them story and characters is very secondary to killing stuff fast, loot and builds.

There's good and bad in every fanbase.


... But count yourself lucky you have not ran into the, somewhat small, weirdos of the Mass Effect fanbase. They can be pretty... Well, weird.

Back when ME3 released, I was primarily on its GameFAQs board. I shit you not, there was a topic posted on there called, "What color is the Asari butthole?". To say the least, that topic went to 500 posts.

By "this", you mean antagonizing people who want to play traditional Bioware-style games? Or do you mean "good people"?

Wow. There's a word I want to use to describe that diatribe that starts with a "b" and ends with "hurt", but I won't, since I want to keep this civil.

First of all, I've been reading the Reddit sub every day since the E3 2018 reveal. Your characterization of that sub is waaaaaaay off base.

Second, I've seen some of the posts you refer to. Talk about a chip on the shoulder! Hardcore traditional Bioware fans come into the sub, more or less ignorant of the sense of the community, and post something with a very entitled attitude, demanding that Bioware go back to doing what they prefer. Is it any wonder they get shit on by the sub, that in large part has never heard of Bioware before Anthem?

Worse, such posts don't tend to acknowledge the things that Bioware has done in Anthem to provide something of interest to traditional fans. Like the entire "My Story" design. Such posts come across as strident and demanding without any appreciation for the consideration Bioware has shown to traditional fans.

You might want to look in a mirror, because you're making me embarrassed to be a traditional Bioware fan myself. You not representing us at our best.

You might try embracing these new fans and trying to understand what motivates them and how Anthem is designed to get them excited.  You might try joining in that enthusiasm and explaining how Bioware's strengths in character and story are going to make this loot shooter so much better than the competition. You might try embracing a new game-type that you might not have tried before. Be an ambassador and share what you love about previous Bioware games, instead of being someone who comes across as wanting to take things away from the loot shooter crowd.

But ultimately, if it's not the game-type for you, straight up, that's fine. Just move on, leave the Anthem subs alone, and understand that Bioware is going after a much larger and more lucrative player base, and if that doesn't include you, there's #TheDreadWolfRising for you in the future.

Not every game Bioware makes has to be for you. Making one game that's not for you does not mean you've been abandoned forever.

1. Bioware is too big to keep making the types of game that it is known for. Narrative based single player games should really be a niche for medium sized company, who doesnt have hundreds of millions in budgets or have ridiulous sales goal. It cant afford not to go after the widest slice of audience with a a lowest common denominator of a game. If ran Bioware i wouldnt make another single player rpg.

2. People who like the old style of bioware games are probably of an older age like me, and frankly we got too much other shit that competes for our attention to keep Bioware financially aflot. It just wouldnt make sense for them to keep catering to the same fan base forever.

I do apologize, but whenever I see this thread's title, this starts running around in my head...

Tbh i unsubbed from the Anthem subreddit just for simple reason it all read as continuous arse licking, it annoyed me as much as the continuous EA hate an the continuous ME3 endings "debate" but then im getting pissed af with just about everything with a comment section an gamers are involved

We had them drawn and quartered.

Kidding. Just hang out around here a bit...you'll find 'em

And not every Bioware fan has to support Bioware on their new endeavors, especially knowing that EA is truely pulling the strings....

In the end, this will be less of do I want to support Bioware and more of do I want to support EA.

The follow up question would be, what jas Bioware/EA done to ensure us that we have NOT been abandoned?