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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 15:09:25 GMT
I liked Justice and Anders as seperate characters very much (especially their dialogues among themselves and with Nathaniel), but their merging just didn't work for me I did like them both separately too, but Justice would have needed a new body eventually and the idea of spirit possession and magic in Dragon Age is interesting to me, so I liked the merging idea. Although after DAI, I now wonder if Justice could have eventually willed himself a physical body, similair to the way Cole did, had he known that was possible. He doesn't appear to know it's possible though, and thinks he will just die if he can't return to the fade, so it was his only option. Justice was fully against the idea of posessing another human thus it makes sense when he merged with Anders he is likely to turn into a demon at some point. That idea appeals to me too, especially seeing how Wynne handled Faith made me want to see more people like that. Especially Rivaini seers Even Cole didn't know he could do what he did, maybe he will return to the fade and become something like a prophet to the spirits by teaching them how to get into physical form, lol it would be a sight to see really
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 18:47:47 GMT
I did like them both separately too, but Justice would have needed a new body eventually and the idea of spirit possession and magic in Dragon Age is interesting to me, so I liked the merging idea. Although after DAI, I now wonder if Justice could have eventually willed himself a physical body, similair to the way Cole did, had he known that was possible. He doesn't appear to know it's possible though, and thinks he will just die if he can't return to the fade, so it was his only option. Justice was fully against the idea of posessing another human thus it makes sense when he merged with Anders he is likely to turn into a demon at some point. That idea appeals to me too, especially seeing how Wynne handled Faith made me want to see more people like that. Especially Rivaini seers Even Cole didn't know he could do what he did, maybe he will return to the fade and become something like a prophet to the spirits by teaching them how to get into physical form, lol it would be a sight to see really He's not was fully against after this: Nathaniel: What if you found a living body to possess? Justice: Even if I knew how, I would not possess the living. Such is an act for demons. Nathaniel: What if the person were willing? Justice: Why would a mortal ever allow such a thing? Nathaniel: For life. For love. Perhaps together, you can do what they cannot do alone. If you gave instead of taking, I would consider you no demon. Justice: It is...something to consider. Thank you, Nathaniel.But if you want to see him as demon, then no problem, the question is open, it can be interpreted both way, and both have sense. As I see, the spirit version has more sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 19:12:28 GMT
Justice was fully against the idea of posessing another human thus it makes sense when he merged with Anders he is likely to turn into a demon at some point. That idea appeals to me too, especially seeing how Wynne handled Faith made me want to see more people like that. Especially Rivaini seers Even Cole didn't know he could do what he did, maybe he will return to the fade and become something like a prophet to the spirits by teaching them how to get into physical form, lol it would be a sight to see really He's not was fully against after this: Nathaniel: What if you found a living body to possess? Justice: Even if I knew how, I would not possess the living. Such is an act for demons. Nathaniel: What if the person were willing? Justice: Why would a mortal ever allow such a thing? Nathaniel: For life. For love. Perhaps together, you can do what they cannot do alone. If you gave instead of taking, I would consider you no demon. Justice: It is...something to consider. Thank you, Nathaniel.But if you want to see him as demon, then no problem, the question is open, it can be interpreted both way, and both have sense. As I see, the spirit version has more sense. I don't see spirit-human mergings as abominations there are lots of good examples but Anders/Justice is not one of them imo that's all I'm saying
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 19:31:10 GMT
He's not was fully against after this: Nathaniel: What if you found a living body to possess? Justice: Even if I knew how, I would not possess the living. Such is an act for demons. Nathaniel: What if the person were willing? Justice: Why would a mortal ever allow such a thing? Nathaniel: For life. For love. Perhaps together, you can do what they cannot do alone. If you gave instead of taking, I would consider you no demon. Justice: It is...something to consider. Thank you, Nathaniel.But if you want to see him as demon, then no problem, the question is open, it can be interpreted both way, and both have sense. As I see, the spirit version has more sense. I don't see spirit-human mergings as abominations there are lots of good examples but Anders/Justice is not one of them imo that's all I'm saying This is the point: I think, he is a good example. I think, their cooperation works well.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 19:44:45 GMT
I don't see spirit-human mergings as abominations there are lots of good examples but Anders/Justice is not one of them imo that's all I'm saying This is the point: I think, he is a good example. I think, their cooperation works well. That cooperation ruined one of the funniest guys in DA world for me. He was dead for me in the begging of Act2 of DA2 killing him in the end felt like stabbing a corpse who is long gone
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 19:53:10 GMT
This is the point: I think, he is a good example. I think, their cooperation works well. That cooperation ruined one of the funniest guys in DA world for me. He was dead for me in the begging of Act2 of DA2 killing him in the end felt like stabbing a corpse who is long gone That's the another point. He never begged to my Hawke, to kill him, because he didn't want to die, only would able to accept the death sentence, because the murder happened, his hand is bloody undeniable. And the victims also deserves justice. This is the difference between the friendship and rivalry. He still has humor, but Kirkwall's not a funny place in this times for the Mages. Especially in Act 3, when he prepared to the explosion. And I think, he wasn't funny in DAA. He was sarcastic. And sad. Anders and Justice's merging was the best idea in the whole series. Anders used his charm and humor for survival and cover his anger. To persuade people that he's not dangerous just wants some fresh air. After he merged with Justice, he's goal was no longer survival, he has purposes. He did not need anymore to be funny, charming guy. That may be a relief.
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Post by Sah291 on May 9, 2017 21:31:58 GMT
It depends, it obviously goes south in the rivalry, I think because when you try to force a part of yourself to stay hidden or repressed into the subconscious like that, it can become stronger and more twisted....that is the definition of a demon. Like, the shadow self. (Yes I'm about to get all Jungian about it. ) But he eventually learns to deal with the merge and becomes stronger I think on the friendship path, and especially when he feels like his purpose is filled.
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 21:36:52 GMT
It depends, it obviously goes south in the rivalry, I think because when you try to force a part of yourself to stay hidden or repressed into the subconscious like that, it can become stronger and more twisted....that is the definition of a demon. Like, the shadow self. (Yes I'm about to get all Jungian about it. ) But he eventually learns to deal with the merge and becomes stronger I think on the friendship path, and especially when he feels like his purpose is filled. Yes, the question is open, there are possible explanations at both sides. This is why so good character, and was a brilliant idea the merging.
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Post by Sah291 on May 9, 2017 22:37:41 GMT
Like Wynne, she was an older and much more experienced mage...and more well adjusted for that matter. She never showed the same kind of fear or self doubt with her spirit that Anders had with his. Meanwhile, when Anders is attacked during the merging, he starts to use Justice as a self defense mechanism, and when things don't go well because of his anger and self hatred, he starts doubting and blaming himself for it. He's very impressionable because of that if you sway him. But what is it the Tevinter mages who work with demons say, you shouldn't summon something stronger than you? Because a demon could control you and take over your conciousness thoughts-which is exactly what happens to rival Anders. He gets blanks in his memory. His ego is totally destroyed, and subservient to Justice/Vengeance. So he's not wrong about Justice being dangerous and that merging with a spirit was risky business. If Hawke is a mage, he/she really should have known better. But unfortunately somebody raised a Veil that caused magic to almost die out, so nobody really does.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 23:00:00 GMT
That cooperation ruined one of the funniest guys in DA world for me. He was dead for me in the begging of Act2 of DA2 killing him in the end felt like stabbing a corpse who is long gone That's the another point. He never begged to my Hawke, to kill him, because he didn't want to die, only would able to accept the death sentence, because the murder happened, his hand is bloody undeniable. And the victims also deserves justice. This is the difference between the friendship and rivalry. He still has humor, but Kirkwall's not a funny place in this times for the Mages. Especially in Act 3, when he prepared to the explosion. And I think, he wasn't funny in DAA. He was sarcastic. And sad. Anders and Justice's merging was the best idea in the whole series. Anders used his charm and humor for survival and cover his anger. To persuade people that he's not dangerous just wants some fresh air. After he merged with Justice, he's goal was no longer survival, he has purposes. He did not need anymore to be funny, charming guy. That may be a relief. Amaranthine wasn't a fun place either not just for mages but for everyone who isn't darkspawn. And in some of my PTs I was in friendship with him and he still wanted to die. You know it is a sin against the Maker to say that Anders wasn't funny in Awakening dude always cracked me up Shit talking about Awakening made me miss the team Grey Wardens, it was my favourite squad
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 23:38:43 GMT
Like Wynne, she was an older and much more experienced mage...and more well adjusted for that matter. She never showed the same kind of fear or self doubt with her spirit that Anders had with his. Meanwhile, when Anders is attacked during the merging, he starts to use Justice as a self defense mechanism, and when things don't go well because of his anger and self hatred, he starts doubting and blaming himself for it. He's very impressionable because of that if you sway him. But what is it the Tevinter mages who work with demons say, you shouldn't summon something stronger than you? Because a demon could control you and take over your conciousness thoughts-which is exactly what happens to rival Anders. He gets blanks in his memory. His ego is totally destroyed, and subservient to Justice/Vengeance. So he's not wrong about Justice being dangerous and that merging with a spirit was risky business. If Hawke is a mage, he/she really should have known better. But unfortunately somebody raised a Veil that caused magic to almost die out, so nobody really does. This is why I think, that the rivalry path's wrong with him. If Hawke love/like him, and wants him the best. Of course, if Hawke hates him, the rivalry path is the natural way, and I can imagine, that from simple ignorance, s/he think, that the rivalry path helps to keep himself away from that "demon". The problem with this, that Justice inside him. Their rivalry will cause Anders and perhaps Justice's death. The Spirit of Justice doesn't want to kill Anders nor even to control him. But if Anders rival with him inside, Justice will identify him as a threat for their purpose, and himself, of course, he wants to take the power over his mind... and this act will speed up the process of becoming a demon. The Vengeance demon perhaps doesn't want to kill him*, but undoubtedly wants to control his mind. So: the rivalry path is unnecessary, cruel, and even dangerous. (A pretty good path for a Templar Hawke...) The friendship path confirms his conviction, and help him to accept and handle his situation with Justice. Less dangerous, than the rivalry. ___________ * But interesting version, that he wants revenge for the victims of the Chantry explosion, but with this, he would destroy his host. The Spirit of Justice would be able to sacrifice his host –and with this, probably himself– for the justice, but Vengeance would be able to sacrifice his safe host –and perhaps himself– for his twisted goal? If he can be free, when Hawke kills Anders, he can found another host ( Sebastian, for example – arvaarad ), and can continue his amok. If this version is true, killing Anders is not only unnecessary but even more dangerous...
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Post by Rouccoco on May 9, 2017 23:39:10 GMT
But what is it the Tevinter mages who work with demons say, you shouldn't summon something stronger than you? Because a demon could control you and take over your conciousness thoughts-which is exactly what happens to rival Anders. He gets blanks in his memory. His ego is totally destroyed, and subservient to Justice/Vengeance. His rival route is about trying to get him to reject everything he stands for and believes in. At which point his body is home to two individuals fighting for control. But Hawke damages him as much or even more as Justice in the rivalmance route. Telling someone for 10 years he's made a huge mistake, that he should be locked up, and that his motivations are worthless would break a lot of people. His ego seems much more subservient to Hawke in that route.
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 23:50:52 GMT
That's the another point. He never begged to my Hawke, to kill him, because he didn't want to die, only would able to accept the death sentence, because the murder happened, his hand is bloody undeniable. And the victims also deserves justice. This is the difference between the friendship and rivalry. He still has humor, but Kirkwall's not a funny place in this times for the Mages. Especially in Act 3, when he prepared to the explosion. And I think, he wasn't funny in DAA. He was sarcastic. And sad. Anders and Justice's merging was the best idea in the whole series. Anders used his charm and humor for survival and cover his anger. To persuade people that he's not dangerous just wants some fresh air. After he merged with Justice, he's goal was no longer survival, he has purposes. He did not need anymore to be funny, charming guy. That may be a relief. Amaranthine wasn't a fun place either not just for mages but for everyone who isn't darkspawn. And in some of my PTs I was in friendship with him and he still wanted to die. You know it is a sin against the Maker to say that Anders wasn't funny in Awakening dude always cracked me up Shit talking about Awakening made me miss the team Grey Wardens, it was my favourite squad He doesn't want to die. He able to accept the death sentence. He's grateful for his life, and for the opportunity that he can continue his fight. Perhaps you never let him to fight for the mages in Hawke's side, or just let him go away. Yes, he has very good humor, he (and Justice and Nathaniel) was my favorite companion. But I always saw his anger and sadness. (I have Circle Mage origin, that's my favorite.) He's not a funny boy, he's sarcastic. He always speaks about the Circle and the Mages with Justice, he can't forget that for a while, even if he happy at the moment. This was his good fate, in DA2, yes, even if Hawke finally kill him. This is the same guy. Seems not that funny:
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Post by Sah291 on May 10, 2017 0:19:36 GMT
But what is it the Tevinter mages who work with demons say, you shouldn't summon something stronger than you? Because a demon could control you and take over your conciousness thoughts-which is exactly what happens to rival Anders. He gets blanks in his memory. His ego is totally destroyed, and subservient to Justice/Vengeance. His rival route is about trying to get him to reject everything he stands for and believes in. At which point his body is home to two individuals fighting for control. But Hawke damages him as much or even more as Justice in the rivalmance route. Telling someone for 10 years he's made a huge mistake, that he should be locked up, and that his motivations are worthless would break a lot of people. His ego seems much more subservient to Hawke in that route. This is true, Hawke appears to have some sort of command over Justice as well, like we see in his Act 2 personal quest. I could see blood mage Hawke treating him this way also, in order to use/control Vengeance. But if Hawke is his friend, best thing for Anders is to strengthen his willpower so he can handle his own power.
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Post by Catilina on May 10, 2017 9:08:02 GMT
But what is it the Tevinter mages who work with demons say, you shouldn't summon something stronger than you? Because a demon could control you and take over your conciousness thoughts-which is exactly what happens to rival Anders. He gets blanks in his memory. His ego is totally destroyed, and subservient to Justice/Vengeance. His rival route is about trying to get him to reject everything he stands for and believes in. At which point his body is home to two individuals fighting for control. But Hawke damages him as much or even more as Justice in the rivalmance route. Telling someone for 10 years he's made a huge mistake, that he should be locked up, and that his motivations are worthless would break a lot of people. His ego seems much more subservient to Hawke in that route. Absolutely. In addition: the rivalry path, especially in romance, Hawke's big race to rule over Anders and change him. The whole romance about: I hate your politics and your demon, but you're so hot to not f…ing with you. You must forget your idiot "purpose"! Mere sexual attraction, not real love. At the end, he doesn't want anything anymore but to die. The climax is the pillow scene when Hawke "convinces" him.
I think, this isn't true: clearly seems in the video, that he know, that Hawke's not right, but tired of fighting with him/her: it looks exactly when he give up the game ( "yes, time... maybe", he said – why I don't see, that he already convinced?), and "calls" Justice's help (not directly, I suppose, but I think, he yells inside – and Justice know, what happened, and feels Anders' hopelessness), but seems he's uncertain and doesn't trust in him(self) anymore. Hawke had an easy ride, I don't think, that Anders would like the thought, that he will explode the Chantry, he's not a monster. One thing, that he sees that necessary, but the other, that he will be a murderer. Hawke won: s/he alienated them from each other: Anders at the moment has an inner enemy (at least he think that already) and lost everything, what was important in his life. He's alone with his problem again. And Justice too. (Most of people only speak about Anders, but what about Justice?) I think at the moment Justice really feel, that he trapped in Anders' body. If he tries to control Anders' mind for their cause, without Anders' agreement, this is the best way to become a demon. Of course, if Justice already demon, this doesn't matter, but he didn't show anything over the seven years from which we could conclude this. (How idiot Hawke is in this scene! "Speak with the Grand Cleric!" But he –and even Hawke– already did it!– "Maybe Meredith will retreat", "You should show a good example to people!" "Should has been some peaceful solution..." Hawke says that after seven years when it is clear that Meredith will not retreat, and the Grand Cleric is an idiot/malevolent toward the mages. – And what I never can understand: why Hawke help to Anders to distract Elthina in the rivalry? What his/her reason for it? The eternal love? I don't think so... So: the rivalry path at this point, not just cruel and dangerous, but even illogical. If Hawke is templar-hearted, there is no reason to supports anders plan in this phase. If Hawke is pro-mage, just hates Justice, s/he doesn't trust in Anders...) (How I like the wording: Hawke must "fixing" him – as he would be been a broken car...)
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It depends, it obviously goes south in the rivalry, I think because when you try to force a part of yourself to stay hidden or repressed into the subconscious like that, it can become stronger and more twisted....that is the definition of a demon. Like, the shadow self. (Yes I'm about to get all Jungian about it. ) But he eventually learns to deal with the merge and becomes stronger I think on the friendship path, and especially when he feels like his purpose is filled. He doesn't learn to deal with the merge. He surrenders to it and by the end of Act 3 there is no more Anders. On the other hand, rivalry challenges Anders to the point that Justice gets all pissy and takes over his body during a conversation where you get close to changing his mind.
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Post by Sah291 on May 10, 2017 13:00:07 GMT
It depends, it obviously goes south in the rivalry, I think because when you try to force a part of yourself to stay hidden or repressed into the subconscious like that, it can become stronger and more twisted....that is the definition of a demon. Like, the shadow self. (Yes I'm about to get all Jungian about it. ) But he eventually learns to deal with the merge and becomes stronger I think on the friendship path, and especially when he feels like his purpose is filled. He doesn't learn to deal with the merge. He surrenders to it and by the end of Act 3 there is no more Anders. On the other hand, rivalry challenges Anders to the point that Justice gets all pissy and takes over his body during a conversation where you get close to changing his mind. I didn't see it that way. Anders is changed from what he started as before the merging, true, but that's the point of merging with a spirit... you can not like the result or the choices he made, which is fine, but he is sane at the end of the friend path where the merge was encouraged. When Hawke questions him, you can see it was a deliberate and conscious decision on his part, not something he did out of a crazed frenzy, and if you spare him he is focused and hopeful for the future. Not the broken man you see at the end of rivalry. Even if you do side with Templars, he is still sane in his resolve when he confronts Hawke.
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Post by Catilina on May 10, 2017 19:01:23 GMT
It depends, it obviously goes south in the rivalry, I think because when you try to force a part of yourself to stay hidden or repressed into the subconscious like that, it can become stronger and more twisted....that is the definition of a demon. Like, the shadow self. (Yes I'm about to get all Jungian about it. ) But he eventually learns to deal with the merge and becomes stronger I think on the friendship path, and especially when he feels like his purpose is filled. He doesn't learn to deal with the merge. He surrenders to it and by the end of Act 3 there is no more Anders. On the other hand, rivalry challenges Anders to the point that Justice gets all pissy and takes over his body during a conversation where you get close to changing his mind. Why do you think so? Because he is more tense and less humorous? He can't deal with anything else but his cause? He prepares for a terrible thing. Just a psychopath would be able to make jokes, or even just behave "normally". As I already said: I saw videos about this "change his mind", and I just saw, that he so tired of fighting and uncertain again. As Rouccoco wrote: "Telling someone for 10 years he's made a huge mistake, that he should be locked up, and that his motivations are worthless would break a lot of people." Of course, he's uncertain! Not mentioned, that to exploding a building not some easy thing, even if he think, that this is necessary for the revolution. I don't think Hawke's stupid arguments would able to persuade anyone, who certain about his goal. Anders desperately insists that what Hawke says is impossible, but suddenly silencing. At the moment he realizes that he speaks in vain, Hawke never ever will understand him and support him. And at the moment he crushed. This is the saddest and cruelest thing, what I see in the whole game. And Justice come out again, yes, for protect their goal, and protect Anders. He was right: rival!Hawke is a distraction, on a wrong way. But he doesn't prevent their "relationship". Only in this moment, and only just for a moment. Really behaves as an evil demon. This is my version. Of course: the question's open, you can explain on another way.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on May 10, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
Been a while since I posted here. Have some gifs. :dumb:
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Post by Rascoth on May 10, 2017 21:06:28 GMT
SpiritVanguard Who would have thought you'd post gifs! ...and of course I had to check some myself and found this. Can't stop laughing.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on May 10, 2017 21:41:32 GMT
SpiritVanguard Who would have thought you'd post gifs! ...and of course I had to check some myself and found this. Can't stop laughing.
Rascoth! :amirite: This thread has been a regular haunt since it started --if you ever read anything else in here you'll see how much I've embarrassed myself. Imagine my surprise to see you pop in here! And then learn that we're using the exact same wallpaper...
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Post by Rascoth on May 10, 2017 22:40:37 GMT
SpiritVanguard Who would have thought you'd post gifs! ...and of course I had to check some myself and found this. Can't stop laughing.
Rascoth! :amirite: This thread has been a regular haunt since it started --if you ever read anything else in here you'll see how much I've embarrassed myself. Imagine my surprise to see you pop in here! And then learn that we're using the exact same wallpaper... Ooooh, now no one can convince me to not read the whole thread What can I say, between replaying DA2 after long time and getting Anders' figure from my first ever Heroes of Thedas blindbox (which means I got pretty much what I wanted in first try... now he stares at me when I play), I just had to come here You have a fine taste in wallpapers, my friend, a very fine taste.
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Post by Sah291 on May 10, 2017 23:36:14 GMT
Rascoth ...do it! I think we've discussed and picked apart Anders from every conceivable angle by now. We need some fresh blood sacrifices I mean insight.
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Post by Rascoth on May 10, 2017 23:50:29 GMT
Rascoth ...do it! I think we've discussed and picked apart Anders from every conceivable angle by now. We need some fresh blood sacrifices I mean insight.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on May 11, 2017 0:01:27 GMT
Rascoth ...do it! I think we've discussed and picked apart Anders from every conceivable angle by now. We need some fresh blood sacrifices I mean insight. "I'd pay to see that."
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