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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 4, 2019 12:37:36 GMT
I am not talking about if DA4 will be made or not, I mean are the lessons learned from Anthem?
Will it still have live service aspects?
Will it be more SP heavy?
How will the writing, especially of NPCs change?
What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs?
Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned?
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 4, 2019 13:03:34 GMT
Will it have live service aspects? do bears defecate in the woods
Will it be more SP heavy? Than Anthem, sure. Hopefully its at least as SP heavy as inquisition.
How will the writing change? I'm hoping that core dragon age writers might retain better tone than say andromeda/anthem. time will tell.
What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs?
Fort Tarsis complaints certainly makes the liklihood of creating an alive city like Minrathous still rather worrying Equally i hope its horrible separation of story and gameworld is limited to the abomination that is Anthem I'd prefer a less open world but doesn't seem like frostbite can do that
Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned?
Chasing their tail and releasing early seems a bad idea. I love lots about DA2 but it was reviled by many for its rushed flawed release
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 4, 2019 15:04:12 GMT
Will it still have live service aspects?
of course
Will it be more SP heavy?
I think so
How will the writing, especially of NPCs change?
More accurate, and deep. And stop putting in every damn dialogue that demential marvel-style comicality
What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs?
Fort Tarsis is garbage. The fantasy city-hub to imitate for Minrathous is Novigrad, TW3.
Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned?
My guess? E3 2020, if bioware is still alive.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 4, 2019 16:02:18 GMT
Shouldn't we wait a month or so for this? It's not clear how Anthem's live service aspects are working yet.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 4, 2019 16:05:33 GMT
I am not talking about if DA4 will be made or not, I mean are the lessons learned from Anthem? Don't publish bullshot trailers at E3? Don't do a beta and call it a demo? If you do a loot-shooter, make sure it has good loot and good shooting? There are quite a few things to learn. Will it still have live service aspects? Is the pope catholic? Will it be more SP heavy? Hopefully... but I wouldn't be overly surprised if it turns out to be a mobile battle royale with Solas and his elves vs qunari vs Tevinter vs Orlais. How will the writing, especially of NPCs change? Since DA has a different writing team than Anthem/MEA, it will probably be back to "chosen one with a band of quirky companions snarking their way to inevitable victory". What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs? Anything better than something between Fort Tarsis and Val Royeaux would surprise me. Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned? Sooner than expected? Dude. Anthem, with its little and not very polished content supposedly took six years to make. How long do you think will the same team need for an AAA RPG that's not in full production yet? Might contain traces of sarcasm. Reader discretion is advised.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Mar 4, 2019 16:33:28 GMT
I am not talking about if DA4 will be made or not, I mean are the lessons learned from Anthem?They didn't learn much from Andromeda, so I'm hoping yes but expecting no Will it still have live service aspects?
Yes. Will it be more SP heavy?
Than Anthem? Yes. Than DAI? I'm imagining a heavier 'integrated MP' experience than DAI tbh How will the writing, especially of NPCs change?
They moved in a new horny, elfy direction with DAI and I'm assuming they'll continue with that. It's not my preference, and I would guess they will have a little more Tumblr-esque dialogue like MEA. What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs?
I want very little open world, but I guess they'll go Witcher 3 with it. Given the lack of a big city in DAI I'm assuming they'll rectify that with a massive Minrathous or some such place. Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned?No. It'll take bloody ages because frostbite is so hard you guys.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 4, 2019 17:01:26 GMT
I am not talking about if DA4 will be made or not, I mean are the lessons learned from Anthem? We don't even know if they learned their lessons from Inquisition and Andromeda...
Will it still have live service aspects? I want to say no. Thing is, I'd be lying.
Will it be more SP heavy? I hope it is. I don't doubt it'll have a multiplayer mode, but the two need to stay functionally separate.
How will the writing, especially of NPCs change? Dunno how it will change. But I can hope for less Quippy ShitTM, since apparently Cathleen Rootsaert isn't working on the game.
What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs? I want them to really work for it if they're sticking to that model. Whether or not it'll happen, well...
Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned? Hopes: No. Expectations: Yes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2019 17:22:23 GMT
I am not talking about if DA4 will be made or not, I mean are the lessons learned from Anthem? Will it still have live service aspects? Will it be more SP heavy? How will the writing, especially of NPCs change? What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs? Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned? The only lesson they need to learn is to ignore people who will never be satisfied like you and make the games they want to make. Yes Yes Hopefully not much. They’ve always had good writing and characters. I liked Fort Tarsis. I imagine their hubs will be good. I imagine we’ll get a trailer at E3 this year since they traded it in December and now Anthem is out.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 4, 2019 17:39:35 GMT
If Orlais had been more like Fort Tarsis, that would have been a good thing. I think it will have a positive impact on whatever hub areas there will be.
I'd even say I like Fort Tarsis more than Skyhold (which was a little too large for my taste to be a functional main hub area for managing all your quests, crafting, etc). The only real drawback is the gated garden feel, where we don't have any choices or interactivity outside of it. But DA4 being a single player game shouldn't have that problem. Hopefully.
The other thing Anthem does very well that will positively impact DA4, I hope, are the animations, etc. NPCs will be more lifelike.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 4, 2019 18:07:33 GMT
Roses are red, violets are blue, I have buckets of live service for you! Naturally, but I would not surprised to have something like ME3 galactic readiness rearing its ugly head again, what I mean is mutiplayer stuff that somehow affects single player experience. Bioware is always desperately trying to implement multiplayer stuff into their single player games, so I say be ready for some weird shit. I guess it will be roughly the same quality as Andromeda and Inquisition. But with all the comings and goings of writers in Bioware one cannot be certain. Bioware has always struggled with making cities and hubs lively and crowded, I don't think that will change anytime soon just out of the blue. Every time this happens I think they learned their lesson but it never really gets any better. As for open world, I don't see any chance of the next Dragon Age NOT being a sandbox-map game. It took them 6 years to make an unfinished product (with all hands on deck, no less) which should take a functional studio 3 years tops. The studio seems to be suffering loss of direction and severe internal struggle so it will take them MUCH longer this time. On the other hand I imagine they need to produce a solid game with a solid fan base to recover and get back on track. Well, I expect DA4 to be a rushed buggy 75% bittersweet game coming out fall 2021. But thats a total guess.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 4, 2019 18:26:39 GMT
"What are the lessons learned from Anthem?"
Main lesson that should have been made with ME:A...if the game is not finished or needs patches prior to release, do not open it for early scrutiny or critique with EA Access and EA Access premier. For the 2nd week in a row, "Anthem" has sold well by all indications so they may have dodged that initial release bullet but updates and dev communication will have to be constant in regards to stabilizing connectivity, fixing quickplay and continuing to update the loot drop rates on GM2 and GM3. Either way, though, EA has got to stop this crap...I can't think of a game that hasn't been hurt by this practice.
Will it still have live service aspects?
Yes...EA has stated that Live Service aspects will be in all of their games. The way Casey has stated their ambitions it appears they are looking at adding smaller bits of SP DLC content more frequently as opposed to 3 4-8 hr DLCs you wait for months on and then nothing comes out for the game. I am also sure there will be MP and I wouldn't be surprised if there was Ubisoft-esque store where you can skins, customer armor, outfits...cosmetic items...like they have for "Assassin's Creed: Odyssey".
Will it be more SP heavy?
Yes...it's a Dragon Age game...it will SP focused with branching dialogue, hub towns, companions, advisers, and NPCs
How will the writing, especially of NPCs change?
A bunch of a DA vets are running things so I am sure it will look, feel, sound and play like a Dragon Age game so I don't anticipate a significant difference.
What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs?
Fort Tarsis is lively...which is something you find out if, you know, you actually play the game.
As for open world aspects, I think they'll have day/night/weather cycles and I think it will be the first game that will allow you to walk between towns as opposed to always having to fast travel to them
Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned?
No, Dragon Age will come out when it's ready. After the development and release struggles of "ME:A" and "Anthem", I think BioWare will be given the time necessary to release solid game.
There will also be definitely something at EA Play since "Anthem" is out and "DA4" was all but announced in December. By the time E3 rolls around June 10-13, Act I-III "Echos of Reality" will have come to a close with the announced "Cataclysm" and at the end of May so it will be a perfect time to say what the next step is for "Anthem" while simultaneously give more details on "The Dread Wolf Rises". If they announce a release date then, we'll know how far along they are in development...my wish is Nov 2020 but wouldn't be surprised at Nov 2021.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 4, 2019 18:38:51 GMT
I feel like the questions have been answered, though obviously the answer differs if you are a fan of Anthem or not. May I pose one of my own?
I know we all want different things from DA4, but I feel like if there’s one thing that unifies the DA fan base, it’s our desire to have a strong single-player story campaign that doesn’t have multiplayer built into it. MP can still exist, but as a separate mode, similar to DAI.
Is there something we should be doing as fans to help promote this cause?
I’m talking about starting a social media campaign or some kind of viral marketing initiative.
I recognize that EA will do whatever is most profitable, but if we make the case that a SP campaign will deliver value, that might have some effect.
The alternative is literally doing nothing and praying that DA4 will at least be playable.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 4, 2019 18:55:29 GMT
I feel like the questions have been answered, though obviously the answer differs if you are a fan of Anthem or not. May I pose one of my own? I know we all want different things from DA4, but I feel like if there’s one thing that unifies the DA fan base, it’s our desire to have a strong single-player story campaign that doesn’t have multiplayer built into it. MP can still exist, but as a separate mode, similar to DAI. Is there something we should be doing as fans to help promote this cause?I’m talking about starting a social media campaign or some kind of viral marketing initiative. I recognize that EA will do whatever is most profitable, but if we make the case that a SP campaign will deliver value, that might have some effect. The alternative is literally doing nothing and praying that DA4 will at least be playable. I don't know if such a campaign will ever lift off, but I'm with you on that. So yeah, I think that kind of initiative may just be what we need to do. But first we'd need a catchy hashtag.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 4, 2019 19:10:06 GMT
Will it have live service aspects?Its EA. So Yes. Will it be more SP heavy?More than Anthem but without a proper MP DA 4 wouldn´t be greenlighted. The ME 3 MP is still a big success for Bioware but DAI MP wasn´t. What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs?After Val Royeaux and Aya i wouldn´t expect much from Bioware. Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned?Yes. Let me explain under normal conditions Bioware would have never released the DA 4 Teaser right before the Anthem Launch. But they did. So i would expect something at EA Play / E3. It would likely not be huge but maybe some kind of Gameplay like infamous Crestwood Demo.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 4, 2019 19:13:29 GMT
]I don't know if such a campaign will ever lift off, but I'm with you on that. So yeah, I think that kind of initiative may just be what we need to do.
Obviously if we only mention it here on the old BioWare forum, any kind of social media effort we make will fall dead. But I'm willing to take it to Reddit and Twitter. The hashtag that popped into my head was #KeepDragonAgeSP. I welcome any suggestions, however.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 4, 2019 19:20:02 GMT
]I don't know if such a campaign will ever lift off, but I'm with you on that. So yeah, I think that kind of initiative may just be what we need to do.
Obviously if we only mention it here on the old BioWare forum, any kind of social media effort we make will fall dead. But I'm willing to take it to Reddit and Twitter. The hashtag that popped into my head was #KeepDragonAgeSP. I welcome any suggestions, however. Any suggestions I have will end up being too corny or too long, so I'd go with your choice. Either way, we can definitely spread the word on those two platforms. EDIT: Also, we could still create a thread here to raise awareness on the forums.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 4, 2019 19:50:56 GMT
EDIT: Also, we could still create a thread here to raise awareness on the forums. I'm working on the wording of that thread now.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 4, 2019 19:56:44 GMT
EDIT: Also, we could still create a thread here to raise awareness on the forums. I'm working on the wording of that thread now. Mind if I already start spreading the word on Reddit and Twitter? Fair warning: it might get a bit melodramatic on the latter.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 4, 2019 20:10:20 GMT
Here’s the sample wording. Feel free to suggest edits.
Title: Ensuring a SP Dragon Age - What Can We Do as Fans?
As Dragon Age fans, we’re all hoping for different things for DA4. However, I think the one thing nearly all of us can agree on is the desire for a strong single-player story campaign. Multiplayer is not unwelcome, but I think the general consensus is that it should be kept separate.
Regardless of what BioWare’s devs have said, I think many of us fear that EA’s emphasis on games as a service will jeopardize DA’s single-player campaign.
And so I ask: what should WE be doing to influence EA?
I’m talking about something like a social media campaign - a #KeepDragonAgeSP hashtag, a Facebook page, an online petition, a flood of YouTube videos all delivering the same message, etc. I’m not in marketing, so suggestions are welcome.
Any efforts made should not be delivered as an attack on the company, but a promise that we will eagerly support a SP Dragon Age game.
Don’t think me naive - I know that EA will do whatever they consider to be the most profitable based on their market research. But the alternative is literally sitting on our haunches and praying.
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Post by abaris on Mar 4, 2019 20:13:40 GMT
I recognize that EA will do whatever is most profitable, but if we make the case that a SP campaign will deliver value, that might have some effect.
Make that, what they consider to be most profitable. Based on their market research. Fact is, most of the games they recently published had rather poor user reviews and a mixed bag by critics. If that is the profitable way, we aren't in a position to answer that question, since we're not privy to sales numbers and revenues.
I fear for DA4 and I certainly won't buy before having had a good hard look at the final result. SP vs MP plays a rather large role for me. I never was the least bit interested in MP, so I'm not even in a position to judge Anthem. I won't buy it. It's that simple. And if DA4 goes down the same road, I won't buy it either.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 4, 2019 20:17:17 GMT
Here’s the sample wording. Feel free to suggest edits. Title: Ensuring a SP Dragon Age - What Can We Do as Fans? As Dragon Age fans, we’re all hoping for different things for DA4. However, I think the one thing nearly all of us can agree on is the desire for a strong single-player story campaign. Multiplayer is not unwelcome, but I think the general consensus is that it should be kept separate. Regardless of what BioWare’s devs have said, I think many of us fear that EA’s emphasis on games as a service will jeopardize DA’s single-player campaign. And so I ask: what should WE be doing to influence EA? I’m talking about something like a social media campaign - a #KeepDragonAgeSP hashtag, a Facebook page, an online petition, a flood of YouTube videos all delivering the same message, etc. I’m not in marketing, so suggestions are welcome. Any efforts made should not be delivered as an attack on the company, but a promise that we will eagerly support a SP Dragon Age game. Don’t think me naive - I know that EA will ultimately do whatever they feel is most profitable. But the alternative is literally sitting on our haunches and praying. (QUOTE EDITED IN) It's pretty good. I was gonna ask you to clarify on the MP aspect, but it's already there, so I got nothing. (well, maybe you can bold it to emphasize it) On another note... my Twitter thread is standing by, ready to be unleashed upon the interwebz. I think it's melodramatic AF. I'm gonna PM it to you.
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Post by duckley on Mar 11, 2019 16:44:31 GMT
Will it still have live service aspects? I am not sure I understand what live service is - I don't play MP
Will it be more SP heavy? I certainly hope so.
How will the writing, especially of NPCs change? It better not! This is what makes DA games so terrific (usually)
What about the open world aspects and how lively it is and not another Fort Tarsis vibes for its hubs? I hope there is no hub
Will it come out sooner than expected in order to quickly get the bad Anthem taste out of everyone's mouth? I doubt it and I am not sure that is a good strategy. There needs to be less hype. The more hype the more disappointment - real or imagined
Could E3 2019 feature more DA4 than what was previously planned? Yes possibly
As an aside a guy I know who has never played a Bioware game before (he likes shooter MP type games)is blown away buy Anthem and raves about it to everyone. So go figure - some apparently like the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 11, 2019 17:33:30 GMT
They’ve had their own thing, EA Play, for a few years now so that’s nothing new.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 11, 2019 18:07:00 GMT
Now what I'm about to say comes with the caveat that it may be more wishful thinking on my part but here goes...
I doubt that they can learn anything from Anthem since DA4 is likely too far ahead in production. If anything EA might quietly delay the next DA game if there is any feedback to be had. The plan for DA4 was set in stone a long time ago.
A SP player heavy (or possibly SP exclusive) Bioware RPG with companions, story, and decisions. This game will be a live service but that doesent mean what people thinks it means so *shrug*.
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