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Post by melbella on Apr 1, 2019 0:29:53 GMT
Schleets. We may have caught glimpses of them but never a true sighting. 👖👖👖👖
Sera seems to be familiar with them....
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 2, 2019 13:35:35 GMT
The Desire Demon should look like that monster from Shin Megami Tensei that is literally just a cock with wheels. So... a cannon? What I find odd about desire demons is that their appearance in DA:O made no sense in view of the type of "seduction" they were conducting. I mean, two out of the three times I remember actually talking with desire demons, their victim was a prepubescent child. Obviously, the answer is fanservice. I'm conflicted when it comes to the better solution, whether to do away with the fanservice entirely or to make it equal opportunity. If they had really wanted to push the lust angle, an androgynous demon would probably have been the best choice, but that ship has sailed. I would have said that the answer was sexism, but now that you mention it, the proximity of the sex (but not REALLY sex) demon to children in the games is... pretty freaking weird. In fact, given that the sex demon isn't really about sex, officially speaking, I'd also go ahead and argue that its domain is so broad and vague that it could be filled by multiple other types of demons that we know exist. Envy in particular. The choice of the word "desire" is also a bit odd, if it wasn't meant to be about sex. They could have said "greed" demon, or something. But I never liked this whole spirit/demon dichotomy in the first place, where various personality attributes are inherently negative or positive, and a creature that comes to embody that trait through some sort of magical osmosis or whatever is automatically either friendly or antagonistic. That feels like far more of a morality/values imposition than ladies having man chins or whatever the """moderates""" in here are always complaining about.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 2, 2019 14:02:39 GMT
Imshael was a desire demon, wasn't he? choice. Spirit. whqat and you believed him
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 2, 2019 14:55:56 GMT
So... a cannon? What I find odd about desire demons is that their appearance in DA:O made no sense in view of the type of "seduction" they were conducting. I mean, two out of the three times I remember actually talking with desire demons, their victim was a prepubescent child. Obviously, the answer is fanservice. I'm conflicted when it comes to the better solution, whether to do away with the fanservice entirely or to make it equal opportunity. If they had really wanted to push the lust angle, an androgynous demon would probably have been the best choice, but that ship has sailed. I would have said that the answer was sexism, but now that you mention it, the proximity of the sex (but not REALLY sex) demon to children in the games is... pretty freaking weird. In fact, given that the sex demon isn't really about sex, officially speaking, I'd also go ahead and argue that its domain is so broad and vague that it could be filled by multiple other types of demons that we know exist. Envy in particular. The choice of the word "desire" is also a bit odd, if it wasn't meant to be about sex. They could have said "greed" demon, or something. But I never liked this whole spirit/demon dichotomy in the first place, where various personality attributes are inherently negative or positive, and a creature that comes to embody that trait through some sort of magical osmosis or whatever is automatically either friendly or antagonistic. That feels like far more of a morality/values imposition than ladies having man chins or whatever the """moderates""" in here are always complaining about. From what I understand about Desire demons in Dragon Age, I don't see why they would be natural seducers at all. Desire is just the emotion they embody, so they're wanton and crave affection. It doesn't mean they have any particular reason to be good at presenting themselves desirably to others beyond offering their willingness to give themselves to you as a reason to let them do so. Which obviously makes them more dangerous to and more likely to target people starved for love and affection. Like children and childish adults -which tends to naturally mean men more than women-, people who haven't learned to temper their various desires with caution. Meanwhile, those who know that sticking your dick in something or putting it in your mouth just because you want to is a terrible idea should be relatively safe from their manipulation, because embodied emotions aren't refined enough to anticipate more complex needs. Again from what I've seen in the games, it's not so much that some embodied emotions are inherently negative and positive. The problem is more that spirits naturally embody emotional extremes, and all emotions are unpredictable and dangerous and corrupt when taken to their extremes, only some more obviously or easily or directly than others. Justice becomes Vengeance when confronted with gross injustice it can't realistically overcome. Compassion becomes smothering when the people it wants to protect become so sheltered and weak that pain or misery is unbearable even though both are facts of life. A Pride demon might be a Courage spirit that got drunk on people who fought so hard and achieved so much that there was no longer any way for them to feel anything but superior. And as you say, the categories intermingle and overlap enough, like emotions, that any kind of spirit could conceivably become any kind of demon and vice versa under the right influence. And I don't remember anything in the games indicating that the categories aren't an imposition. Spirits are heavily influenced and attached to people's emotions, and when talking about feelings you've always had to just judge and call them as best you can because we don't understand them perfectly ourselves.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2019 20:49:47 GMT
choice. Spirit. whqat and you believed him Imshael is one of the Forbidden Ones, incredibly ancient and powerful demons that may defy demonic categories as we understand them. They may also have a connection to the Forgotten Ones of the Dalish. Other Forbidden Ones we've met were Gaxxkang (in DAO) and Xebenkeck in DA2. So we haven't seen The Formless One yet...
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