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Post by boxofscreaming on Mar 14, 2019 17:11:39 GMT
Alistair. It seems like every game he must have a forced cameo appearance. Overrated, Gary Stu character. I enjoy Alistair's personality, but I must say... he isn't fit to be a king. Or even a grey warden. He should slip into anonymity and never appear again. I dunno, he's an honest and decent guy - that's probably better than most kings. In general, kings don't get the job because of some sort of fitness for the role (I'm not sure anyone's really suited to have that much power).
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 14, 2019 23:48:09 GMT
There's no character that actively dislike enough that I would want to not show at all barring them showing being incredibly implausible. That said, I would be fine if Morrigan, Leliana and Cullen didn't show up. I don't hate them. I just feel that they've a little over exposed.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 14, 2019 23:58:31 GMT
Alistair. It seems like every game he must have a forced cameo appearance. Overrated, Gary Stu character. I enjoy Alistair's personality, but I must say... he isn't fit to be a king. Or even a grey warden. He should slip into anonymity and never appear again. Don't know why he wouldn't be fit to be a king or a Grey Warden. He did quite well as the king of Ferelden with those choices made. Surely much better than Cailan and Anora.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 14, 2019 23:59:43 GMT
Oh, I also really don't want to see Cullen again. I didn't want to see him in DA2, and I certainly didn't want to see him as my military chief in DA:I. Don't know what was the deal with him that Bioware insisted on him for 3 games. Guy supported the templars and Meredith all along, even with total mage genocide, and just went against Meredith when she said she was going to kill Hawke, and not arrest him/her, LOL, fuck you Cullen
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Post by Iddy on Mar 15, 2019 0:08:00 GMT
I enjoy Alistair's personality, but I must say... he isn't fit to be a king. Or even a grey warden. He should slip into anonymity and never appear again. Don't know why he wouldn't be fit to be a king or a Grey Warden. He did quite well as the king of Ferelden with those choices made. Surely much better than Cailan and Anora. He is a joke as king in Inquisition. There is a war table mission where he is supposed to negotiate with Celene, but fucks it up and needs the Inquisition to step in. Meanwhile, Anora handles it like it's a walk in the park. And as a grey warden, he puts his emotions above his duty.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 15, 2019 0:19:53 GMT
Don't know why he wouldn't be fit to be a king or a Grey Warden. He did quite well as the king of Ferelden with those choices made. Surely much better than Cailan and Anora. He is a joke as king in Inquisition. There is a war table mission where he is supposed to negotiate with Celene, but fucks it up and needs the Inquisition to step in. Meanwhile, Anora handles it like it's a walk in the park. And as a grey warden, he puts his emotions above his duty. Yeah, he isn't great in dealing with nobility, the game makes that pretty much clear. And I pretty much don't mind that, Celene is a prick anyway, just like Anora, that's why they go along so well. Alistair is a lot more fair with the people than Anora, and he cares much more about what it's right, while Anora will do anything to keep herself in power, because that's what only matters to her. And it's funny you saying Alistair puts his emotion above his duty as a Grey Warden. Doesn't Anora does the same thing to remain queen? She even testifies against you, unless you ensure her you'll support her claim to the throne. "Fuck the people and Ferelden, I want to stay on the throne, period". That's much worse than anything Alistair does. And while Alistair really let his personal feelings get in his way ONCE (it's much less a trait on his personality than it is with Anora's hunger for power), I also understand his point: joining the Grey Wardens, on his view, should be an honor, not a form of punishment. So a guy evades the law and joins the Grey Warden as if he was going to jail? I understand the pragmatics of it, but it's at least questionable morally. Also, the crime was really against the Grey Wardens. Loghain pretty much left them all to die, would you like that guy join your ranks? How could you trust him as a warden? What assurance you have that he will do his duty as a warden? What's stopping him from stabbing the order in the back again?
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 15, 2019 0:41:18 GMT
I don't wanna see Tallis. I'm not particularly fond of her character in the first place, and the poor way they ended Mark of the Assassin means it'd be hard not to go OOC and start looking for the "kill" button regardless of context (if they even allowed it anyway).
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Post by colfoley on Mar 15, 2019 1:29:03 GMT
Oh, I also really don't want to see Cullen again. I didn't want to see him in DA2, and I certainly didn't want to see him as my military chief in DA:I. Don't know what was the deal with him that Bioware insisted on him for 3 games. Guy supported the templars and Meredith all along, even with total mage genocide, and just went against Meredith when she said she was going to kill Hawke, and not arrest him/her, LOL, fuck you Cullen Cullen is popular with the community and his romance was great in Inquisition. As far as the more supposed inconsonsitencies in his character it does make a lot of sense that he would be more tolerant of Meredith in the beginning, only to turn on her because she went A. bat shit crazy and B. also really became super powerful and unhinged and Cullen could have easily determined that she was the larger threat, even beyond Hawke. As far as him not arresting Hawke well A. Hawke just did rip their way through a lot of mages and Templars B. there was enough blood shed as it was and C. I guess technically they did just fight together? I forget exactly if Cullen and her joined forces to take down Meredith.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 15, 2019 1:53:48 GMT
Oh, I also really don't want to see Cullen again. I didn't want to see him in DA2, and I certainly didn't want to see him as my military chief in DA:I. Don't know what was the deal with him that Bioware insisted on him for 3 games. Guy supported the templars and Meredith all along, even with total mage genocide, and just went against Meredith when she said she was going to kill Hawke, and not arrest him/her, LOL, fuck you Cullen Cullen is popular with the community and his romance was great in Inquisition. As far as the more supposed inconsonsitencies in his character it does make a lot of sense that he would be more tolerant of Meredith in the beginning, only to turn on her because she went A. bat shit crazy and B. also really became super powerful and unhinged and Cullen could have easily determined that she was the larger threat, even beyond Hawke. As far as him not arresting Hawke well A. Hawke just did rip their way through a lot of mages and Templars B. there was enough blood shed as it was and C. I guess technically they did just fight together? I forget exactly if Cullen and her joined forces to take down Meredith. Cullen joined forces with Hawke only after Meredith threatens to kill Hawke. Then he says "I thought we were supposed only to arrest the champion?", and then he turns on her. What I mean is: He supported Meredith's craziness and hunger for power all along, he helped her genocide the mages, but then turns on her because she decided to kill and not only imprison Hawke? That's pretty weird if you ask me. He didn't care about her being "bat shit crazy" or "super powerful", he only turned on her when she wanted to kill Hawke, which is a pretty bad reason compared to the other reasons he already had to turn on her.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 15, 2019 2:03:16 GMT
Cullen is popular with the community and his romance was great in Inquisition. As far as the more supposed inconsonsitencies in his character it does make a lot of sense that he would be more tolerant of Meredith in the beginning, only to turn on her because she went A. bat shit crazy and B. also really became super powerful and unhinged and Cullen could have easily determined that she was the larger threat, even beyond Hawke. As far as him not arresting Hawke well A. Hawke just did rip their way through a lot of mages and Templars B. there was enough blood shed as it was and C. I guess technically they did just fight together? I forget exactly if Cullen and her joined forces to take down Meredith. Cullen joined forces with Hawke only after Meredith threatens to kill Hawke. Then he says "I thought we were supposed only to arrest the champion?", and then he turns on her. What I mean is: He supported Meredith's craziness and hunger for power all along, he helped her genocide the mages, but then turns on her because she decided to kill and not only imprison Hawke? That's pretty weird if you ask me. He didn't care about her being "bat shit crazy" or "super powerful", he only turned on her when she wanted to kill Hawke, which is a pretty bad reason compared to the other reasons he already had to turn on her. Ah. In that case it is easier to see the invididual over large groups. 'The mages' are a faceless mass of people that he was already biased against (he also had his reasons) but Hawke was an individual who worked with him on more then one occasion and was well known as being a just defender of the city who could've been the personal face on exactly how crazy Meredith became. And granted while this could be me giving him more credit then he deserves but I always thought that Cullen was growing increasingly uncomfortable with the situation and Hawke was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 15, 2019 2:05:33 GMT
Cullen is popular with the community and his romance was great in Inquisition. As far as the more supposed inconsonsitencies in his character it does make a lot of sense that he would be more tolerant of Meredith in the beginning, only to turn on her because she went A. bat shit crazy and B. also really became super powerful and unhinged and Cullen could have easily determined that she was the larger threat, even beyond Hawke. As far as him not arresting Hawke well A. Hawke just did rip their way through a lot of mages and Templars B. there was enough blood shed as it was and C. I guess technically they did just fight together? I forget exactly if Cullen and her joined forces to take down Meredith. Cullen joined forces with Hawke only after Meredith threatens to kill Hawke. Then he says "I thought we were supposed only to arrest the champion?", and then he turns on her. What I mean is: He supported Meredith's craziness and hunger for power all along, he helped her genocide the mages, but then turns on her because she decided to kill and not only imprison Hawke? That's pretty weird if you ask me. He didn't care about her being "bat shit crazy" or "super powerful", he only turned on her when she wanted to kill Hawke, which is a pretty bad reason compared to the other reasons he already had to turn on her. He more and more questions Meredith's mental state (Hawke can speak with him about that) – but at the Act3, he says to Hawke, he still not see that madness in Meredith's eyes, what he saw in Uldred's... He waited that moment, when Meredith absolutely loses everything what human remained in herself. He got that moment... Until that, he did nothing. And in the Inquisition he still stands by Meredith's methods, say that they were harsh, but kept people safe... while Alistair (king) says, that Meredith's the greatest danger of the city.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 15, 2019 2:07:35 GMT
Cullen joined forces with Hawke only after Meredith threatens to kill Hawke. Then he says "I thought we were supposed only to arrest the champion?", and then he turns on her. What I mean is: He supported Meredith's craziness and hunger for power all along, he helped her genocide the mages, but then turns on her because she decided to kill and not only imprison Hawke? That's pretty weird if you ask me. He didn't care about her being "bat shit crazy" or "super powerful", he only turned on her when she wanted to kill Hawke, which is a pretty bad reason compared to the other reasons he already had to turn on her. He more and more questions Meredith's mental state (Hawke can speak with him about that) – but at the Act3, he says to Hawke, he still not see that madness in Meredith's eyes, what he saw in Uldred's... He waited that moment, when Meredith absolutely loses everything what human remained in herself. He got that moment... Until that, he did nothing. And in the Inquisition he still stands by Meredith's methods, say that they were harsh, but kept people safe... while Alistair (king) says, that Meredith's the greatest danger of the city. Turns out Cullen was wrong and Alistair was right.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2019 2:31:25 GMT
colfoley Ieldra You two took that joke post of mine way too seriously.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 15, 2019 4:08:24 GMT
Don't know why he wouldn't be fit to be a king or a Grey Warden. He did quite well as the king of Ferelden with those choices made. Surely much better than Cailan and Anora. He is a joke as king in Inquisition. There is a war table mission where he is supposed to negotiate with Celene, but fucks it up and needs the Inquisition to step in. Meanwhile, Anora handles it like it's a walk in the park. And as a grey warden, he puts his emotions above his duty. But he successfully raids the royal kitchen for cheese, and very impressively yells and points at the darkspawn before the battle for Denerim. That counts for something, administration-wise, right?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2019 8:36:08 GMT
I don't wanna see Tallis. I'm not particularly fond of her character in the first place, and the poor way they ended Mark of the Assassin means it'd be hard not to go OOC and start looking for the "kill" button regardless of context (if they even allowed it anyway). I'm 100% sure that Tallis was supposed to be our Qunari rep in DA:I, and BioWare subbed in Iron Bull when everyone hated her. Lol. And re: Alistair. I always make him King, but I'm fine with not seeing him again. He's had plenty of coverage, and the writers never actually do anything with all the plot hooks they stuck in him anyway.
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Post by eliscous on Mar 15, 2019 9:33:53 GMT
What about villians and characters like Teagan?
I am confident that he will atleast gets a cameo. Also for me slave Fenris cameo is a must for DA 4.
Here are mine.
Arl Teagan: I really hate Arl Teagan and DA 4 would be a better game if don´t show up.
Yes, I completely HATED what they did to Teagan in DA:I. He was quite a nice guy in DA:O, and in the DLC he just became a total dick. But yes, you may talk about side characters, but there aren't many I care too much, I guess. But I'd really love to see Bodhan and Sandal again. When I recruited the enchanter in DA:I, I really thought I was going to meet Sandal, but then... Dagna. Meh. You are so true What they did to Teagan is ..... unbelievable. I want my nice Bann Teagan back or none of him!
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Post by eliscous on Mar 15, 2019 9:50:25 GMT
I really like Alistair, Cullen, Leliana, Cassandra, Josephine, Zevran, Merrill, Varric but I don't want to see them in DA again because they all had a lot of screen time and I think their stories are over. I find their conclusions good and I don't want Bioware to screw that up! Please let them be happy off screen. As for Morrigan I hate her character and the way she is always force upon us. I don't want to see her again unless for the option of finally killing her. She also had a lot of screen time and her story can also be seen as over.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 15, 2019 10:53:52 GMT
I'm 100% sure that Tallis was supposed to be our Qunari rep in DA:I, and BioWare subbed in Iron Bull when everyone hated her. Lol. I don´t think this was the case. I can imagine that they decided that it was too much of a coincidence that Iron Bull know Tallis. They even made a dialogue out of that.
We don´t know if the War Table Tallis (if the player aided the Qunari) is the Felicia Day Tallis but the Trespasser note is clearly about the Felicia Day Tallis. If Bioware really don´t want to use Tallis whats the point of this letter?
I believe we will see her again in DA 4. Maybe not in a major role but she makes an appearance. She make sense to reappear in a DA 4 who has Tevinter as setting. Also she couldn´t be killed and is therefore always alive in every worldstate. And don´t forget she is an elven Qunari who was a former Tevinter slave. This mean
she has links to three of DA 4 major themes.
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Post by copper on Mar 15, 2019 13:40:14 GMT
Origins: I don't want to see anyone besides Sten and potentially Shale depending on what she's up to.
Awakening: I don't want to see Oghren since his story feels complete imo. Anyone else is welcome in any warden stuff going on.
DA2: I don't want to see any of them again, though I love them all.
Inquisition: I don't want to see anyone except Dorian. And I guess Harding if she becomes the bridge companion but I'm neutral on her. The only other one I can see making sense is Bull but he can only have a minor cameo so I'd rather just hear what he's up to from Dorian.
Basically I only want to see recurring characters if they make sense to be there and if there's a reason to continue their stories rather than introducing someone new.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 15, 2019 13:51:48 GMT
DA2: I don't want to see any of them again, though I love them all. No interest in Fenris? Especially for slave Fenris? No love for Solas? I agree returning characters must make sense to reappear in the first place.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 15, 2019 14:25:20 GMT
As for "making sense" for them to be there, well, anything could be invented about it.
It didn't "make sense" for Alistair, Leliana and Zevran to appear in DA2, but they still did, and I liked it. It didn't even "make sense" for Merill to be there. Also didn't make sense for Anders to appear in DA2. That one I didn't like so much, not because it didn't make sense, but because Anders became so annoying.
You can invent pretty much anything as for why the characters will be in Tevinter (and if I'm not mistaken, what wasn't even confirmed yet): Sten is obvious, Shale is obvious, Isabella could be pirating, Oghren could be on a Grey Warden mission (as Alistair, is he's not king and not left in the fade), every character in DA:I (plus Leliana and Morrigan) could be helping the Inquisition (except for Varric, he's got a job now), Merill could still wanting to find something about the eluvian, Zevran could still be fleeing the Crows. Only Aveline, Sebastian and Varric have a solid reason for staying where they are, and Wynne has a solid reason to be dead. The others you can invent anything to "make sense".
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Post by Iddy on Mar 15, 2019 15:02:35 GMT
As for "making sense" for them to be there, well, anything could be invented about it. It didn't "make sense" for Alistair, Leliana and Zevran to appear in DA2, but they still did, and I liked it. It didn't even "make sense" for Merill to be there. Also didn't make sense for Anders to appear in DA2. That one I didn't like so much, not because it didn't make sense, but because Anders became so annoying. You can invent pretty much anything as for why the characters will be in Tevinter (and if I'm not mistaken, what wasn't even confirmed yet): Sten is obvious, Shale is obvious, Isabella could be pirating, Oghren could be on a Grey Warden mission (as Alistair, is he's not king and not left in the fade), every character in DA:I (plus Leliana and Morrigan) could be helping the Inquisition (except for Varric, he's got a job now), Merill could still wanting to find something about the eluvian, Zevran could still be fleeing the Crows. Only Aveline, Sebastian and Varric have a solid reason for staying where they are, and Wynne has a solid reason to be dead. The others you can invent anything to "make sense". You're not proving that anything can be invented. All you did was mention examples where the writers didn't care if it made sense or not.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 15, 2019 15:04:18 GMT
As for "making sense" for them to be there, well, anything could be invented about it. It didn't "make sense" for Alistair, Leliana and Zevran to appear in DA2, but they still did, and I liked it. It didn't even "make sense" for Merill to be there. Also didn't make sense for Anders to appear in DA2. That one I didn't like so much, not because it didn't make sense, but because Anders became so annoying. You can invent pretty much anything as for why the characters will be in Tevinter (and if I'm not mistaken, what wasn't even confirmed yet): Sten is obvious, Shale is obvious, Isabella could be pirating, Oghren could be on a Grey Warden mission (as Alistair, is he's not king and not left in the fade), every character in DA:I (plus Leliana and Morrigan) could be helping the Inquisition (except for Varric, he's got a job now), Merill could still wanting to find something about the eluvian, Zevran could still be fleeing the Crows. Only Aveline, Sebastian and Varric have a solid reason for staying where they are, and Wynne has a solid reason to be dead. The others you can invent anything to "make sense". You're not proving that anything can be invented. All you did was mention examples where the writers didn't care if it made sense or not. Well, and it did work, IMO. I liked seeing them again in DA2.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 15, 2019 15:34:32 GMT
Varric. We don't need him in every single DA related media. Seriously. Also, Sebastian. And Cullen. I'm even ready to push his addiction, if they decide to give him a cameo in DA4.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 15, 2019 15:54:52 GMT
Yeah, Varric is too much of an inoffensive everyman and while I think he has more layers to that than, say, Garrus something in me just objects to characters I know I'm supposed to like. Also, I think he's earned his 'retirement' as Viscount. I do want to see Bianca though, her version of events and an abrasive character as a foil for what Varric represents might be interesting. I'm also lukewarm on Shale.
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