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Post by Sartoz on Apr 11, 2019 13:40:57 GMT
I think it is very bad news that Bioware are going to reuse code from Anthem as that signifies that the game will not be a single player RPG like previous Dragon Age games but an online game with payed content. From now on i will only buy games from Bioware only after going through the usual game checks that i use for all other games that are made from all other game companies apart for CDPR.
It doesn't signify anything of the kind. They used Frostbite for Inquisition and they are required by EA to use Frostbite for DA4. All that it means is that any improvements to Frostbite's capabilities made for Anthem can be re-used by the DA4 team without having to re-invent the wheel.
Of course DA4 may well be online anyway but, if so, it has nothing to do with the decision to re-use the enhancements and tools that were built into Frostbite for use in Anthem.
If mgt has stones, the decision will be made to make DA4 a MP looter-shooter and use ideas from HALO, and BF series. Minimise the need for crafting and inventory. Manage the battle flow as constant and active. Add a separate SP campaign with voice and cut scenes as per usual format but use the "new" combat mechanics.
What we don't know and Bio won't tell is whether these assets are tied to a specific game design or are of a general nature as in cut-and-paste. From what I gather, they are not of the latter case...
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 11, 2019 14:25:07 GMT
I think it is very bad news that Bioware are going to reuse code from Anthem as that signifies that the game will not be a single player RPG like previous Dragon Age games but an online game with payed content.No it doesn't. The only thing we can be sure of is that any expertise in the code base has a chance of being carried forward, along with any unfixed bugs. It doesn't say anything about the shape or gameplay of the final game. Fortnite is based on Unreal 4 and is multiplayer only with paid content, but Vampyr is also based on Unreal 4 and is SP RPG only, no online or paid content. That said, even if DA4 was not based on the Anthem code base, it could still end up being multiplayer online only with no SP RPG and paid content. Particularly the paid part. But that has no direct connection to which code base is used.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 11, 2019 18:34:53 GMT
I think it is very bad news that Bioware are going to reuse code from Anthem as that signifies that the game will not be a single player RPG like previous Dragon Age games but an online game with payed content. From now on i will only buy games from Bioware only after going through the usual game checks that i use for all other games that are made from all other game companies apart for CDPR.
It doesn't signify anything of the kind. They used Frostbite for Inquisition and they are required by EA to use Frostbite for DA4. All that it means is that any improvements to Frostbite's capabilities made for Anthem can be re-used by the DA4 team without having to re-invent the wheel.
Of course DA4 may well be online anyway but, if so, it has nothing to do with the decision to re-use the enhancements and tools that were built into Frostbite for use in Anthem.
I am not talking about Frostbite, i am talking about using code that is for an online game for single player that is not an online game so you explain to me how that will be done.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 11, 2019 18:37:28 GMT
I think it is very bad news that Bioware are going to reuse code from Anthem as that signifies that the game will not be a single player RPG like previous Dragon Age games but an online game with payed content.No it doesn't. The only thing we can be sure of is that any expertise in the code base has a chance of being carried forward, along with any unfixed bugs. It doesn't say anything about the shape or gameplay of the final game. Fortnite is based on Unreal 4 and is multiplayer only with paid content, but Vampyr is also based on Unreal 4 and is SP RPG only, no online or paid content. That said, even if DA4 was not based on the Anthem code base, it could still end up being multiplayer online only with no SP RPG and paid content. Particularly the paid part. But that has no direct connection to which code base is used. Sorry but they are going to use code from Anthem that is an online game so how are they going to do this for a game that is not supposed to be online?
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 11, 2019 18:40:18 GMT
I don't follow. Anthem plays OK without doing anything online.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 11, 2019 18:50:29 GMT
I don't follow. Anthem plays OK without doing anything online. Yes but Anthem is an online game and you have to be online to play the game. I thought that was obvious.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 11, 2019 19:01:21 GMT
I wouldn't know. While I have physically disconnected my PC from the internet to test how stuff plays during outages, I never did test this with Anthem.
Whether the inventory code would care about whether the game-world is local or remote requires a bit more data about how the code is structured than I have. Anyway, it doesn't matter; if local inventory works, then they just slap in the DAI module and call it a day.
But who says DA4 won't keep its game-world online? Hell, by 2022 I'm not certain local storage of game worlds will even be a thing for AAA titles. I wouldn't be surprised if EA goes to just streaming everything. Doesn't mean SP goes away.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 11, 2019 19:41:45 GMT
No it doesn't. The only thing we can be sure of is that any expertise in the code base has a chance of being carried forward, along with any unfixed bugs. It doesn't say anything about the shape or gameplay of the final game. Fortnite is based on Unreal 4 and is multiplayer only with paid content, but Vampyr is also based on Unreal 4 and is SP RPG only, no online or paid content. That said, even if DA4 was not based on the Anthem code base, it could still end up being multiplayer online only with no SP RPG and paid content. Particularly the paid part. But that has no direct connection to which code base is used. Sorry but they are going to use code from Anthem that is an online game so how are they going to do this for a game that is not supposed to be online? Neither you nor I know what code they are going to reuse from Anthem, so you can’t say it necessarily must be online solely because it may be based on Anthem code. What if they only use the Fort Tarsis portion of the code, which is single player? What if they use the environment code (swimming, waterfalls, tunnels) and flight mechanics for griffins, but not the loot and matchmaking? Frostbite itself was designed at the core to be online and first person, so by your logic, DAI should only have been online and first person. But it isn’t.
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Post by lennybusker on Apr 11, 2019 19:41:47 GMT
Oh so we're gonna start this already, a Dragon Age 4 skepticism thread where BDF buries their head in the sand and loudly proclaims shit like "NAHHHHH, DA4 won't be an online-only game!" and then never come out to say they're sorry and they were wrong once the inevitable happens?
Cause that sure was fun this time around.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 11, 2019 19:46:30 GMT
Oh so we're gonna start this already, a Dragon Age 4 skepticism thread where BDF buries their head in the sand and loudly proclaims shit like "NAHHHHH, DA4 won't be an online-only game!" and then never come out to say they're sorry and they were wrong once the inevitable happens? Cause that sure was fun this time around. Muh Inquisitor will be the PC is the better one to make fun of, if you’re going to be an ass about it.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 11, 2019 19:50:34 GMT
Oh so we're gonna start this already, a Dragon Age 4 skepticism thread where BDF buries their head in the sand and loudly proclaims shit like "NAHHHHH, DA4 won't be an online-only game!" and then never come out to say they're sorry and they were wrong once the inevitable happens? Cause that sure was fun this time around. This time around? I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Were people confused about what Anthem was going to be? As for online-only, why care about that? You need to put the threatening part of this in.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 11, 2019 20:12:47 GMT
Were people confused about what Anthem was going to be? No more than Bioware themselves, apparently.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Apr 11, 2019 21:14:33 GMT
Oh so we're gonna start this already, a Dragon Age 4 skepticism thread where BDF buries their head in the sand and loudly proclaims shit like "NAHHHHH, DA4 won't be an online-only game!" and then never come out to say they're sorry and they were wrong once the inevitable happens? Cause that sure was fun this time around. I'll bite, can you image an online service in a DA context?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 11, 2019 21:30:28 GMT
I wouldn't know. While I have physically disconnected my PC from the internet to test how stuff plays during outages, I never did test this with Anthem. Whether the inventory code would care about whether the game-world is local or remote requires a bit more data about how the code is structured than I have. Anyway, it doesn't matter; if local inventory works, then they just slap in the DAI module and call it a day. But who says DA4 won't keep its game-world online? Hell, by 2022 I'm not certain local storage of game worlds will even be a thing for AAA titles. I wouldn't be surprised if EA goes to just streaming everything. Doesn't mean SP goes away. Anthem is, essentially,an mmo. I’d be very surprised if you can play it with no internet.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 11, 2019 21:38:45 GMT
Sorry but they are going to use code from Anthem that is an online game so how are they going to do this for a game that is not supposed to be online? Neither you nor I know what code they are going to reuse from Anthem, so you can’t say it necessarily must be online solely because it may be based on Anthem code. What if they only use the Fort Tarsis portion of the code, which is single player? What if they use the environment code (swimming, waterfalls, tunnels) and flight mechanics for griffins, but not the loot and matchmaking? Frostbite itself was designed at the core to be online and first person, so by your logic, DAI should only have been online and first person. But it isn’t. Correct. none of us knows what will happen so until Bioware says what the game will be about everything is on hold from me until i know.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 11, 2019 22:58:37 GMT
I don't follow. Anthem plays OK without doing anything online. Lol. The more you post, the less I understand how I ever had a high opinion of you. Would have been a fine joke, I suppose, although it would have needed some setup. You can't even play the game without being online. Hello McFly.
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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 11, 2019 23:31:14 GMT
I wouldn't know. While I have physically disconnected my PC from the internet to test how stuff plays during outages, I never did test this with Anthem. Whether the inventory code would care about whether the game-world is local or remote requires a bit more data about how the code is structured than I have. Anyway, it doesn't matter; if local inventory works, then they just slap in the DAI module and call it a day. Generally, saves (including inventory) for online MP games are all stored online. Otherwise, it's too easy for players to edit them. Speaking of save game edits and other forms of game modifications - that's a huge reason why a lot of people want their games local only. People love mods, console commands, editing saves, replaying sections, etc. Some people eschew social media altogether, configure games to not share data, and generally go out of their way to try to maintain some semblance of privacy. Ever wonder what kind of psych profile someone somewhere might be building about you based on your gaming choices? I certainly have. Also, some of us are quite tired of having greedy capitalists imploring us to give them more of our money all day, every day, and would like a reprieve from that in our entertainment.
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Post by Thrombin on Apr 11, 2019 23:36:40 GMT
It doesn't signify anything of the kind. They used Frostbite for Inquisition and they are required by EA to use Frostbite for DA4. All that it means is that any improvements to Frostbite's capabilities made for Anthem can be re-used by the DA4 team without having to re-invent the wheel.
Of course DA4 may well be online anyway but, if so, it has nothing to do with the decision to re-use the enhancements and tools that were built into Frostbite for use in Anthem.
I am not talking about Frostbite, i am talking about using code that is for an online game for single player that is not an online game so you explain to me how that will be done.
Frostbite is the code used for the online game that is Anthem! It's the game engine upon which everything is written and it needed a lot of changes to get it to work for Anthem. I assumed from Casey's statement that he was referring to Anthem when he said they were going to re-use all the work they did getting Frostbite to work iwth the sort of things they needed to do rather than building everything from scratch. If he also meant that they would re-use other parts of the code not connected to Frostbite (assuming that's even a thing) then that's fine since it doesn't change my point.
The code that manages Anthem as a shared world is only a fraction of the code that makes the game. What about the code that allows for 3d flight, the animation of your character's movements, the user interface, the code that renders the landscape, the code that maintains an inventory, the code that maintains the codex, the code that handles the animation of the NPC's you talk to, the code that handles the loading and saving of game state, the code that manages the sound and syncs it with the action or with the direction that the character is facing, the code that allows for the different textures and colours on your Javelin...
There are hundreds of ways they can re-use code from Anthem even if it is exactly the same type of game as Inquisition.
Re-using code is just logical time and resource saving. It implies nothing about the actual type of game they end up with at all.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 11, 2019 23:40:26 GMT
I don't follow. Anthem plays OK without doing anything online. Lol. The more you post, the less I understand how I ever had a high opinion of you. Would have been a fine joke, I suppose, although it would have needed some setup. You can't even play the game without being online. Hello McFly. That's why I said " doing anything " online. Whether the game will or won't run without internet isn't of much interest to me, since my PC's never disconnected unless I pull out the WiFi stick. (My internet goes down about as often as I have a power outage. Yay me, I guess.) The question is whether being connected matters. I didn't see anyplace where it did. When would it?
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Post by Thrombin on Apr 11, 2019 23:42:34 GMT
I don't follow. Anthem plays OK without doing anything online. Lol. The more you post, the less I understand how I ever had a high opinion of you. Would have been a fine joke, I suppose, although it would have needed some setup. You can't even play the game without being online. Hello McFly.
Is that what people are complaining about? The fact that they have to be online to play?
I assumed it was just the shared world / co-op aspect they didn't like.
As an Xbox player I have had to play with an online connection on all of the Bioware games since Mass Effect 2 at least. Nowadays I save all my games on the cloud so playing offline wouldn't even be an option for any game I play.
What's the problem with the fact of being online? Do people not all have broadband now? Or are they planning to take their PC's on the underground or something?
If it's just the fact that you have to be online that is a problem for people I really don't get the issue
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Post by goishen on Apr 11, 2019 23:59:54 GMT
I thought that all BDF were Scientologists sent here to test our faith in humanity.
Huh. Still waiting to be disproven on that one.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 12, 2019 0:05:11 GMT
Lol. The more you post, the less I understand how I ever had a high opinion of you. Would have been a fine joke, I suppose, although it would have needed some setup. You can't even play the game without being online. Hello McFly. That's why I said " doing anything " online. Whether the game will or won't run without internet isn't of much interest to me, since my PC's never disconnected unless I pull out the WiFi stick. (My internet goes down about as often as I have a power outage. Yay me, I guess.) The question is whether being connected matters. I didn't see anyplace where it did. When would it? I live in the first world too. Not everyone does. Some people have metered connections. Some have data limits. Some of them satellite internet with tremendous latency. I know we all think about ourselves first, but my god look outside from time to time.
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Post by goishen on Apr 12, 2019 1:25:43 GMT
Or just look to Nebraska. Yah, I'm sure those cornfields have high speed internet. Fuck, I'm surprised that they're not still using dialup.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 12, 2019 1:37:35 GMT
Or just look to Nebraska. Yah, I'm sure those cornfields have high speed internet. Fuck, I'm surprised that they're not still using dialup. Honest Reflection: Not all of the USA is really first world anymore. Take a drive through Rocky Top, TN and you will see things that will blow your mind. I agree about Nebraska. Top radio stations all play the same thing - hog reports.
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