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Post by Catilina on Sept 20, 2020 23:07:57 GMT
You need 100% friendship/rivalry + his personal quest, QB to join to defend the mages immediately, or ~80% friendship (I'm not sure about rivalry) to join later, if Hawke convinces him. He needs someone who cares about him. If he doesn't trust enough, he will follow his fear. I need to try a playthrough with the 80% because I think it's believeable he would initially join Meredith in the heat of the moment, only to bail when he faces killing his lover. I love drama I suppose you know, his romance will not fulfil in game, so: you have just imagine, it will after the battle.
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Post by phoray on Sept 20, 2020 23:10:39 GMT
I suppose you know, his romance will not fulfil in game, so: you have just imagine, it will after the battle. Awwwww. Will he do it for a friend too, at 80%?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 20, 2020 23:22:20 GMT
I rival romanced Fenris with a sociopathic aggressive Hawke. I don't think it was weird, I think it worked for this particular relationship- they thrived together in their unhealthiness and codependency. It was really cool to roleplay that. It's just too bad they put so many words in Hawke's mouth come DAI, he would never have sacrificed for anyone or railed against blood magic, so never got to bring him forward. The easiest friendship with him was my sociopath(ish) red/purple blood mage. While I planned and he started with a hard rivalry. He loved Anders, and ended with him, but before slept with Fenris (three years...). He knew it was a mistake, and when he left, he considered this was the best way for both of them, but still had a crush on him... weird friendship... but Fenris and red!Hawke has mysterious chemistry. (I wanted to reload, after the romance scene, but I decided – it fits the character somehow.)
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Post by Catilina on Sept 20, 2020 23:23:27 GMT
I suppose you know, his romance will not fulfil in game, so: you have just imagine, it will after the battle. Awwwww. Will he do it for a friend too, at 80%? Absolutely. But you have to pick a good answer... and I'm not sure about the 80% exactly. But it around I suppose.
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Post by phoray on Sept 20, 2020 23:26:35 GMT
Awwwww. Will he do it for a friend too, at 80%? Absolutely. But you have to pick a good answer... and I'm not sure about the 80% exactly. But it around I suppose. That's where I'll have to do it then. Maybe sleep with him but move on to someone else, to give the DRAMA more weight. I still want to somehow get Aveline to give me that big speech about a life for a life, but it seems to require me to like...not play perfectly. which is very hard to do with Dragon age 2.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 20, 2020 23:37:28 GMT
Absolutely. But you have to pick a good answer... and I'm not sure about the 80% exactly. But it around I suppose. That's where I'll have to do it then. Maybe sleep with him but move on to someone else, to give the DRAMA more weight. I still want to somehow get Aveline to give me that big speech about a life for a life, but it seems to require me to like...not play perfectly. which is very hard to do with Dragon age 2. Indeed... I think it's hard. Maybe the Wiki can help with Aveline. I suppose the neutrality is the key – and don't finish her personal quest(s?). Her rivalry is harder than neutrality... for it, you just have to ignore her. Also, I suppose, you need Fenris (warrior) ... or Carver? (I just think, because of if you have Anders at Templar side, Merrill will turn against Hawke – if not, she will stay.) You know what was the drama? If I can imagine, my Hawke heard what Fenris said to Anders about him... (he will kill Anders, if hurts Hawke), and RIGHT after this, Merrill said: Fenris in love... It happened in game... In the Chantry... (He's like... "WHAT? Holy fuck! I didn't know...")
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 28, 2020 14:45:04 GMT
best companion ever? Maybe Definitely in my top5.
Interesting background. Interesting anecdotes. Questionable but deep and reasoned views of the world and human nature. Nice personal story and evolution. Very particular aesthetically and in style. original personality (very serious, but in a different way than like Sten or Sebastian, it makes a nice contrast with all the other comedians with the perpetually ready joke).
I hope to meet him again in DA4, he would fit perfectly in the Tevinter setting (even if I don't have much hope, since he can die).
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Post by Sokemis on Sept 28, 2020 14:59:08 GMT
I hope to meet him again in DA4, he would fit perfectly in the Tevinter setting (even if I don't have much hope, since he can die). So can Leliana, but that didn't stop her from being an advisor in Inquisition
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 28, 2020 16:04:15 GMT
So can Leliana, but that didn't stop her from being an advisor in Inquisition awful horrible awful thing. I hope it doesn't happen again...even if in the case of Leliana (and Anders eventual death in awakening) the "spiritic possession" can be somehow justified (sacred ashes nearby, justice nearby etc.) I wouldnt' ba against of something like mordin / paddock or wrex / wreav for Fenris and Merrill (two characters that can fit perfectly in a tevinter rebellion / solas evlen supramacy madness scenario)... a different character, with different dialogues but all in all the same role. Maybe done a little better "old" companions (no inquisition) that are 100% alive after all are very few... - morrigan (probably we'll saw her again but not in DA4) - sten (not 100% alive but I'm pretty sure he is the new arishok? Can have a big role) - varric (enough of him) - aveline (useless) - isabela (hope to see her again, great, great character) - sabastian (useless) - tallis (hope to see her again, so I can kill her ) Not a lot of choiches for cameos...
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Post by Catilina on Sept 28, 2020 16:42:05 GMT
So can Leliana, but that didn't stop her from being an advisor in Inquisition awful horrible awful thing. I hope it doesn't happen again...even if in the case of Leliana (and Anders eventual death in awakening) the "spiritic possession" can be somehow justified (sacred ashes nearby, justice nearby etc.) I wouldnt' ba against of something like mordin / paddock or wrex / wreav for Fenris and Merrill (two characters that can fit perfectly in a tevinter rebellion / solas evlen supramacy madness scenario)... a different character, with different dialogues but all in all the same role. Maybe done a little better "old" companions (no inquisition) that are 100% alive after all are very few... - morrigan (probably we'll saw her again but not in DA4) - sten (not 100% alive but I'm pretty sure he is the new arishok? Can have a big role) - varric (enough of him) - aveline (useless) - isabela (hope to see her again, great, great character) - sabastian (useless) - tallis (hope to see her again, so I can kill her ) Not a lot of choiches for cameos... Anders can die, but it happens off-screen: there is an explanation in DA2 "one mage in robe, like the others" – lame, but can work. The problem is: the Warden can give him to the Templars – in this case, he probably sentenced to death, or Tranquility, this is very clear. AND: he never met with Justice. This also true, if the Warden sends away him or Justice, or both... while, if Anders was recruited, they can meet, but not befriend... So: it worse than with Leliana... while I'm glad for this decision: Anders' merging with Justice is the best idea ever: like it's their fate, even if Hawke kills Anders, and whatever how we interpret them. Perfect! But about Fenris, I'm a little bitter – as he speaks about Hawke and the others in The Blue Wraith. Like they abandoned him, while it was not right – at least in my DA2 PT... especially in romance. However: if Hawke just left him to help the Inquisition (wtf, without him? – why, for Andraste's sacred ass!), with this lame explanation: "he would have killed himself to protect me". If Hawke just left him like this, probably secretly... or? I'm not surprised he's angry as fuck – not mentioned Hawke's possibly unnecessary and illogical sacrifice – for more drama and "hard" choice (sorry, Stroud, bye, Loghain!)... DAI is just... eh. So: we know, that Fenris lives, like Wynne and Shale (they also can die in DAO) in Asunder. (The Asunder's story is canon – I don't know, Blue Wraith is? True, Gaider said, the player can ignore the another medias... pft, thanks...)
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 28, 2020 16:59:00 GMT
(The Asunder's story is canon – I don't know, Blue Wraith is? True, Gaider said, the player can ignore the another medias... pft, thanks...) I would say that the golden rule is that the games + dlc are CANON A (so, every single playthrough of every single player is CANON A), and every other media is like, CANON B or C. Asunder it's Gaider's personal canon + a lot of headcanon, if you want. Informations and events which appear in CANON B (like Asunder) became canon A limitedly to what is incorporated in the following games. So, as long as Wynne and Shale fate is not mentioned in inquisition... they may have been canonically killed by the warden, and there is nothing in the canon A that can contradict/overrule this outcome. IMO. then, of course, it would be desirable to have the utmost respect for the players' choices. This is why I am very happy to go to the tevinter. A fresh new start, and potentially fewer problems/risks from this point of view.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 28, 2020 17:12:37 GMT
So, as long as Wynne and Shale fate is not mentioned in inquisition... they may have been canonically killed by the warden, and there is nothing in the canon A that can contradict/overrule this outcome. IMO. Wynne is mentioned in Inquisition (Cole mentions her), although if one didn't read Asunder, it's pretty much impossible to catch.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 28, 2020 17:48:31 GMT
But about Fenris, I'm a little bitter – as he speaks about Hawke and the others in The Blue Wraith. Like they abandoned him, while it was not right – at least in my DA2 PT... especially in romance. However: if Hawke just left him to help the Inquisition (wtf, without him? – why, for Andraste's sacred ass!), with this lame explanation: "he would have killed himself to protect me". If Hawke just left him like this, probably secretly... or? I'm not surprised he's angry as fuck – not mentioned Hawke's possibly unnecessary and illogical sacrifice I must admit I found the whole explanation regarding a romanced Fenris ridiculous, yet many people have attacked me for saying this. Of course Fenris would have killed himself to protect Hawke but I assume the same could be said for Hawke about Fenris. So to allegedly leave him behind for that reason was stupid. Why not go with Varric's explanation about where Fenris was and say he wanted to help rescue slaves so was off doing that while Hawke followed up on the Warden issue? It still wouldn't explain why he wouldn't have stayed with Hawke and then they went off to do this afterwards together but at least it gave him a valid reason to be somewhere else, rather than just Hawke "protecting" him. Mind you I was never happy that the epilogue to DA2 had everyone abandoning Hawke but their lover. Every run with Fenris where I did not romance him, we were friends and he indicated he wanted to carry on hanging around with me when I suggested he should do so. Let's face it Hawke was his only real friend. So to have him be so bitter about his former friends in Blue Wraith was jarring with my experience. So the only way I could explain it was the fact that he did resent Hawke making him save the mages, even though he might have not said so at the time.
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 5, 2020 15:13:53 GMT
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2020 15:59:00 GMT
I need this shirt This is hilarious (yes, and need this shirt!) but ... honestly a little unjust: "It's good I can still take pleasure in the small things." (Act1 – when he threw a bottle to the wall)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 5, 2020 16:51:24 GMT
I need this shirt This is hilarious (yes, and need this shirt!) but ... honestly a little unjust: "It's good I can still take pleasure in the small things." (Act1 – when he threw a bottle to the wall) The t-shirt is meant to be read as sarcasm
Fenris seems very fond of deadpan snarking, maybe that's why he also laughs so much as many of Purple!Hawke's jokes and puns
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2020 17:18:09 GMT
This is hilarious (yes, and need this shirt!) but ... honestly a little unjust: "It's good I can still take pleasure in the small things." (Act1 – when he threw a bottle to the wall) The t-shirt is meant to be read as sarcasm Fenris seems very fond of deadpan snarking, maybe that's why he also laughs so much as many of Purple!Hawke's jokes and puns Oh, of course! And purple Hawke with Fenris is fun.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 5, 2020 17:22:30 GMT
The t-shirt is meant to be read as sarcasm Fenris seems very fond of deadpan snarking, maybe that's why he also laughs so much as many of Purple!Hawke's jokes and puns Oh, of course! And purple Hawke with Fenris is fun. I like pairing him with either a blue or purple!Hawke, he needs a blue!Hawke because imo. they're caring (which he and many of the other companions needs), but he also needs a healthy dose of purple!Hawke in order to know and believe his future can be brighter again
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2020 18:42:56 GMT
Oh, of course! And purple Hawke with Fenris is fun. I like pairing him with either a blue or purple!Hawke, he needs a blue!Hawke because imo. they're caring (which he and many of the other companions needs), but he also needs a healthy dose of purple!Hawke in order to know and believe his future can be brighter again I wouldn't drop the red!Hawke. When I started Ralph's PT, I very much thought, it will be a hard rivalry – and ended with the feeling: (besides Anders, ofc.) he's the only who is able to bear Ralph's manners and temper (experience, how he reacted Ralph's red decisions – not pro-templar, he never did such decision in game, but provocative, risky, firm and fiery etc. By the way: he was never silent about his opinion, but was never rude to Fenris, when he spoke about his problems. I felt, the friendship path fits their relationship more, despite Ralph's very strong opinion (Anders' kind) about the mages. As I wrote here: the easiest friendship was with him, ever. It happened, I was not able to do his QB3 right after Danarius death, but with Ralph I closed the friendship with the first visit at the beginning of Act3. It was the red answer... Oh, but Ralph is red/purple... so he has some weird humour. There were some moments when I just felt: it would be perfect... if he wouldn't in love with Anders... (And such kind of red!Hawke is pretty good with Anders as well: a power-couple, so he stayed with Anders.)
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 18, 2020 22:05:15 GMT
This definitely happened. You can't convince me otherwise by Mariemarion
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 18, 2020 22:42:40 GMT
This definitely happened. You can't convince me otherwise Uuuuh... feet injuries creep me out. Wait one... he's isn't injured, it is just entrails stuck there. Well, I guess either of the two is the case every time he checks his feet.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 19, 2020 10:03:47 GMT
This definitely happened. You can't convince me otherwise Undoubtedly. Honestly, he was forever checking his feet in the background whilst I was talking to people. Merrill did too. One or other of them also mentioned about treading in something nasty at one point. Suddenly deciding to make all elves go barefoot was one of the stupidest design changes in DA2. Then they kept it going thereafter. What possible reason could the elves have for doing this? City elves can be explained by the fact they can't afford shoes but the Dalish? They live in southern regions that are freezing cold in winter, have innumerable rocks, stones and other features to rip at bare feet, not to mention creatures they spit poison, acid or whatever that you need protection against. Luckily Lavellan gets to wear human designed clothes the majority of the time and that includes decent boots. However, if you pick up some Dalish or other armour of elven design and once again you are landed with bare feet. May be that is another custom that they adopted not realising it was part of being a slave to go barefoot. My admiration for Zevran only increased once they introduced this idea about elves. He had such an admirable attachment to his boots.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 19, 2020 13:43:26 GMT
This definitely happened. You can't convince me otherwise Undoubtedly. Honestly, he was forever checking his feet in the background whilst I was talking to people. Merrill did too. One or other of them also mentioned about treading in something nasty at one point. Suddenly deciding to make all elves go barefoot was one of the stupidest design changes in DA2. Then they kept it going thereafter. What possible reason could the elves have for doing this? City elves can be explained by the fact they can't afford shoes but the Dalish? They live in southern regions that are freezing cold in winter, have innumerable rocks, stones and other features to rip at bare feet, not to mention creatures they spit poison, acid or whatever that you need protection against. Luckily Lavellan gets to wear human designed clothes the majority of the time and that includes decent boots. However, if you pick up some Dalish or other armour of elven design and once again you are landed with bare feet. May be that is another custom that they adopted not realising it was part of being a slave to go barefoot. My admiration for Zevran only increased once they introduced this idea about elves. He had such an admirable attachment to his boots. Not mentioned... Fenris is NOT dalish... He spoke about Danarius made him Qunari mage to mock him – but never mentioned, Danarius made him dalish elf... He was among the Fog Warriors, for a while, not the dalish... Fenris has nothing with dalish...only their bare foot... Double bullshit...
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 19, 2020 17:13:19 GMT
Fenris has nothing with dalish...only their bare foot... Like I say, they did it with all the elves, not just the Dalish, which was weird. Actually I could understand Denarius making him go barefoot, perhaps to emphasise he is his "little wolf" or to degrade him in some other way but that would be all the more reason for him to wear shoes when he could. The reason I mentioned it as some Dalish custom, perhaps based on some pictures they had seen or something, is that Felassan is also said to go barefoot in Masked Empire, unlike Briala who is properly attired as the Empress's servant. So either it was an ancient elven thing (Solas goes barefoot too when we first meet him) or he went like that to blend in with the Dalish he was mixing with. I would imagine that most slaves working for wealthy Altus would have proper foot attire because their owners would see it as a status symbol to have their slaves properly clothed, thus distinguishing them from the paupers of the slums even if they are free. So I really hope we have seen the last of the bare foot elves when we get to Tevinter, even if Solas' followers still insist on being that way. I don't know whose idea it was to come up with that design feature for elves in DA2 because even David Gaider didn't like it but presumably he was out voted on the decision to keep it.
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