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Post by Noxluxe on Jan 2, 2020 22:18:09 GMT
Nah, we know it's not the only way to play him, because the only person who went for that voice was game's American VO. In every other language Geralt speaks like a normal human and the same is true for Netflix series VO's as well as the original Polish film adaptation. Cavill liked Doug Cockle's interpretation and based his voice on it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, I would rather hear him speak normally, or at least tone it down a bit.
The thing that bugs me the most throughout. I've avoided the American VO of the games for two series playthroughs now on account of Doug Cockle's performance, and Cavil actually escalates it from that. Book Geralt is just a melancholic dude, game Geralt is a wet blanket who's tired of everybody not doing what he wants to do, and Netflix Geralt is a moody, aggressive douchebag who gives people death stares just for talking to him and talks like he wants to draw his sword at the end of every sentence. I can see why they maybe thought they needed Cavil's star power to break into the mainstream consciousness, and it's nice that he's a fan of the franchise, and he really does kill it in the fight scenes except for the shots focusing on his face. But as it is it feels like his scenes basically all rock more in spite of him than because of him. Yennefer's actress too kicked ass until they removed the prosthetics, at which point she turned into this permanently irresponsible and dissatisfied barbie doll outside those moments where she's wracked with grief or lust for power, at which point her performance becomes unexpectedly passionate and visceral. And Ciri is just kinda... meh. And it's really annoying because basically everyone else in the show is cast to perfection and a joy to behold. But they dropped the ball on the lead characters.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jan 2, 2020 22:50:33 GMT
Nah, we know it's not the only way to play him, because the only person who went for that voice was game's American VO. In every other language Geralt speaks like a normal human and the same is true for Netflix series VO's as well as the original Polish film adaptation. Cavill liked Doug Cockle's interpretation and based his voice on it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, I would rather hear him speak normally, or at least tone it down a bit.
The thing that bugs me the most throughout. I've avoided the American VO of the games for two series playthroughs now on account of Doug Cockle's performance, and Cavil actually escalates it from that. Book Geralt is just a melancholic dude, game Geralt is a wet blanket who's tired of everybody not doing what he wants to do, and Netflix Geralt is a moody, aggressive douchebag who gives people death stares just for talking to him and talks like he wants to draw his sword at the end of every sentence. I can see why they maybe thought they needed Cavil's star power to break into the mainstream consciousness, and it's nice that he's a fan of the franchise, and he really does kill it in the fight scenes except for the shots focusing on his face. But as it is it feels like his scenes basically all rock more in spite of him than because of him. Yennefer's actress too kicked ass until they removed the prosthetics, at which point she turned into this permanently irresponsible and dissatisfied barbie doll outside those moments where she's wracked with grief or lust for power, at which point her performance becomes unexpectedly passionate and visceral. And Ciri is just kinda... meh. And it's really annoying because basically everyone else in the show is cast to perfection and a joy to behold. But they dropped the ball on the lead characters. That was my opinion on Cavill's acting after about 3 or 4 episodes, but it seemed like he got a bit less intense. It definitely gets better if Jaskier is in the same shot, he's the polar opposite of an overdone badass
I like Anya's interpretation of Yennefer though, she had a very hard job since her arc spans through about 90 years and pretty much every time we see her, she's in a very different moment of her life. I think Anya played it well and Yennefer is a complete dick sometimes, so being "irresponsible and dissatisfied barbie doll" is in character
Ciri was meh, but she didn't have much to do besides running, so I won't blame actress for it. In short stories she was still just a kid anyway, she becomes an independent character a bit later on.
Btw. Cavill got a lot of praise for this role and everyone is shittin on Triss and Fringilla casting choices, so it's interesting to see someone with a completely different point of view
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 2, 2020 23:14:37 GMT
At the risk of being excommunicated, I'll confess that I watched the first episode and thought it was terrible. It's an astoundingly ugly show, with bad costumes, props, sets, effects, and cinematography. The quality of the acting is inconsistent and Cavill (never a particularly good actor in my book) utterly fails to sell the part. Everything just looks cheap; the best way I've seen it put is that it comes across like one of those cheesy 90s B-list fantasy shows a la Hercules and Xena, except it's supposed to have a budget comparable to the likes of Westworld and Game of Thrones, and far beyond, say, The Last Kingdom, all much better looking shows.
I think the bad first impression is compounded by watching it right after Carnival Row, a fantasy show that for all its faults is much, much prettier and well put together. About the only redeeming quality in the first episode of The Witcher I can think of is that the fight choreography at the end was on point. The dialogue is also cringey and the plot structure struck me as a complete mess, which I confirmed when my Witcher-agnostic friends said they had no idea what was going on. I expected little from this, but they really outdid themselves in the worst way possible.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jan 3, 2020 0:54:31 GMT
At the risk of being excommunicated, I'll confess that I watched the first episode and thought it was terrible. It's an astoundingly ugly show, with bad costumes, props, sets, effects, and cinematography. The quality of the acting is inconsistent and Cavill (never a particularly good actor in my book) utterly fails to sell the part. Everything just looks cheap; the best way I've seen it put is that it comes across like one of those cheesy 90s B-list fantasy shows a la Hercules and Xena, except it's supposed to have a budget comparable to the likes of Westworld and Game of Thrones, and far beyond, say, The Last Kingdom, all much better looking shows. I think the bad first impression is compounded by watching it right after Carnival Row, a fantasy show that for all its faults is much, much prettier and well put together. About the only redeeming quality in the first episode of The Witcher I can think of is that the fight choreography at the end was on point. The dialogue is also cringey and the plot structure struck me as a complete mess, which I confirmed when my Witcher-agnostic friends said they had no idea what was going on. I expected little from this, but they really outdid themselves in the worst way possible. That was my first reaction too. The Witcher's setting is a shitty and disgusting mess, definitely, but it's still colorful and lively, and tinging everything with grey and brown is a really outdated way to make something look medieval-y. The court costumes seen especially in episode 4 are properly gorgeous, but most of the non-Cintran armors look objectively silly, including Geralt's. It's most on display in episode 1 though. 2 features some nicer sets and a lot of open country, which is a relief, 3 has a more overtly gothic tone that's done pretty well and 4 is where I started enjoying the show for real. Otherwise you're right, it feels more like a Hercules or Xena with better effects and marginally better cinematography than the new Game of Thrones. Having absolutely loved those shows for years and years though, that's not as much of an indictment as you may think it is. And certainly the base material is more thoughtful than those were, even if it could have been implemented with more... clarity. That was my opinion on Cavill's acting after about 3 or 4 episodes, but it seemed like he got a bit less intense. It definitely gets better if Jaskier is in the same shot, he's the polar opposite of an overdone badass I like Anya's interpretation of Yennefer though, she had a very hard job since her arc spans through about 90 years and pretty much every time we see her, she's in a very different moment of her life. I think Anya played it well and Yennefer is a complete dick sometimes, so being "irresponsible and dissatisfied barbie doll" is in character Ciri was meh, but she didn't have much to do besides running, so I won't blame actress for it. In short stories she was still just a kid anyway, she becomes an independent character a bit later on. Btw. Cavill got a lot of praise for this role and everyone is shittin on Triss and Fringilla casting choices, so it's interesting to see someone with a completely different point of view You're right that Yennefer is in a different part of her life every time we see her, but that's just it, it doesn't really feel like that. At every point after episode 3 she comes off as the same prissy young lady who thinks unglamorous work is beneath her, that all her mistakes are other people's faults and that she just deserves oh so much better. And moments in the books that have her showing true vulnerability and sensitivity in front of others are replaced with her just posturing, being condescending and mysterious and "powerful". The casting choices for Triss and Fringilla were both dubious, but the actresses ran with it and made likable and interesting impressions in their own right. I like that no particular attention is drawn to Fringilla coolly leading the reorganized Nilfgaardians in the first half after we saw her get hurt during her first tentative lessons and getting cheated out of her position by Yennefer decades earlier. The implied story of her personal journey in Nilfgaard is one of the few things they have going for them. Cavil's performance is a constant annoyance. He's doing the same thing as in Superman, lots of vaguely thoughtful-looking faces and intent staring while others are talking and then falling back on the same tone for every line of dialogue. Except Geralt is fifty times more complex than Clark Kent is. I really don't think he's up to it.
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Post by Wasserpest on Jan 3, 2020 13:22:31 GMT
I think it's a great show. I didn't realize the timejumps for some episodes, but it didn't confused me. Actors are mostly fine, not happy with Frangilla though. I fucking hate game Yen. But show Yen is fine.
What bothers me about Cavill is his wig. The actor has naturally super thicc hair, so you don't just set a wig on his head, you have to clip the natural hair to the head first. Jeez. Amateurs.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 3, 2020 17:56:40 GMT
Read a blurb about the show's setting....apparently it has Geralt meeting Yennefer while she is still a trainee at Aretuza?? Uh, that would be kinda weird given they are both about the same age in the books (90-ish) but if she's still in training than she's probably not much older than Ciri. I haven't gotten to their actual meeting yet (I'm part of the way through Episode 4), but I hope I'm not giving too much away to say that the show jumps around chronologically - the early scenes with young Yennefer aren't taking place at the same time as the scenes with Geralt.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 4, 2020 22:59:32 GMT
Back from holiday, we watched the last three episodes last night. Overall, I thought it was ok. It took too long to get moving and the time jumping exacerbated that. Thought the main 3 cast members were great, the rest of the supporting cast was hit and miss, though. Very pleased with myself for calling the "twist" in the dragon episode, especially as I've only played the games and can remember Zerrikania being mentioned precisely once Jaskier/Dandelion was the worst part of the show, for me, followed by the weird little side trip to Nazair. I get that Yen needed to see the "good" Nilfgard were doing, to know that they had to be stopped, but callbacks should have some impact emotionally, and I can't even recall the name of that researcher guy so.... Anyway, will definitely watch another season - whenever it arrives - hopefully the story will move along with more purpose ...now that the three principals are in such close proximity.
Also...Triss can't be dead, right? She was just wounded....right?
The way she was being cradled at the end, though. It looked like "final comfort".
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jan 5, 2020 2:53:58 GMT
At the risk of being excommunicated, I'll confess that I watched the first episode and thought it was terrible. It's an astoundingly ugly show, with bad costumes, props, sets, effects, and cinematography. The quality of the acting is inconsistent and Cavill (never a particularly good actor in my book) utterly fails to sell the part. Everything just looks cheap; the best way I've seen it put is that it comes across like one of those cheesy 90s B-list fantasy shows a la Hercules and Xena, except it's supposed to have a budget comparable to the likes of Westworld and Game of Thrones, and far beyond, say, The Last Kingdom, all much better looking shows. I think the bad first impression is compounded by watching it right after Carnival Row, a fantasy show that for all its faults is much, much prettier and well put together. About the only redeeming quality in the first episode of The Witcher I can think of is that the fight choreography at the end was on point. The dialogue is also cringey and the plot structure struck me as a complete mess, which I confirmed when my Witcher-agnostic friends said they had no idea what was going on. I expected little from this, but they really outdid themselves in the worst way possible. It's clearly flawed, but calling it terrible, I mean I've seen so many Netflix and Sci Fi shows at this point I don't think it's terrible. But I do share your criticism, namely, Netflix AAA production values are at the end of the day, budget shows. They're cheap and they cut corners. You can see it everywhere. I mean compare this to Outlander which has far superior....everything. Everything about Outlander is better than Witcher because it's a high budget production with proper talent on board. Witcher got the B team and it shows. It looks like a Sci-Fi channel original. And That's not a compliment.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2020 11:04:33 GMT
I know, Jaskier is an aquiered taste according to discussions here , but the actor playing him, Joey Batey, is such a sweetheart. Here is an interview with him (don't worry, it's in English, only the captions are Polish, because it was done during the Witcher premiere in Poland) - what a nice and humble person.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 7, 2020 1:59:51 GMT
Another version of this song:
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Post by nopersdeviv on Jan 7, 2020 3:04:32 GMT
Back from holiday, we watched the last three episodes last night. Overall, I thought it was ok. It took too long to get moving and the time jumping exacerbated that. Thought the main 3 cast members were great, the rest of the supporting cast was hit and miss, though. Very pleased with myself for calling the "twist" in the dragon episode, especially as I've only played the games and can remember Zerrikania being mentioned precisely once Jaskier/Dandelion was the worst part of the show, for me, followed by the weird little side trip to Nazair. I get that Yen needed to see the "good" Nilfgard were doing, to know that they had to be stopped, but callbacks should have some impact emotionally, and I can't even recall the name of that researcher guy so.... Anyway, will definitely watch another season - whenever it arrives - hopefully the story will move along with more purpose ...now that the three principals are in such close proximity.
Also...Triss can't be dead, right? She was just wounded....right?
The way she was being cradled at the end, though. It looked like "final comfort". Now that they've done their character intros and set the plot in motion I have no doubt season two will be a lot better... I wonder if we'll be seeing more scenes with sword fighting, that one at the end of episode one was great and I would figure we'll be getting introduced to the other Witchers .
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 7, 2020 4:11:28 GMT
Back from holiday, we watched the last three episodes last night. Overall, I thought it was ok. It took too long to get moving and the time jumping exacerbated that. Thought the main 3 cast members were great, the rest of the supporting cast was hit and miss, though. Very pleased with myself for calling the "twist" in the dragon episode, especially as I've only played the games and can remember Zerrikania being mentioned precisely once Jaskier/Dandelion was the worst part of the show, for me, followed by the weird little side trip to Nazair. I get that Yen needed to see the "good" Nilfgard were doing, to know that they had to be stopped, but callbacks should have some impact emotionally, and I can't even recall the name of that researcher guy so.... Anyway, will definitely watch another season - whenever it arrives - hopefully the story will move along with more purpose ...now that the three principals are in such close proximity.
Also...Triss can't be dead, right? She was just wounded....right?
The way she was being cradled at the end, though. It looked like "final comfort". Now that they've done their character intros and set the plot in motion I have no doubt season two will be a lot better... I wonder if we'll be seeing more scenes with sword fighting, that one at the end of episode one was great and I would figure we'll be getting introduced to the other Witchers . Hopefully so, yeah. There is a lot to like in terms of the "ingredients" they've assembled. So hopefully now that they have had their 'Avengers Assemble' moment, future seasons can move with greater pace.
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Post by nopersdeviv on Jan 7, 2020 19:00:03 GMT
Now that they've done their character intros and set the plot in motion I have no doubt season two will be a lot better... I wonder if we'll be seeing more scenes with sword fighting, that one at the end of episode one was great and I would figure we'll be getting introduced to the other Witchers . Hopefully so, yeah. There is a lot to like in terms of the "ingredients" they've assembled. So hopefully now that they have had their 'Avengers Assemble' moment, future seasons can move with greater pace. Yup...season 2 and 3 have been confirmed and they're in talks to go up to season 7. I think it'll get better as it goes along.
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Post by melbella on Jan 8, 2020 2:50:58 GMT
Another version of this song: Apparently someone created a W3 mod where Dandelion sings this song.
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Post by Chenowl Blanc on Jan 9, 2020 10:40:59 GMT
I finished the show during my Christmas break as well (like most people I suppose xD) and I thoroughly enjoyed it. My perception might be a bit skewed though, as I never ready any books or played the game before. I feel like this was good in some ways and not so great in others - I guess I missed a few Easter Eggs here and there, as the characters didn't mean anything to me. On the other hand, the casting choice many people critized (Fringilla, Triss, Jaskier) didn't affect me at all. I loved Jaskier as a character, the other two are not "important" enough for the story for me to have a strong opinion about them. After having finished the series, I started a W3 run - and I absolutely detest myself for not doing that sooner. What a gem! I haven't encountered any game where I felt that more heart and soul was put into the tiniest detail, and that's what makes it so extraordinary. Funnily enough, as I encounter a few characters in game now that I know from the show, I can start making comparisons. Show-Yen is much more charismatic thatn Game-Yen imho. She really nails it. And Jaskier/Dandelion is awesome as well. Another underestimated character is Tissaia - her acting is on point and she's one of those "grey area" characters I love so much. I've heard a lot about how it was bad they aged up Ciri - but honestly, I understand the reason. They cast her in an age that she can play teenie Ciri for a few years. Had they cast a child, they wouldn't have been able to let a story arc go on for a few months only in the course of a few years (or they would have been faced with the Bran-Stark-phenomenon who not-so-miraculously aged 9 years in the span of 3 or so). So I feel like it was a smart move. One more thing on the storytelling: I didn't find it nearly as confusing as I had anticipated. It's okay for me to be in the dark for an episode or two when eventually it all comes together - which it did. If anything, it'll encourage me to watch the season again in half a year or so, with more background information. I can see that being a different experience alltogether. Oh yeah, and then there's that:
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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2020 14:44:46 GMT
I finished the show during my Christmas break as well (like most people I suppose xD) and I thoroughly enjoyed it. My perception might be a bit skewed though, as I never ready any books or played the game before. I feel like this was good in some ways and not so great in others - I guess I missed a few Easter Eggs here and there, as the characters didn't mean anything to me. On the other hand, the casting choice many people critized (Fringilla, Triss, Jaskier) didn't affect me at all. I loved Jaskier as a character, the other two are not "important" enough for the story for me to have a strong opinion about them. After having finished the series, I started a W3 run - and I absolutely detest myself for not doing that sooner. What a gem! I haven't encountered any game where I felt that more heart and soul was put into the tiniest detail, and that's what makes it so extraordinary. Funnily enough, as I encounter a few characters in game now that I know from the show, I can start making comparisons. Show-Yen is much more charismatic thatn Game-Yen imho. She really nails it. And Jaskier/Dandelion is awesome as well. Another underestimated character is Tissaia - her acting is on point and she's one of those "grey area" characters I love so much. I've heard a lot about how it was bad they aged up Ciri - but honestly, I understand the reason. They cast her in an age that she can play teenie Ciri for a few years. Had they cast a child, they wouldn't have been able to let a story arc go on for a few months only in the course of a few years (or they would have been faced with the Bran-Stark-phenomenon who not-so-miraculously aged 9 years in the span of 3 or so). So I feel like it was a smart move. One more thing on the storytelling: I didn't find it nearly as confusing as I had anticipated. It's okay for me to be in the dark for an episode or two when eventually it all comes together - which it did. If anything, it'll encourage me to watch the season again in half a year or so, with more background information. I can see that being a different experience alltogether. Oh yeah, and then there's that:
I agree about Tissaia. The actress did a great job. I liked her in the tv show Ripper Street too, where she played Long Susan. I have rewatched the series again and I really like Triss, even though, I have encountered game Triss, I still like her better in the show. What I liked about her, especially in comparison to the more outgoing mages like Yennefer and Vilgefortz, who had a comment for everything, was that she asked questions and listened to the answers.She seems to be a thoughtful person. I have started reading the books, but haven't encountered Triss there.
I like Jaskier too, in both the series and the book. I haven't encountered him ingame yet (I think).
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Post by Chenowl Blanc on Jan 9, 2020 16:46:22 GMT
I like Jaskier too, in both the series and the book. I haven't encountered him ingame yet (I think). Me neither xD I just did one quest where you hear a lot of stuff about him, and what is said there just paints a very vivid picture. I can't get over the thing with his names though. In the books, he's called Jaskier - which is Polish for Buttercup. Some translator decided that that's not a good fit for a name and changed it to Dandelion. Weird decision imho, but fair enough. In the German version, however, he's called Rittersporn (engl. Larkspur), which makes no sense whatsoever - at least buttercup and dandelion are both yellow. Confusing, that. I prefer Jaskier as that doesn't carry any weird flower connotation for me.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2020 17:27:43 GMT
I like Jaskier too, in both the series and the book. I haven't encountered him ingame yet (I think). Me neither xD I just did one quest where you hear a lot of stuff about him, and what is said there just paints a very vivid picture. I can't get over the thing with his names though. In the books, he's called Jaskier - which is Polish for Buttercup. Some translator decided that that's not a good fit for a name and changed it to Dandelion. Weird decision imho, but fair enough. In the German version, however, he's called Rittersporn (engl. Larkspur), which makes no sense whatsoever - at least buttercup and dandelion are both yellow. Confusing, that. I prefer Jaskier as that doesn't carry any weird flower connotation for me. Yes, because I have read the first book in German, I know him as Rittersporn. I don't know, if the translators thought, Buttercup wasn't manly enough, no idea.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 9, 2020 17:48:20 GMT
Me neither xD I just did one quest where you hear a lot of stuff about him, and what is said there just paints a very vivid picture. I can't get over the thing with his names though. In the books, he's called Jaskier - which is Polish for Buttercup. Some translator decided that that's not a good fit for a name and changed it to Dandelion. Weird decision imho, but fair enough. In the German version, however, he's called Rittersporn (engl. Larkspur), which makes no sense whatsoever - at least buttercup and dandelion are both yellow. Confusing, that. I prefer Jaskier as that doesn't carry any weird flower connotation for me. Yes, because I have read the first book in German, I know him as Rittersporn. I don't know, if the translators thought, Buttercup wasn't manly enough, no idea. Probably. The English translations of the books and the games use Dandelion and the show uses Jaskier, so I’ve started using them interchangeably. I like that Dandelion can be punned with “Dandy Lion” though.
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Post by melbella on Jan 10, 2020 1:45:10 GMT
I like that Dandelion can be punned with “Dandy Lion” though. Which is probably intentional, since he is kind of a dandy.
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Post by Tittus on Jan 10, 2020 3:34:01 GMT
Although Anya is a good actress, I still think that she's too young for the role. A more mature look would give more force to the character. idk maybe I just like older women and the low tone of game Yen's voice.
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Post by dazk on Jan 12, 2020 2:25:41 GMT
So got to watch the first three episodes last night and enjoyed them, but how people can like that song is beyond me it is in my opinion terrible.
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Post by nopersdeviv on Jan 12, 2020 4:59:01 GMT
So got to watch the first three episodes last night and enjoyed them, but how people can like that song is beyond me it is in my opinion terrible. It...kinda grows on you and Joey Batey really did a good job of it.
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Post by Chenowl Blanc on Jan 13, 2020 8:02:36 GMT
So got to watch the first three episodes last night and enjoyed them, but how people can like that song is beyond me it is in my opinion terrible. REPORTED! Tbh, I don't know myself. I just thought it was plain awesome from the first time I heard it. ^^ And believe me, I wish it were different, then maybe it wouldn't be stuck in my head all the time.
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