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Post by themikefest on Sept 25, 2019 14:10:36 GMT
For what reason exactly? Lack of military background or abilities? Both. When first seeing her, she admits she hit the wrong buttom trapping herself in the bubble. Careless on her part without knowing what she was pushing. Or was it because she panicked when the geth showed up? Maybe both. Then she cowers like a little wimp when the krogan wants to take her. Those are two traits I wouldn't want a squadmate to have. There's another. When taken on Ilos, she wants to stay to investigate the ruins instead pursuing Saren. I like to have a squadmate focus on the mission. If you want to study the ruins, come back on your own time to do that. Yes there are a few others. Javik I have no problem with, but I call him Javik the Great. Ah yes, Jack. The undisciplined little punk with the potty mouth. The only thing I like about her is her tattoos. I would rather have had Samara be mandatory and Jack be optional. On the old forum, several folks would have combined Shiala and Liara into one character. With Shiala, I would have Shepard bring her to the council to tell them what she told Shepard. After that, the council would suggest bringing her along since she may provide more information that could help with finding and dealing with Saren. 2 things bothered me about the dogtags. Why is there two versions of how T'soni got them? And why would Hackett give them to Liara instead of Shepard's mother, if playing as a spacer? Since you mention Miranda, I've noticed in a few of your posts, you don't like her. That's fine. Here's a what if question. What if instead of Liara showing up in the broker dlc, it was Miranda. Everything is the same except it's Miranda? Would you be ok with that with her doing all the same stuff that Liara did? How about Jack? Jacob, Conrad, Javik or anyone else? For me, I would give that character a hard time. I find the armor being on display very disturbing, and not making any effort to inform anyone about Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus. I would end any relationship I had with that character. I would not trust that character anymore since I have no idea why they would do that. I would not want to be around that character anymore. As I said, I would be curious as to why Bioware would have Shepard say that. If there's to be an ME4, I would reduce her content. How much? About as much if Liara didn't show up after the first two dreams, and remove the scene with her after Shepard talked with holo-Hackett about Mars.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 25, 2019 15:20:24 GMT
Well, Liara got extra content because she was a returning ME1 character who was both popular and guaranteed to be alive. Dn't know if that guarantee would still apply to a hypothetical ME4; depends on the specifics.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 25, 2019 15:22:12 GMT
Extra content that didn't make sense for her to have.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 25, 2019 15:28:50 GMT
*shrugs* Bio didn't want to eat the cost of doing multiple versions of the scenes, even if they had stored the variables to route the game to a better option appropriately (not certain if they did that or not). Can't really blame them, since, again, Liara was popular, and this is probably the satisficing option.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 25, 2019 15:35:34 GMT
Eat the cost of doing mutliple versions? How about not having the asari show up in those scenes at all? How much would have been saved if that happened?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 25, 2019 20:17:11 GMT
For what reason exactly? Lack of military background or abilities? Both. When first seeing her, she admits she hit the wrong buttom trapping herself in the bubble. Careless on her part without knowing what she was pushing. Or was it because she panicked when the geth showed up? Maybe both. Then she cowers like a little wimp when the krogan wants to take her. Those are two traits I wouldn't want a squadmate to have. There's another. When taken on Ilos, she wants to stay to investigate the ruins instead pursuing Saren. I like to have a squadmate focus on the mission. If you want to study the ruins, come back on your own time to do that. Yes there are a few others. Javik I have no problem with, but I call him Javik the Great. Ah yes, Jack. The undisciplined little punk with the potty mouth. The only thing I like about her is her tattoos. I would rather have had Samara be mandatory and Jack be optional. On the old forum, several folks would have combined Shiala and Liara into one character. With Shiala, I would have Shepard bring her to the council to tell them what she told Shepard. After that, the council would suggest bringing her along since she may provide more information that could help with finding and dealing with Saren. 2 things bothered me about the dogtags. Why is there two versions of how T'soni got them? And why would Hackett give them to Liara instead of Shepard's mother, if playing as a spacer? Since you mention Miranda, I've noticed in a few of your posts, you don't like her. That's fine. Here's a what if question. What if instead of Liara showing up in the broker dlc, it was Miranda. Everything is the same except it's Miranda? Would you be ok with that with her doing all the same stuff that Liara did? How about Jack? Jacob, Conrad, Javik or anyone else? For me, I would give that character a hard time. I find the armor being on display very disturbing, and not making any effort to inform anyone about Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus. I would end any relationship I had with that character. I would not trust that character anymore since I have no idea why they would do that. I would not want to be around that character anymore. As I said, I would be curious as to why Bioware would have Shepard say that. If there's to be an ME4, I would reduce her content. How much? About as much if Liara didn't show up after the first two dreams, and remove the scene with her after Shepard talked with holo-Hackett about Mars. You may not like her but she is popu6enough for Bioware not to do that, however I doubt you'll get the ME4 you're wanting since we already have a ME4.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 27, 2019 0:00:02 GMT
Both. When first seeing her, she admits she hit the wrong buttom trapping herself in the bubble. Careless on her part without knowing what she was pushing. Or was it because she panicked when the geth showed up? Maybe both. Then she cowers like a little wimp when the krogan wants to take her. Those are two traits I wouldn't want a squadmate to have. There's another. When taken on Ilos, she wants to stay to investigate the ruins instead pursuing Saren. I like to have a squadmate focus on the mission. If you want to study the ruins, come back on your own time to do that. Yes there are a few others. Javik I have no problem with, but I call him Javik the Great. Ah yes, Jack. The undisciplined little punk with the potty mouth. The only thing I like about her is her tattoos. I would rather have had Samara be mandatory and Jack be optional. On the old forum, several folks would have combined Shiala and Liara into one character. With Shiala, I would have Shepard bring her to the council to tell them what she told Shepard. After that, the council would suggest bringing her along since she may provide more information that could help with finding and dealing with Saren. 2 things bothered me about the dogtags. Why is there two versions of how T'soni got them? And why would Hackett give them to Liara instead of Shepard's mother, if playing as a spacer? Since you mention Miranda, I've noticed in a few of your posts, you don't like her. That's fine. Here's a what if question. What if instead of Liara showing up in the broker dlc, it was Miranda. Everything is the same except it's Miranda? Would you be ok with that with her doing all the same stuff that Liara did? How about Jack? Jacob, Conrad, Javik or anyone else? For me, I would give that character a hard time. I find the armor being on display very disturbing, and not making any effort to inform anyone about Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus. I would end any relationship I had with that character. I would not trust that character anymore since I have no idea why they would do that. I would not want to be around that character anymore. As I said, I would be curious as to why Bioware would have Shepard say that. If there's to be an ME4, I would reduce her content. How much? About as much if Liara didn't show up after the first two dreams, and remove the scene with her after Shepard talked with holo-Hackett about Mars. You may not like her but she is popu6enough for Bioware not to do that, however I doubt you'll get the ME4 you're wanting since we already have a ME4. Meh. It's kinda different. MEA is the fourth ME game but I think it is clearly meant to be seperate from the ME trilogy and any other game that take place outside andromeda. So while there may be four mass effect games there isn't really an ME4. the next mass effect game to take place in andromeda will probably called mass effect andromeda 2 or something like that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 27, 2019 4:22:17 GMT
Extra content that didn't make sense for her to have. Well, to be fair, making sense was something the games sometimes stumbled with anyway. I mean, we had a super-intelligent plant that not only made asari clones complete with biopics, but gave them clothes and a shotgun too. It’s basically just a matter of the popularity contest, which is why fan favorites like Tali and Garrus had spots reserved for them if they survived to ME3 and the others didn’t.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 27, 2019 12:31:30 GMT
the next mass effect game to take place in andromeda will probably called mass effect andromeda 2 From what I hear, Andromeda won't be in the title. They seem to be taking a more DA approach to ME, with a new protag and a different subtitle for each game. However, seeing as it is still early in development, that might change, in the end.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 27, 2019 12:32:46 GMT
It’s basically just a matter of the popularity contest, which is why fan favorites like Tali and Garrus had spots reserved for them if they survived to ME3 and the others didn’t. That is some bullshit.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 27, 2019 19:31:00 GMT
Bullshit meaning that Bio was wrong about the popularity, or wrong to use that data?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 28, 2019 1:01:48 GMT
the next mass effect game to take place in andromeda will probably called mass effect andromeda 2 From what I hear, Andromeda won't be in the title. They seem to be taking a more DA approach to ME, with a new protag and a different subtitle for each game. However, seeing as it is still early in development, that might change, in the end. I seriously doubt your "source".
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 28, 2019 17:06:50 GMT
I seriously doubt your "source". I think they want to avoid the baggage that the ME OT carried, by going this way and it makes sense. Which is why I believe it. And yes, there is a good chance it is false. I can only put forward what I have available, it shouldn't be your gospel. But we can talk about it. We can talk about all these possibilities and let Bioware know what is not OK for us, for you, for me. And from there, they can have direction, because we can be constructive in letting them know what we don't want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 18:39:20 GMT
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2019 20:21:50 GMT
I'm not sure input from a board like this is all that useful for Bio. While any future ME game will no doubt have dealbreakers in it for some percentage of us -- our various positions on canon, continuity, and setting are not reconcilable -- pretty much any design will bring most of us back. For instance, while more Shepard is polling badly here, how many of us wouldn't pick up the game, if only to see the trainwreck?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 28, 2019 21:27:53 GMT
From what I hear, Andromeda won't be in the title. They seem to be taking a more DA approach to ME, with a new protag and a different subtitle for each game. However, seeing as it is still early in development, that might change, in the end. I seriously doubt your "source". Yeah ryder seemed like he/she was gonna stay for the duration. That said I liked ryder (not nearly as much as shep but then I don't like any video game protaganist as much as shep) I just think a time jump of a few years would be good to make them seem more mature or something
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 2:43:36 GMT
I seriously doubt your "source". I think they want to avoid the baggage that the ME OT carried, by going this way and it makes sense. Which is why I believe it. And yes, there is a good chance it is false. I can only put forward what I have available, it shouldn't be your gospel. But we can talk about it. We can talk about all these possibilities and let Bioware know what is not OK for us, for you, for me. And from there, they can have direction, because we can be constructive in letting them know what we don't want. I've stated my preferences before and I don't see how this most recent "leak" of yours (regardless if it's true or false) changes anything. It's all still speculative... a mere possibility that has been brought up many times over the last two years as a possibility.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 29, 2019 3:57:31 GMT
I'm not sure input from a board like this is all that useful for Bio. While any future ME game will no doubt have dealbreakers in it for some percentage of us -- our various positions on canon, continuity, and setting are not reconcilable -- pretty much any design will bring most of us back. For instance, while more Shepard is polling badly here, how many of us wouldn't pick up the game, if only to see the trainwreck? I would probably buy any BioWare game that isn't first person. The main reason why I wouldn't want BioWare to go back to Shepard is that they have said Shepard's story is now done. To me that means they don't have any idea where they want to go with Shepard any more and if they aren't sure what they want to do at least for me that means that the game's story will be worse then what we got with Andromeda.
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Post by Polka Dot on Sept 30, 2019 4:59:53 GMT
Liara also by the time we meet her in ME2 and in LotSB had some money and could afford to send a team of mercs to get the rest of Shepard's armor because she liked or loved Shepard (if you romanced her) and wanted a reminder of her first true love. That's one interpretation. I think it's also useful to remember that Liara is an archeologist with a very long projected life span, and has a number of other (primarily prothean) artifacts on display. I could certainly see a case where a full spectrometer/chemical/whatever analysis of the material could yield some useful information wrt how that material held up in vacuum and re-entry into that particular atmosphere, which could influence future armor design. By the time Liara is middle-aged, that armor will be quite old and may have some value as a comparison of current versus older technology. Etc. In any case, I think it's possible that Liara's motives may not be entirely sentimental, but could conceivably have a professional component. I'm not sure input from a board like this is all that useful for Bio. While any future ME game will no doubt have dealbreakers in it for some percentage of us -- our various positions on canon, continuity, and setting are not reconcilable -- pretty much any design will bring most of us back. For instance, while more Shepard is polling badly here, how many of us wouldn't pick up the game, if only to see the trainwreck? It's certainly not an insta-buy for me. Far from it. It's pretty much guaranteed that it wouldn't be my (or anyone else's) MET Shepard. Different appearance. Different armors and weapons. Different (or no) classes and skills. Different animations. Different mechanics. Everything about it would look and feel different. It would be on FB, delivered as a live service (thus probably unmoddable), and might be party-based ala coop MP instead of AI squadmates. I suspect that any attempt to revive Shepard as the protag in a new game would ultimately be met with the same sort of reaction as the new Star Wars films. Some may appreciate the effort, others will complain endlessly about the perceived shortcomings...
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Post by Polka Dot on Sept 30, 2019 5:27:14 GMT
Honestly I think some of the geth survived the Destroy ending, I also think that they're the benefactor in MEA since everything in the MEA: Discovery comic, Suvi's comments about them having the FTL scans of the Andromeda galaxy and too all the scenes with the benefactor (with the benefactor jumping between different species) and Alec Ryder seem like they're the ones that help fund the Initiative. I don't think they're the ones that killed Garson however. I think that was Cerberus agents. Since there are former Cerberus agents and scientists that Pathfinder Ryder bumps into and so it wouldn't surprise me that Cerberus agents are hiding on the Nexus and the various arks or they have own personal ark.
Eh, I have to disagree. If they Geth show up in Andromeda, and I hope they do, if anything I imagine they’d have just built their own Ark. They are more advanced than us and they don’t need to worry about things organically do. As for the Benefactor, I think/hope it’s a group of people acting under the alias. Shh... a few million of 'em stowed away in a spare server on the Nexus. That's how it managed to evade major damage from the scourge. Once the organics obtain adequate resources, they might ask for platforms...
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 30, 2019 11:39:50 GMT
It’s basically just a matter of the popularity contest, which is why fan favorites like Tali and Garrus had spots reserved for them if they survived to ME3 and the others didn’t. That is some bullshit. I mean, why else would it happen? They either didn’t have the resources to put in all the assets to cover a larger portion of the crew in case they all survived, or they just selected what they felt would be the most popular characters to return either based on assumption or some data they got on it. I’m willing to lean on a mix of both, since ME2 had too many crew members anyway, and not all of them would even have a meaningful reason to return to the Normandy, like Zaeed, for example. I would bet they forgot that Jacob and Thane were even romance options a good while through development of ME3.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 30, 2019 13:20:19 GMT
I mean, why else would it happen? They either didn’t have the resources to put in all the assets to cover a larger portion of the crew in case they all survived, or they just selected what they felt would be the most popular characters to return either based on assumption or some data they got on it. I’m willing to lean on a mix of both, since ME2 had too many crew members anyway, and not all of them would even have a meaningful reason to return to the Normandy, like Zaeed, for example. I would bet they forgot that Jacob and Thane were even romance options a good while through development of ME3. That's just bad planning and weak developer skills, though. There's no reason why we should be the ones having to deal with Bioware's inadequacies. Because for every one product that Bioware fails to meet customer expectations, there is a non Bioware product that will.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 30, 2019 13:21:55 GMT
I think they want to avoid the baggage that the ME OT carried, by going this way and it makes sense. Which is why I believe it. And yes, there is a good chance it is false. I can only put forward what I have available, it shouldn't be your gospel. But we can talk about it. We can talk about all these possibilities and let Bioware know what is not OK for us, for you, for me. And from there, they can have direction, because we can be constructive in letting them know what we don't want. I've stated my preferences before and I don't see how this most recent "leak" of yours (regardless if it's true or false) changes anything. It's all still speculative... a mere possibility that has been brought up many times over the last two years as a possibility.
Well, maybe somebody else will want to engage in discussion. And again, I can only speak about the things I've been told, even if they are false. That's all.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 1, 2019 1:19:05 GMT
I've stated my preferences before and I don't see how this most recent "leak" of yours (regardless if it's true or false) changes anything. It's all still speculative... a mere possibility that has been brought up many times over the last two years as a possibility.
Well, maybe somebody else will want to engage in discussion. And again, I can only speak about the things I've been told, even if they are false. That's all. All you're doing is starting a rumor mill. Nothing more.
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Post by tatann on Oct 1, 2019 10:52:09 GMT
For what reason exactly? Lack of military background or abilities? Both. When first seeing her, she admits she hit the wrong buttom trapping herself in the bubble. Careless on her part without knowing what she was pushing. Or was it because she panicked when the geth showed up? Maybe both. Then she cowers like a little wimp when the krogan wants to take her. Those are two traits I wouldn't want a squadmate to have. There's another. When taken on Ilos, she wants to stay to investigate the ruins instead pursuing Saren. I like to have a squadmate focus on the mission. If you want to study the ruins, come back on your own time to do that. Yes there are a few others. Javik I have no problem with, but I call him Javik the Great. Ah yes, Jack. The undisciplined little punk with the potty mouth. The only thing I like about her is her tattoos. I would rather have had Samara be mandatory and Jack be optional. On the old forum, several folks would have combined Shiala and Liara into one character. With Shiala, I would have Shepard bring her to the council to tell them what she told Shepard. After that, the council would suggest bringing her along since she may provide more information that could help with finding and dealing with Saren. 2 things bothered me about the dogtags. Why is there two versions of how T'soni got them? And why would Hackett give them to Liara instead of Shepard's mother, if playing as a spacer? Since you mention Miranda, I've noticed in a few of your posts, you don't like her. That's fine. Here's a what if question. What if instead of Liara showing up in the broker dlc, it was Miranda. Everything is the same except it's Miranda? Would you be ok with that with her doing all the same stuff that Liara did? How about Jack? Jacob, Conrad, Javik or anyone else? For me, I would give that character a hard time. I find the armor being on display very disturbing, and not making any effort to inform anyone about Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus. I would end any relationship I had with that character. I would not trust that character anymore since I have no idea why they would do that. I would not want to be around that character anymore. As I said, I would be curious as to why Bioware would have Shepard say that. If there's to be an ME4, I would reduce her content. How much? About as much if Liara didn't show up after the first two dreams, and remove the scene with her after Shepard talked with holo-Hackett about Mars. To be fair, Liara is considered a young Asari and more than often acts like a teen. It's like Asaris live longer but their mind develop 10 times slower. What annoyed me the most was on Mars in ME3, you see her fleeing some Cerberus grunts in a conduit (which also shows how braindead they are if they can't even shoot her). She just seems panicky, turning her back to (moderate) danger, while all she needs to do is use her biotics Wasn't she supposed to be a badass after ME2 (even if you don't have her DLC) ?
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