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Post by Hrulj on Nov 17, 2019 16:31:49 GMT
Casey Hudson came out with concept art for ME5 and I can recognize locations, structures and people in them, London, Therum, Pijacks, Space cows, Normandy SR1, Ilos etc. I think this either confirms a remaster or original trilogy, redo to correct the story or continuation. Either way we’re back on Milky Way.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 17, 2019 16:37:29 GMT
I think it's actually old concept art. I didn't read too much into it. Looks cool though.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 17, 2019 16:44:25 GMT
Now all I can think about is if there is concept art of a pyjack pooping.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2019 16:45:59 GMT
Casey Hudson came out with concept art for ME5 and I can recognize locations, structures and people in them, London, Therum, Pijacks, Space cows, Normandy SR1, Ilos etc. I think this either confirms a remaster or original trilogy, redo to correct the story or continuation. Either way we’re back on Milky Way.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Nov 17, 2019 17:05:49 GMT
Isn't that from a date before MEA's release? Don't know if Bioware has reconsidered that since. On another note Hanako Ikezawa , where's that meme from?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 17:16:57 GMT
Casey Hudson came out with concept art for ME5 and I can recognize locations, structures and people in them, London, Therum, Pijacks, Space cows, Normandy SR1, Ilos etc. I think this either confirms a remaster or original trilogy, redo to correct the story or continuation. Either way we’re back on Milky Way. You're jumping to your own conclusion about what it means. Casey's tweet did not confirm anything other than they haven't abandoned the ME franchise. My reaction is still the same as always... we have to wait to see what they actually do. It won't be a confirmed anything until they make an official announcement. There's no point in getting excited about it either way. My preference still remains the same... a continuation of the story in Andormeda... and I'll take every opportunity I can to state it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2019 17:18:21 GMT
Isn't that from a date before MEA's release? Don't know if Bioware has reconsidered that since. On another note Hanako Ikezawa , where's that meme from? Mad Max: Fury Road.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 17:22:46 GMT
Isn't that from a date before MEA's release? Don't know if Bioware has reconsidered that since. On another note Hanako Ikezawa , where's that meme from? You'll just have to accept that the trilogy has ended, and you won't be getting a sequel, because there's no need for one.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 17, 2019 17:36:32 GMT
Casey Hudson came out with concept art for ME5 and I can recognize locations, structures and people in them, London, Therum, Pijacks, Space cows, Normandy SR1, Ilos etc. I think this either confirms a remaster or original trilogy, redo to correct the story or continuation. Either way we’re back on Milky Way. You're jumping to your own conclusion about what it means. Casey's tweet did not confirm anything other than they haven't abandoned the ME franchise. My reaction is still the same as always... we have to wait to see what they actually do. It won't be a confirmed anything until they make an official announcement. There's no point in getting excited about it either way. My preference still remains the same... a continuation of the story in Andormeda... and I'll take every opportunity I can to state it. Indeed other than to sa yMass Effect isn't dead they haven't said anything as t owhere it's going. I too want a contiuation of Andromeda
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Post by Buckeldemon on Nov 17, 2019 17:41:40 GMT
Isn't that from a date before MEA's release? Don't know if Bioware has reconsidered that since. On another note Hanako Ikezawa , where's that meme from? You'll just have to accept that the trilogy has ended, and you won't be getting a sequel, because there's no need for one. I do accept that, despite having some peeves with the MET.
I just got confused, thinking that you intended to reply to Hanako (thanks for the info, by the way), as I could not read the article linked, just the date. (Message to myself: Don't try to write several message at the same time. )
I would like to have the Andromeda storyline continued. Some players on this board think that making "more Shepard" will renew interest and generate sales, but I guess I don't think that Bioware could get Shepard "right" again, simply because everyone has a different view on how Shepard "should" be done, especially in regards to important plot choices.
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Post by Hrulj on Nov 17, 2019 18:28:55 GMT
I agree that we will see, but in all honesty its enough to read the comments on the tweet and understand that Andromeda 2 would be the death of Bioware and Mass Effect.
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Post by jclosed on Nov 17, 2019 18:42:11 GMT
If the next game is in the Milky Way and it's pulling Shep again out of the stinking grave, I won't play it and I won't buy it.
I don't like zombie games.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 17, 2019 18:52:57 GMT
I agree that we will see, but in all honesty its enough to read the comments on the tweet and understand that Andromeda 2 would be the death of Bioware and Mass Effect. Well, the question is whether any other approach wouldn't also be the death of Mass Effect. More MW and more Shepard poll badly among hardcore fans, for obvious reasons. (There's a reason the series went to Andromeda, after all.) The truly casual won't give a damn either way, also for obvious reasons. So the question is how many semi-casuals are out there. Edit: incidentally, Andromeda 2 was favored by a plurality of respondents to that tweet. However, the people who wanted Shepard back plus the people who wanted the MW back without Shepard seemed to be the majority by a slight margin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 19:18:14 GMT
I agree that we will see, but in all honesty its enough to read the comments on the tweet and understand that Andromeda 2 would be the death of Bioware and Mass Effect. We'll just have to wait to see. First, what they do and second, how the consumers react to whatever they do. I think that, if they go the remake route, they are going to have a huge problem meeting all the various specifics of people who have been demanding a remake for all these years now. So, we'll see... first, if they do what you say they've confirmed and how well any of you actually like what they do with it. My preference is still the same... a continuation of the story in Andromeda. All your fearmongering and trying to blame me for your predicted demise of Bioware isn't going to change what I like. I don't care what you like and you really shouldn't feel so threatened by what I like.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 17, 2019 19:37:54 GMT
If the next game is in the Milky Way and it's pulling Shep again out of the stinking grave, I won't play it and I won't buy it. I don't like zombie games. Yeah tbh as far as I'm concrened Shepard is don eif I wantto pla yas Shep again I'm quite happy to jus tboot up the trilogy again and do another playthrough like I did recently. I d owant ME to continue but leave Shepard and their crew behind their time is done.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 17, 2019 19:39:53 GMT
I agree that we will see, but in all honesty its enough to read the comments on the tweet and understand that Andromeda 2 would be the death of Bioware and Mass Effect. We'll just have to wait to see. First, what they do and second, how the consumers react to whatever they do. I think that, if they go the remake route, they are going to have a huge problem meeting all the various specifics of people who have been demanding a remake for all these years now. So, we'll see... first, if they do what you say they've confirmed and how well any of you actually like what they do with it. My preference is still the same... a continuation of the story in Andromeda. All your fearmongering and trying to blame me for your predicted demise of Bioware isn't going to change what I like. I don't care what you like and you really shouldn't feel so threatened by what I like. Yeah all we can d ois wait and see wha tthey plan and make our own decisions from there whether we like the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 22:21:50 GMT
I would like to have the Andromeda storyline continued. Some players on this board think that making "more Shepard" will renew interest and generate sales, but I guess I don't think that Bioware could get Shepard "right" again, simply because everyone has a different view on how Shepard "should" be done, especially in regards to important plot choices. Well first thing to realize is that Shepard is Bioware's and anything he says is written by them. Some people come along and say "but, my Shepard would not have done that, would not have said that". Guess what, it's Bioware's Shepard not yours.
Neither will I. Shepard's story is over.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2019 22:40:51 GMT
I would like to have the Andromeda storyline continued. Some players on this board think that making "more Shepard" will renew interest and generate sales, but I guess I don't think that Bioware could get Shepard "right" again, simply because everyone has a different view on how Shepard "should" be done, especially in regards to important plot choices. Well first thing to realize is that Shepard is Bioware's and anything he says is written by them. Some people come along and say "but, my Shepard would not have done that, would not have said that". Guess what, it's Bioware's Shepard not yours. Sorry, but they advertise the protagonist as being up to us so everyone has every reason to be upset when they make the character do things the players never would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 22:45:23 GMT
Sorry, but they advertise the protagonist as being up to us so everyone has every reason to be upset when they make the character do things the players never would. If the bank where I have an account with advertises it as "your bank" does that mean they give me the keys to the vault? It's just marketing. No sane person would take that literally.
What you're asking for simply isn't possible. Bioware would never invite every single customer up to Edmonton and have a million people crowd the studio where they develop the game. What does Mass Effect fan #96801 want Shepard to say/do? What does Mass Effect fan #230784 want and we'll make sure to include all the millions of your requests, etc, etc. Game would go bankrupt pretty quick. That's why there's a limited number of options to choose from.
I could come up with a bunch of examples where companies led customers to believe that they had complete control over their purchase, but in reality, it was an illusion of choice.
Besides, you should have read the EULA before agreeing to it. It clearly states Mass Effect, Shepard, story, etc belong to Bioware/EA. Legally, the game is Bioware/EA's. Just because Bioware says "it's as much your story as it is ours" isn't legally binding.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2019 23:10:29 GMT
Sorry, but they advertise the protagonist as being up to us so everyone has every reason to be upset when they make the character do things the players never would. If the bank where I have an account with advertises it as "your bank" does that mean they give me the keys to the vault? It's just marketing. No sane person would take that literally.
What you're asking for simply isn't possible. Bioware would never invite every single customer up to Edmonton and have a million people crowd the studio where they develop the game. What does Mass Effect fan #96801 want Shepard to say/do? What does Mass Effect fan #230784 want and we'll make sure to include all the millions of your requests, etc, etc. Game would go bankrupt pretty quick. That's why there's a limited number of options to choose from.
Besides, you should have read the EULA before agreeing to it. It clearly states Mass Effect, Shepard, story, etc belong to Bioware/EA. Legally, the game is Bioware/EA's. Just because Bioware says "it's as much your story as it is ours" isn't legally binding.
Well that’s why they don’t advertise it as your bank, isn’t it? And instead say it is your account. If the bank then decides to do things with your account that you’d never do, you’re allowed to be upset and they can’t just say well your account is with our bank. So let me ask you this: If a company advertised that they’d never deprive your choice on a certain thing, then do that very thing, in your mind that’s completely fine?
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Post by skekSil on Nov 17, 2019 23:23:12 GMT
I would like to have the Andromeda storyline continued. Some players on this board think that making "more Shepard" will renew interest and generate sales, but I guess I don't think that Bioware could get Shepard "right" again, simply because everyone has a different view on how Shepard "should" be done, especially in regards to important plot choices. Well first thing to realize is that Shepard is Bioware's and anything he says is written by them. Some people come along and say "but, my Shepard would not have done that, would not have said that". Guess what, it's Bioware's Shepard not yours.
Tell that to Luke Skywalker.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:25:37 GMT
Well that’s why they don’t advertise it as your bank, isn’t it? And instead say it is your account. If the bank then decides to do things with your account that you’d never do, you’re allowed to be upset and they can’t just say well your account is with our bank. So let me ask you this: If a company advertised that they’d never deprive your choice on a certain thing, then do that very thing, in your mind that’s completely fine? Actually there was a bank that said that (mouse over tab for full page title or read this). Not your bank account, your bank, literally. They may close your account if you can't afford the fees. Or if you are so bad with credit cards that you are in a hole of debt too deep to dig yourself out of, they will take your card away from you.
Here's another example, when you buy a house, you lease land from the government, but legally it's your house. Now, about 9 or so years ago, my city decided to extend a train line west of downtown. In the process, they had to demolish many buildings to finish construction. So your house was destroyed to make room for the train line. You do get reimbursed by the government, but you don't get your house or business back. You are forced to move. So that house wasn't yours permanently, even if you believed it was.
You know Burger King? They say "have it your way". Now, some guy comes into the store and asks for some exotic topping like Carolina Reaper peppers. Cashier says "we don't sell those here". Guy says "but, you said I could have it my way. I want Carolina Reaper peppers on my burger and I want them now". Clerk says "I'm sorry sir, there's nothing we can do to help you". Guy leaves store in disgust, files a lawsuit against Burger King, claiming false advertising. Yeah, that's what some Mass Effect fans are doing.
Except, neither Burger King or Bioware false advertised. If Burger King was a company who claim to make burgers, and some guy comes into the store to find out they sell auto parts, then yeah, that's false advertising, which is illegal. Bioware makes games, and sells games. They may not give you all the choices you want, but it's not false advertising.
Bioware never deprived people of choice. There is still choice, but in limited ways due to budget restraints. There are four ways to defeat the Reapers, and each of those choices (except for refuse) has multiple different outcome scenarios. In some scenarios, the destroy choice is the only one available. So only then you wouldn't have a choice. In that scenario, Bioware didn't deprive the player of choice, the player simply didn't play the game enough to unlock the other choices.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:26:52 GMT
If the bank where I have an account with advertises it as "your bank" does that mean they give me the keys to the vault? It's just marketing. No sane person would take that literally.
What you're asking for simply isn't possible. Bioware would never invite every single customer up to Edmonton and have a million people crowd the studio where they develop the game. What does Mass Effect fan #96801 want Shepard to say/do? What does Mass Effect fan #230784 want and we'll make sure to include all the millions of your requests, etc, etc. Game would go bankrupt pretty quick. That's why there's a limited number of options to choose from.
Besides, you should have read the EULA before agreeing to it. It clearly states Mass Effect, Shepard, story, etc belong to Bioware/EA. Legally, the game is Bioware/EA's. Just because Bioware says "it's as much your story as it is ours" isn't legally binding.
Well that’s why they don’t advertise it as your bank, isn’t it? And instead say it is your account. If the bank then decides to do things with your account that you’d never do, you’re allowed to be upset and they can’t just say well your account is with our bank. So let me ask you this: If a company advertised that they’d never deprive your choice on a certain thing, then do that very thing, in your mind that’s completely fine? I'm a player who would NEVER shoot anybody. IRL, I'm a complete pacifist. Do I have a right to be upset in that every Mass Effect game causes my Shepard to shoot numerous people? There's a limit to what sort of player freedom is reasonable and what is simply not a reasonable expectation of behalf of a player or fan. I honestly cannot reasonably expect a company to have such extensive dialogue and freedom of choice in a video game (within the limits of their budget and current technology) that they could guarantee that the player character is never going to be required in the game to do something that any of their varied player base themselves would not do. That's not the goal of an RPG either... an RPG is an opportunity to role play someone the player themselves could never be... hence, by definition, they are doing things the player themselves would likely never be able to do. Choices offered by RPGs video games have always had limits on choices... and they likely always will. If you want the absolute freedom to create a character of your own design and with all your own choices, then you'd have to literally make your own game from scratch. I don't think most of us have the funds or the technically know how to do that completely on their own.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 17, 2019 23:45:31 GMT
If the next game is in the Milky Way and it's pulling Shep again out of the stinking grave, I won't play it and I won't buy it. I don't like zombie games. Yeah, there is a point when enough is enough. People need to stop bringing back stuff that is done and concluded, that is getting so annoying - especially with game and movie franchises.
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