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Post by Heimdall on May 3, 2020 17:44:25 GMT
I think we could see something from DA, but more in terms of a story trailer or something that they will feel comfortable that it won’t change later in development. If there is gameplay, it will be very limited. The goal being to keep Dragon Age on people’s radars.
I do think there will be a need for them to let people know about the Anthem reboot, so I think that’s more likely to show up.
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Post by Beerfish on May 3, 2020 18:02:42 GMT
I could go back to playing anthem if they made a few radical changes. The stuff they did well they did really well but the stuff they did poorly....woof.
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Post by Sanunes on May 3, 2020 18:27:15 GMT
I think we could see something from DA, but more in terms of a story trailer or something that they will feel comfortable that it won’t change later in development. If there is gameplay, it will be very limited. The goal being to keep Dragon Age on people’s radars. I do think there will be a need for them to let people know about the Anthem reboot, so I think that’s more likely to show up. Everything I have read with game development is the story is in flux for awhile because things might need to be cut or altered because of an issue during development. They might have the big picture of the story, but honestly with everything I have seen it wouldn't be enough and then we would have years of people complaining that they need to know more about the story. Which is what we have also seen in the recent past when no matter what BioWare would share it was never enough and it became public criticism even from "game news outlets".
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Post by Iakus on May 3, 2020 18:40:35 GMT
Right now, the only thing I'm kinda-expecting from BW is Anthem 2.0. Yeah, that will go over well. “Hey, we know you want the next DA and ME game, but instead let’s just talk about our worst received game ever that put the other two on seemingly hiatus.” While I'd also find that bitterly disappointing, it is the most logical outcome. Some kind of gameplay trailer for Anthem 2.0 (because they insist on throwing good money after bad) and maybe another teaser for DA4. Mass Effect is effectively shelved for now, and I expect to see a Jade Empire 2 trailer before seeing another Mass Effect game of any kind.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on May 3, 2020 22:35:52 GMT
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Post by NotN7 on May 3, 2020 22:46:32 GMT
I think we could see something from DA, but more in terms of a story trailer or something that they will feel comfortable that it won’t change later in development. If there is gameplay, it will be very limited. The goal being to keep Dragon Age on people’s radars. I do think there will be a need for them to let people know about the Anthem reboot, so I think that’s more likely to show up. Everything I have read with game development is the story is in flux for awhile because things might need to be cut or altered because of an issue during development. They might have the big picture of the story, but honestly with everything I have seen it wouldn't be enough and then we would have years of people complaining that they need to know more about the story. Which is what we have also seen in the recent past when no matter what BioWare would share it was never enough and it became public criticism even from "game news outlets". Well lets be honest when was the last time Bioware shared anything? at least to those of us that don't have all that social like tweeter etc. (sorry tired of being cooped up) I'll be quiet now
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Post by river82 on May 3, 2020 22:48:42 GMT
Yeah, that will go over well. “Hey, we know you want the next DA and ME game, but instead let’s just talk about our worst received game ever that put the other two on seemingly hiatus.” While I'd also find that bitterly disappointing, it is the most logical outcome. Some kind of gameplay trailer for Anthem 2.0 (because they insist on throwing good money after bad) and maybe another teaser for DA4. Mass Effect is effectively shelved for now, and I expect to see a Jade Empire 2 trailer before seeing another Mass Effect game of any kind. Mass Effect is Casey's project. He seems eager to continue it and he'll likely find a way. Jade Empire 2 seems dead to me TBH.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 0:41:24 GMT
Everything I have read with game development is the story is in flux for awhile because things might need to be cut or altered because of an issue during development. They might have the big picture of the story, but honestly with everything I have seen it wouldn't be enough and then we would have years of people complaining that they need to know more about the story. Which is what we have also seen in the recent past when no matter what BioWare would share it was never enough and it became public criticism even from "game news outlets". Well lets be honest when was the last time Bioware shared anything? at least to those of us that don't have all that social like tweeter etc. (sorry tired of being cooped up) I'll be quiet now BioWare has shown content about six months prior to launch for both Andromeda and Anthem. My speculation is that happened because players got bent out of shape with content that was cut from Inquisition because they couldn't get the game to work on the older consoles with it there. There was too much entitlement coming from the complaints about how BioWare owed players that content because it was demonstrated and therefore they had an obligation to include it in the game regardless of how many disclaimers BioWare put before any of the official demonstrations that content could change. Then there was also the FCC complaint from a person because they felt owed a certain type of ending and BioWare mislead them. That group of vocal players has caused BioWare to go dark with their communication until they know things aren't going to change and ruining it for the rest of us.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 0:43:30 GMT
While I'd also find that bitterly disappointing, it is the most logical outcome. Some kind of gameplay trailer for Anthem 2.0 (because they insist on throwing good money after bad) and maybe another teaser for DA4. Mass Effect is effectively shelved for now, and I expect to see a Jade Empire 2 trailer before seeing another Mass Effect game of any kind. Mass Effect is Casey's project. He seems eager to continue it and he'll likely find a way. Jade Empire 2 seems dead to me TBH. I don't see why BioWare would ever make another Jade Empire game since the original one nearly killed the studio since it was a flop. I think that failure was part of the reason why they started to go down the Action RPG route with Mass Effect 1 because they saw the writing on the wall.
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Post by Heimdall on May 4, 2020 2:15:08 GMT
I think we could see something from DA, but more in terms of a story trailer or something that they will feel comfortable that it won’t change later in development. If there is gameplay, it will be very limited. The goal being to keep Dragon Age on people’s radars. I do think there will be a need for them to let people know about the Anthem reboot, so I think that’s more likely to show up. Everything I have read with game development is the story is in flux for awhile because things might need to be cut or altered because of an issue during development. They might have the big picture of the story, but honestly with everything I have seen it wouldn't be enough and then we would have years of people complaining that they need to know more about the story. Which is what we have also seen in the recent past when no matter what BioWare would share it was never enough and it became public criticism even from "game news outlets". A lot of things may be in flux, but the writing for a game is also one of the first things that needs to be finished. So they must have at least a big picture view by now, which is something that could be shown off without delving into too many plot details or spoilers: informations about setting, the war with the Qunari, simple acknowledgement of the shadow conflict between the Inquisition and Solas taking place in Tevinter.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 2:22:33 GMT
Everything I have read with game development is the story is in flux for awhile because things might need to be cut or altered because of an issue during development. They might have the big picture of the story, but honestly with everything I have seen it wouldn't be enough and then we would have years of people complaining that they need to know more about the story. Which is what we have also seen in the recent past when no matter what BioWare would share it was never enough and it became public criticism even from "game news outlets". A lot of things may be in flux, but the writing for a game is also one of the first things that needs to be finished. So they must have at least a big picture view by now, which is something that could be shown off without delving into too many plot details or spoilers: informations about setting, the war with the Qunari, simple acknowledgement of the shadow conflict between the Inquisition and Solas taking place in Tevinter. Finished doesn't mean it won't be cut or altered because other things happened. Its common in the video game industry because things change and need to be cut, just because the story was written doesn't mean they won't cut something that won't be finished and then make alterations to cover for that cut. As I said above the "big picture" view won't be enough for the online "personalities" so its becomes a no-win situation and so they probably are taking the position of doing the least amount of negativity by not awaking the online yellers who would then start hounding for a complete breakdown of the game including who they can romance and in what sexual positions.
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Post by Iakus on May 4, 2020 4:25:32 GMT
Mass Effect is Casey's project. He seems eager to continue it and he'll likely find a way. Jade Empire 2 seems dead to me TBH. I don't see why BioWare would ever make another Jade Empire game since the original one nearly killed the studio since it was a flop. I think that failure was part of the reason why they started to go down the Action RPG route with Mass Effect 1 because they saw the writing on the wall. It may have flopped, but it is arguably the first step they took towards action-rpgs. Not the reason they took the path.
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Post by Iakus on May 4, 2020 4:27:35 GMT
Well lets be honest when was the last time Bioware shared anything? at least to those of us that don't have all that social like tweeter etc. (sorry tired of being cooped up) I'll be quiet now BioWare has shown content about six months prior to launch for both Andromeda and Anthem. My speculation is that happened because players got bent out of shape with content that was cut from Inquisition because they couldn't get the game to work on the older consoles with it there. There was too much entitlement coming from the complaints about how BioWare owed players that content because it was demonstrated and therefore they had an obligation to include it in the game regardless of how many disclaimers BioWare put before any of the official demonstrations that content could change. Then there was also the FCC complaint from a person because they felt owed a certain type of ending and BioWare mislead them. That group of vocal players has caused BioWare to go dark with their communication until they know things aren't going to change and ruining it for the rest of us. Funny, they said they had that philosophy BEFORE DAI as well.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 5:25:54 GMT
BioWare has shown content about six months prior to launch for both Andromeda and Anthem. My speculation is that happened because players got bent out of shape with content that was cut from Inquisition because they couldn't get the game to work on the older consoles with it there. There was too much entitlement coming from the complaints about how BioWare owed players that content because it was demonstrated and therefore they had an obligation to include it in the game regardless of how many disclaimers BioWare put before any of the official demonstrations that content could change. Then there was also the FCC complaint from a person because they felt owed a certain type of ending and BioWare mislead them. That group of vocal players has caused BioWare to go dark with their communication until they know things aren't going to change and ruining it for the rest of us. Funny, they said they had that philosophy BEFORE DAI as well. Never said they didn't, but players seemed to have accepted that content gets cut before Inquisition. Its just that those vocal player's couldn't accept that the content was cut because of a reason they didn't like.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 5:28:16 GMT
I don't see why BioWare would ever make another Jade Empire game since the original one nearly killed the studio since it was a flop. I think that failure was part of the reason why they started to go down the Action RPG route with Mass Effect 1 because they saw the writing on the wall. It may have flopped, but it is arguably the first step they took towards action-rpgs. Not the reason they took the path. I guess, I just remember it being pretty close to a traditional RPG. I also don't remember the outrage about BioWare betraying people with Jade Empire and the new direction they were taking unlike with Mass Effect.
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Post by The Elder King on May 4, 2020 7:16:05 GMT
I’d say that they’ll probably show something, between Anthem and DA. The first is more likely then the latter, even if I’d prefer the second to be shown. If DA4 is shown, I’d say it’d be some kind of teaser or cinematic trailer, but it could be even more vague then The Fires Above trailer (putting aside the shown of previous characters, you wouldn’t understand what the game was about by it). While waiting is frustrating, assuming that the development (COVID 19 aside) would go smoother then the recent games, it’s better that the game is released later then earlier in a new gen cycle, as Hrungr said before. It means the game will be developed without considering the old gen.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 4, 2020 8:29:22 GMT
I was under the impression that they didn't want to show too much of MEA early on because it was looking rough.
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Post by The Elder King on May 4, 2020 8:43:28 GMT
I was under the impression that they didn't want to show too much of MEA early on because it was looking rough. I’m not sure if it was simply rough, or basically in early stages because the development basically restarted after the original idea of a No-Man Sky kind of game, but yeah, they definitely didn’t show up much because of development problems. That said, showing extended gameplay more then two years before what we assume will be the release time (putting aside a possible delay due to the lockdown) is also something they’d likely not do. Things get scrapped in that timeframe, or change, even if the game isn’t having development issues, it’s just the nature of a game development for things to change in a two year period of development.
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Post by Felya87 on May 4, 2020 9:12:27 GMT
A Jade Empire remake would be great. BioWare now have the experience in action game play to make it actually playable, and the story is great.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 4, 2020 10:27:10 GMT
I was under the impression that they didn't want to show too much of MEA early on because it was looking rough. I’m not sure if it was simply rough, or basically in early stages because the development basically restarted after the original idea of a No-Man Sky kind of game, but yeah, they definitely didn’t show up much because of development problems. That said, showing extended gameplay more then two years before what we assume will be the release time (putting aside a possible delay due to the lockdown) is also something they’d likely not do. Things get scrapped in that timeframe, or change, even if the game isn’t having development issues, it’s just the nature of a game development for things to change in a two year period of development. Agreed. It's far too early to be going into any sort of depth right now. Though Bioware could do with a win. A little teaser trailer and a concrete reassurance that the game will be singleplayer/story focused could earn some much needed goodwill amongst fans, and would make a change from the usual headlines of "Bioware loses key writer" or "Bioware scraps project".
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 11:47:51 GMT
I’m not sure if it was simply rough, or basically in early stages because the development basically restarted after the original idea of a No-Man Sky kind of game, but yeah, they definitely didn’t show up much because of development problems. That said, showing extended gameplay more then two years before what we assume will be the release time (putting aside a possible delay due to the lockdown) is also something they’d likely not do. Things get scrapped in that timeframe, or change, even if the game isn’t having development issues, it’s just the nature of a game development for things to change in a two year period of development. Agreed. It's far too early to be going into any sort of depth right now. Though Bioware could do with a win. A little teaser trailer and a concrete reassurance that the game will be singleplayer/story focused could earn some much needed goodwill amongst fans, and would make a change from the usual headlines of "Bioware loses key writer" or "Bioware scraps project". Everything I have seen on the internet BioWare wouldn't get a win. The narrative would be twisted into pretzel to become problematic just like what you suggested. The few have made it so we cannot have nice things. To me right now the biggest win BioWare will get is that they don't get any real press about anything they are working on. Besides being quiet about a project is the norm until the last six to eight months of development. Ubisoft did that with Assassin's Creed Valhalla, there were a couple of leaks and at the same time they did nothing except confirm the existence of a sequel until last week.
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Post by Heimdall on May 4, 2020 12:48:59 GMT
A lot of things may be in flux, but the writing for a game is also one of the first things that needs to be finished. So they must have at least a big picture view by now, which is something that could be shown off without delving into too many plot details or spoilers: informations about setting, the war with the Qunari, simple acknowledgement of the shadow conflict between the Inquisition and Solas taking place in Tevinter. Finished doesn't mean it won't be cut or altered because other things happened. Its common in the video game industry because things change and need to be cut, just because the story was written doesn't mean they won't cut something that won't be finished and then make alterations to cover for that cut. As I said above the "big picture" view won't be enough for the online "personalities" so its becomes a no-win situation and so they probably are taking the position of doing the least amount of negativity by not awaking the online yellers who would then start hounding for a complete breakdown of the game including who they can romance and in what sexual positions. Well, there’s no pleasing the online personalities. The goal of putting something out now would mostly be to keep DA on people’s radar. My counterpoint to all this would be the teaser they released... wow, just shy of 18 months ago. They can create things like that that expose the audience to the concepts of the game without promising many specifics about the mechanics or plot points. I don’t deny that things change a lot in development, but there should be enough solidified that they can show they aren’t spinning their wheels if they want to.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 13:01:01 GMT
Finished doesn't mean it won't be cut or altered because other things happened. Its common in the video game industry because things change and need to be cut, just because the story was written doesn't mean they won't cut something that won't be finished and then make alterations to cover for that cut. As I said above the "big picture" view won't be enough for the online "personalities" so its becomes a no-win situation and so they probably are taking the position of doing the least amount of negativity by not awaking the online yellers who would then start hounding for a complete breakdown of the game including who they can romance and in what sexual positions. Well, there’s no pleasing the online personalities. The goal of putting something out now would mostly be to keep DA on people’s radar. My counterpoint to all this would be the teaser they released... wow, just shy of 18 months ago. They can create things like that that expose the audience to the concepts of the game without promising many specifics about the mechanics or plot points. I don’t deny that things change a lot in development, but there should be enough solidified that they can show they aren’t spinning their wheels if they want to. I even saw people trying to twist that video and maybe if places like Polygon didn't make articles about how "BioWare is disappointing its fans with their latest video" maybe I could see them doing it, but once places start to cover the discourse like that I don't see the benefit to talking about the game. That video was also released at a time were people were making article after article about how BioWare is dead and EA is going to close them and Dragon Age and Mass Effect have been fully abandoned. Right now there is nothing really about BioWare out there that they have to really show people what they are working for the masses just don't care.
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Post by Frost on May 4, 2020 13:20:33 GMT
Agreed. It's far too early to be going into any sort of depth right now. Though Bioware could do with a win. A little teaser trailer and a concrete reassurance that the game will be singleplayer/story focused could earn some much needed goodwill amongst fans, and would make a change from the usual headlines of "Bioware loses key writer" or "Bioware scraps project". Everything I have seen on the internet BioWare wouldn't get a win. The narrative would be twisted into pretzel to become problematic just like what you suggested. The few have made it so we cannot have nice things. To me right now the biggest win BioWare will get is that they don't get any real press about anything they are working on. Besides being quiet about a project is the norm until the last six to eight months of development. Ubisoft did that with Assassin's Creed Valhalla, there were a couple of leaks and at the same time they did nothing except confirm the existence of a sequel until last week. Ubisoft releases a new Assassin's Creed game every other year or even sometimes every year. Including Valhalla, they will have released 4 main Assassin's Creed games since DAI came out! So, there is not a lot of time between the dlc wrapping up, and Ubisoft being ready to release a trailer for the next game. This is very different from Dragon Age, which will be at least 8 years between games! Other games such as Cyberpunk had several teaser trailers well before the game came out.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 4, 2020 13:49:17 GMT
Assassins Creed and Dragon Age are a little bit different. Assassins Creed games are released regularly and are consistent in quality. Everyone knows what an Assassins Creed game is going to be - thus you don't really need the same build-up as other games. Assassins Creed games have also been generally well reviewed in the last few years.
Any Bioware game releasing now has a lot more to prove to a lot more people. The 'hush hush, HYPE' method of advertising only really works for games that are guaranteed to be a surefire hit from announcement.
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