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Post by themikefest on Sept 18, 2020 23:30:44 GMT
Oh believe me the whole "Take Back Earth" tagline was very, very dumb. Earth had no tactical value to it whatsoever and right up until the writers realized how stupid that idea was and magically moved the MacGuffin there in the eleventh hour it was one of the worst pieces of writing outside of the A B C endings. Where would you have moved the Citadel? How about Thessia? Instead of humans being killed on the beam run, it would be asari. I would be ok with that. Instead of the touchy feely-scene with Anderson, would that scene happen with an asari?
I get the take back Earth bit, but it was setup poorly. All you got to do is look at the beam run crap. All that crap just so Shepard and Anderson can have a touchy-feely scene.
What would I have done? Leave the Citadel where it was. How would Shepard get on the station to open the arms? How about going to Ilos to use the conduit? What can happen is when Shepard arrives, Cerberus some how powered up the conduit to use. Once the soldiers are taken care of, Shepard and squad, including ME2 squadmates, use the conduit. Once on the Citadel, the player sees Cerberus and uglies fighting each other with C-sec in the middle. This is where the player sees those Citadel war assets at work. Shepard sees Bailey who says he saw a guy in fancy suit run in that direction.
You want to know why that couldn't happen? Anderson. He's on Earth. Bioware wanted to have feels. So they have the lead up, the beam run, more like crap, to have Anderson and Shepard on the Citadel to have that touchy-feely scene.
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Post by Polka Dot on Sept 18, 2020 23:44:24 GMT
Yes, well, Shep's original request to the council got no takers. The other races were (understandably) more interested in protecting their own territory than helping earth. To apply your statement to another species, " (turians) held the entire galaxy at figurative gunpoint since their aid was needed. By his actions he was more than willing to let the entire galaxy die if he didn't get what he wanted." See how that works? You seem to think the krogan owed the other species something. They were the first to provide troops to defend another species' home planet, and they kept their word even after discovering that the turians had planted a bomb on Tuchanka. Gosh, I thought that earth was taking the bulk of the invasion. Yes, xenophobia is a real thing. Who knew? Not really. Those that did were hired mercs, just as members of the Blood Pack, Blue Suns, or Eclipse are. Oh believe me the whole "Take Back Earth" tagline was very, very dumb. I wasn't fond of it, or Shepard's determination to get the other species to focus their forces on defending earth. I'm not a marketing analyst, and ill-equipped to comment on whether it was an effective marketing tactic. No, the turian councilor didn't jump on board, either. He did approach Shepard with a request to rescue their Primarch. The rescued Primarch then set up the next hoop (get krogan support) and it wasn't until all of that was in place that the turians started helping build the Crucible and commit their navy (or what was left of it by then) to help take back earth when the time came. The turian plan to bog reaper forces down on and around Menae seemed to help some. Even so, Palaven was obviously under heavy attack and we saw some wreckage en route to collect Victus.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 19, 2020 22:55:42 GMT
Oh believe me the whole "Take Back Earth" tagline was very, very dumb. Earth had no tactical value to it whatsoever and right up until the writers realized how stupid that idea was and magically moved the MacGuffin there in the eleventh hour it was one of the worst pieces of writing outside of the A B C endings. Where would you have moved the Citadel? How about Thessia? Instead of humans being killed on the beam run, it would be asari. I would be ok with that. Instead of the touchy feely-scene with Anderson, would that scene happen with an asari?
I get the take back Earth bit, but it was setup poorly. All you got to do is look at the beam run crap. All that crap just so Shepard and Anderson can have a touchy-feely scene.
What would I have done? Leave the Citadel where it was. How would Shepard get on the station to open the arms? How about going to Ilos to use the conduit? What can happen is when Shepard arrives, Cerberus some how powered up the conduit to use. Once the soldiers are taken care of, Shepard and squad, including ME2 squadmates, use the conduit. Once on the Citadel, the player sees Cerberus and uglies fighting each other with C-sec in the middle. This is where the player sees those Citadel war assets at work. Shepard sees Bailey who says he saw a guy in fancy suit run in that direction.
You want to know why that couldn't happen? Anderson. He's on Earth. Bioware wanted to have feels. So they have the lead up, the beam run, more like crap, to have Anderson and Shepard on the Citadel to have that touchy-feely scene.
Why should the Reapers get all the fun? I've personally wanted to bathe the asari homeworld in nuclear fire since ME1.... 😈😈😈😈
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Post by Phantom on Sept 19, 2020 23:17:31 GMT
Where would you have moved the Citadel? How about Thessia? Instead of humans being killed on the beam run, it would be asari. I would be ok with that. Instead of the touchy feely-scene with Anderson, would that scene happen with an asari?
I get the take back Earth bit, but it was setup poorly. All you got to do is look at the beam run crap. All that crap just so Shepard and Anderson can have a touchy-feely scene.
What would I have done? Leave the Citadel where it was. How would Shepard get on the station to open the arms? How about going to Ilos to use the conduit? What can happen is when Shepard arrives, Cerberus some how powered up the conduit to use. Once the soldiers are taken care of, Shepard and squad, including ME2 squadmates, use the conduit. Once on the Citadel, the player sees Cerberus and uglies fighting each other with C-sec in the middle. This is where the player sees those Citadel war assets at work. Shepard sees Bailey who says he saw a guy in fancy suit run in that direction.
You want to know why that couldn't happen? Anderson. He's on Earth. Bioware wanted to have feels. So they have the lead up, the beam run, more like crap, to have Anderson and Shepard on the Citadel to have that touchy-feely scene.
Why should the Reapers get all the fun? I've personally wanted to bathe the asari homeworld in nuclear fire since ME1.... 😈😈😈😈 Would you join forces with an Asari Justicar to destroy Reaper worshipping Asari Led Cults? Lets face it, your blades are thirsty for blood of Asari. why not having a legit reason that everyone can get on board with to make little happy Accidents for Asari by having Reapers Cults that are led by Indoctrinated Asari leaders.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 19, 2020 23:19:59 GMT
Why should the Reapers get all the fun? I've personally wanted to bathe the asari homeworld in nuclear fire since ME1.... 😈😈😈😈 Would you join forces with an Asari Justicar to destroy Reaper worshipping Asari Led Cults? Lets face it, your blades are thirsty for blood of Asari. why not having a legit reason that everyone can get on board with to make little happy Accidents for Asari by having Reapers Cults that are led by Indoctrinated Asari leaders. So long as said blades are coated in the blood of said asari Justicar afterwards, then yeah. 😈
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Post by Phantom on Sept 19, 2020 23:23:23 GMT
Would you join forces with an Asari Justicar to destroy Reaper worshipping Asari Led Cults? Lets face it, your blades are thirsty for blood of Asari. why not having a legit reason that everyone can get on board with to make little happy Accidents for Asari by having Reapers Cults that are led by Indoctrinated Asari leaders. So long as said blades are coated in the blood of said asari Justicar afterwards, then yeah. 😈 There will be a possible renegade option to that can happen between that player character and Asari Justicar.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 21, 2020 15:25:04 GMT
No, the turian councilor didn't jump on board, either. He did approach Shepard with a request to rescue their Primarch. The rescued Primarch then set up the next hoop (get krogan support) and it wasn't until all of that was in place that the turians started helping build the Crucible and commit their navy (or what was left of it by then) to help take back earth when the time came. The turian plan to bog reaper forces down on and around Menae seemed to help some. Even so, Palaven was obviously under heavy attack and we saw some wreckage en route to collect Victus. He didn't immediately call for all the Turian military to join Shepard's plan no; and judging by how much emphasis the Turians place on their military leaders its very unlikely that they would have listened to a politician even if the councilor did call for total redeployment. What he did though was give Shepard and option to get ahold of the people who could make that decision, which was a heck of a lot more than any of the other councilors did; especially the Asari councilor since she was very well aware that they had working Prothean tech on Thessia at that time. And Primarch Victus was willing to send forces toward the Crucible project except that he was literally incapable at that moment due to the Reaper blockade of the Turain home system (Palaven, Menae and the surround solar system). His asking for Krogan aid wasn't so much a hoop to jump through as it was necessary to facilitate his sending of aid; and it wasn't even like he specifically needed the Krogan per-say, just boots on the ground to alleviate his forces so he could turn around and help Shepard. I am sure that if the plot would have allowed for it Victus would have happily accepted clutches of Rachni brood warriors working to help cleanse the battlefields of Reaper presence instead of the battle toads. Indeed, he might have actually prefered the Rachni to the Krogan not only because of their many advantages (both physical and tactical) in battle but also because the Queen wouldn't be trying to demand restitutions for her people and making sniping remarks at him the whole time negotiations took place, unlike Wrex. Really, out of all the species during the lead-up to the Reaper invasion in ME 3 and then during the war itself it was the Turians and Rachni (writer's fiat notwithstanding) who did the most to prepare and combat the problem. Most of the other races were hit with the idiot bat and acted stupidly (humanity, Quarians, Geth) while others actively withstood or even worked against unifying the galaxy in order to combat the threat (Asari, Salarians, Krogan).
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Oct 22, 2020 6:13:56 GMT
Personally, I always disliked the Krogan. They have never been anything but boring brutes. This is why I always kill Mordin to sabotage the genophage cure, and then afterwards kill wrex. Wrex is one of the reasons why I don't cure the genophage. Plus I like keeping Mordin alive. Whereas I usually kill wrex on virmire, and convince mordin to the one true path. The one play trough I save where wrex is alive, I feel bad about killing mordin.. I usually kill Wrex in ME1, when he's recruited. ME1 plays better without him being in the game. I like Wreav and I like to keep Mordin alive. Wait, we can kill Wrex before Virmire?
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Post by vonuber on Oct 22, 2020 12:19:24 GMT
A post genophage cure post destroy game would be interesting, where the remaining council species have to grapple with each Krogan female pumping out a 1000 eggs per year of nigh invulnerable killing machines.
Having a Krogan squadmate involved in putting down the next Krogan expansion war would be interesting.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 22, 2020 14:43:31 GMT
Wait, we can kill Wrex before Virmire? No. He can only be killed on Virmire if recruited. A post genophage cure post destroy game would be interesting, where the remaining council species have to grapple with each Krogan female pumping out a 1000 eggs per year of nigh invulnerable killing machines. While that would be interesting, what if the genophage is cured, but not the way the krogan hoped? Instead of all females being able to give birth, it's only 3, 4 or 5 out every 1000 because the cure didn't have enough time to be fully tested? Would the krogan demand the council fix that?
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