Ingame Numerical Test Thread : Peddro's " Flamer mechanics explained"

peddroelm
Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:34 PM

- has similar stack mechanics to incendiary ammo - however stacked damage will be ~ correct and not bug out like incendiary ammo stacks .. )
- THIS MEANS MOST FLAMER DAMAGE WILL BE APPLIED AFTER YOU STOP FIRING IT, AS DOT WITH 5 SECONDS DURATION
- incendiary ammo DOT can feed off flamer DOT - but extra BUG damage does not seem so extreme (like warp+ incendiary interaction)
- no weird interaction between warp & flamer
- warp + flamer + incendiary test = incendiary fed of warp (must taste
better ) and left flamer stack by itself
- when specced for extra armor DOT with consumable it can apply in excess off 3k Damage to armor per second .. (will take 5 seconds to inflict most of the damage after you stop firing) ..


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Lets Name This: 200 * (1+sum power bonuses) = K

Impact damage is
3*(K/8)*Resistance_Damage_Multiplier

DOT component 10 damage ticks over 5 second duration
(K/8)*Resistance_Damage_Multiplier

So total damage is (13/8)*K*Resistance_Damage_Multiplier [/b]

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Example :

1 point flamer - no power bonuses

K= 200 *(1+0)
K/8 =25

1 stack vs health

200 DPS flamer vs health

start 75.000000
464 25.000000
446 25.000000
476 25.000000
456 25.000000
472 25.000000
467 25.000000
462 25.000000
467 25.000000
481 25.000000
458 25.000000

200 dps flamer vs armor (*1.5)

Start 112.500000
464 37.500000
464 37.500000
453 37.500000
471 37.500000
467 37.500000
457 37.500000
478 37.500000
468 37.500000
464 37.500000
450 37.500000


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vs armor (with extra 50% damage vs armor evolution)


K/8= (200 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.4)) / 8 = 42.5
vs armor (K/8)*1.5 * 1.5 = 95.625

Start 286.875000
455 95.625000
467 95.625000
465 95.625000
467 95.625000
469 95.625000
454 95.625000
467 95.625000
465 95.625000
468 95.625000

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Flamer vs armor 1 stack

Power Amplifier Module IV 50% PD
Mental Focuser I 4% PD
10% PD from passive

Damage Received: 378.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000
Damage Received: 126.000000

((200 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.4 + 0.5 + 0.04)) / 8) * 1.5 * 1.5 = 126


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Weird stacking mechanics

flamer 4 stacks


Damage Received: 378.000000 // 1 impact
Damage Received: 126.000000 /dot
Damage Received: 378.000000 // 2 impact
Damage Received: 239.202637 //2 stacked dot
Damage Received: 378.000000 //3 impact
Damage Received: 340.542969 //3 stacked dot
Damage Received: 378.000000 // 4 impact
Damage Received: 431.636230 //4 stack dot final 10 ticks
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230
Damage Received: 431.636230

Expected 126 * 13 * 4 = 6552

Inflicted 378 * 4 + 126 + 239.202637 + 340.542969 + (431.63623 * 10) = 6534.10791 // less but close

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flamer 10 stacks

Damage Received: 378.000000 //1
Damage Received: 378.000000 //2
Damage Received: 239.741699
Damage Received: 378.000000 //3
Damage Received: 341.601563
Damage Received: 378.000000 //4
Damage Received: 433.253906
Damage Received: 378.000000 //5
Damage Received: 515.914063
Damage Received: 378.000000 //6
Damage Received: 589.941406
Damage Received: 378.000000 //7
Damage Received: 656.790039
Damage Received: 656.790039
Damage Received: 378.000000 //8
Damage Received: 716.765625
Damage Received: 378.000000 //9
Damage Received: 770.712402
Damage Received: 378.000000 //10
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055
Damage Received: 819.081055


Expected damage 126 * 13 * 10 = 16380

Measured (stacked) (378 * 10) + 239.741699 + 341.601563 + 433.253906 + 515.914063 + 589.941406 + (656.790039 * 2) + 716.765625 + 770.712402 + (819.081055 * 10) = 16892.3213 // a bit more this time but again close

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Paladin IV shot

Damage Received: 674.972656 // 460.3 * (1 + 0.275 + 0.25 + 0.05)) - 50 = 674.9725
Damage Received: 23.015137 //
Damage Received: 23.015137
Damage Received: 23.015137
Damage Received: 23.015137
Damage Received: 23.015137
Damage Received: 23.015137

Had 5% WD damage from blood lust all the time (haven't killed anything for ages ...)

(460.3 * 0.3) / 6 = 23.015 OK incendiary III dot ticks


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4 flamer stacks + 3 paladin shots


Damage Received: 378.000000 // 1 flamer
Damage Received: 378.000000 // 2 flamer
Damage Received: 239.621094
Damage Received: 239.621094
Damage Received: 378.000000 //3 flamer
Damage Received: 340.944336
Damage Received: 378.000000 //4 flamer
Damage Received: 432.734863
Damage Received: 674.972656 //1 paladin
Damage Received: 763.272461
Damage Received: 674.972656 //2 paladin
Damage Received: 751.921875 //incendiary dot tick
Damage Received: 751.921875
Damage Received: 674.972656 //3 paladin
Damage Received: 757.424316 //last 6 incendary dot ticks
Damage Received: 757.424316
Damage Received: 757.424316
Damage Received: 757.424316
Damage Received: 757.424316
Damage Received: 757.424316

ONLY 6 DOT TICKS (incendiary ammo) NOT (8 flamer)

FUNNY BUSINESS

Expected Damge = (126 * 13 * 4) + (674.972656 * (3 + 0.9)) = 9184.39336

(378 * 4) + (674.972656 * 3) + (239.621094 * 2) + 340.944336 + 432.734863 + 763.272461 + (751.921875 * 2) + (757.424316 * 6) = 11601.5015 Inflicted Damage
// buggy extra damage


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warp + flamer

Damage Received: 478.125000 //Warp impact
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 9.164063 //20 warp dot ticks
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 378.000000
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 378.000000
Damage Received: 239.669922
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 239.669922
Damage Received: 378.000000
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 340.975586
Damage Received: 378.000000
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 432.340332 //10 flamer dot ticks
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 9.164063
Damage Received: 9.164063

No interaction (not even bonus debuff damage)


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warp + 5 flamer + 3 * paladin incendiary ammo

Damage Received: 478.125000 //warp impact
Damage Received: 9.164063 //1 normal warp dot
Damage Received: 9.164063 //2
Damage Received: 9.164063 //3
Damage Received: 9.164063//4
Damage Received: 9.164063 //5
Damage Received: 378.000000 //1 flamer impact
Damage Received: 9.164063 //6
Damage Received: 378.000000 //2 flamer
Damage Received: 239.806641 //flamer dot
Damage Received: 9.164063 //7
Damage Received: 378.000000 //3 flamer
Damage Received: 341.236328 //flamer dot
Damage Received: 9.164063 //8
Damage Received: 341.236328 //flamer dot
Damage Received: 378.000000 //4 flamer
Damage Received: 9.164063 //9
Damage Received: 431.708496 //flamer dot
Damage Received: 378.000000 //5 flamer
Damage Received: 796.218262 // 1 st paladin incendiary
Damage Received: 134.484863
Damage Received: 513.848145 // 10 FLAMER DOT TICKS
Damage Received: 134.484863
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 796.218262 // second paladin incendiary
Damage Received: 217.000977
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 796.218262 // third paladin incediary
Damage Received: 289.946289 //// 6 incediary dot ticks
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 289.946289
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 289.946289
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 289.946289
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 289.946289
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 289.946289 // 6 incediary dot ticks
Damage Received: 513.848145
Damage Received: 513.848145


In this case incendiary fed of warp and left flamer do its thing