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Post by kalreegar on Oct 14, 2020 9:46:33 GMT
In dragon age there are hundreds of different choices, big and small.
However, most of these choices can be called "self-sufficient". In the sense that at the moment the player makes the choice: a. it ends there (e.g. help or not Zerlinda) b. the choice exhausts its effects shortly afterwards (e.g. side with mages of templars in DA:O: you recruit a faction and that's it) c. the slides of the epilogue expose in an exhaustive way the various consequences (e.g. who is king of orzamarr, or the destiny of Blackwall or some other companions) d. the next game/DLC brings to a conclusion the story left previously open (e.g. Iron Bull loyal to the qun or not)
Sure, bioware could bring back any character/situation, taking even small choices into account, but the fact that a particular choice has consequences (or that a particular npc/companion has "another round", like Cullen or Oghren) is merely possible, not necessary. The whole story may well have ended as we have seen, the circle is potentially closed.
However, some choices, by their nature, should have inevitable consequences. Consequences that cannot (or shouldn't) end with what we have already seen. Because they have (or should have, realistically) an impact ON GLOBAL SCALE.
I will consider only the dragon age keep choiches.
1) the anvil of the void: if Branka is alive, what is she doing? Is she producing Golems? Or has the darkspwan managed to get their hands on it, with catastrophic effects? It is too powerful and potentially decisive a tool in the war against darkspawn to be simply "forgotten".
2) the architect: if he is dead, have his intelligent darkspawns dispersed or not? And if he is alive, has he continued his experiments? What are his intentions? Has he made other disasters?
3) Avernus and his research: if he is alive and free to experiment, what results has he achieved? Has he discovered something? (This could be linked to the Warden's search for a cure for the calling)
4) Fenryel: bioware introduced him to us as a marvel, an exceptional being, potentially very dangerous if possessed and equally lethal if educated and used by the wrong people. What happened to him? What is he doing?
5) Anders: if he is alive, he is a symbol of freedom for mages, and a dangerous enemy for Templars. Moreover he is out of control, possessed by Justice, a fanatic who I don't think would give up in front of an epilogue like Divine Vivienne. What is he up to? Is he still active?
6) The dark ritual: if Urthemiel's soul has been preserved, who owns it now? Solas? Or was it sent by Flemeth through the Eluvian (I think not but anyway)? To Morrigan? Is this an important factor? Does it only generically guarantee "more power" or does it have some special use/effect?
7) Who drank from well of sorrow: what repercussions does this choice have? Unpredictable arcane knowledge but also the risk of being somehow vulnerable to Solas? The inquisitor want to stop Solas... and Morrigan?
8) The fate and mission of the Inquisition and the Inquisitor (Trespasser last choiches), if the inquisitor wants to stop or redeem Solas and how he intends to do so.
9) generically, how stable or unstable is the political situation in south thedas? Orlias-Ferelden-Chantry triangle. Celine may be strong on the throne or not, Ferelden and Orlais on the brink of war or not, the Divine may have freed the mages or reconstituted the Circles... there will certainly be several variables.
Are there others in your opinion? And which ones do you believe/hope will be adressed in DA: 4?
Personally, I would like to see more about 1) 2) and 6). And of course we are going to see more about 8) and at least have some codex/dialogues about 9).
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 14, 2020 10:51:44 GMT
I think you covered all of the choices I'd like to see a conclusion to as well however, I'd like to add the general impact of who you left on Ferelden and Orlais' throne
Like...if Alistair or Anora rules alone, or are ruling together or with a HN Warden...neither are in a position to produce an heir (Alistair and/or Warden due to the taint, Anora due to her increasing age (she's already 40-ish during Inquisition). Depending on the time-frame of DA4, either one would be either past the age of having a child, or have gone on their Calling if the Warden cure doesn't work as intended. Which kinda leads to a succession war methinks
same with Orlais...while Gaspard would be able to produce an heir if he were willing, neither Celene or Briala seem to be in that position...what type of impact would that have on Southern Thedas? particularly in a world state that has Briala use Gaspard as a puppet. Moreover...if you chose to do the 'truce' ending for that mission, how does that impact things? Also the fate of the Inquisition itself, if you disbanded...what does that mean for the people who devoted themselves to the cause?
If you became the Divine's personal guard, what impact does that have on the lives of those who serve the Inquisition, and those of the people living in Southern Thedas?
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Post by dayze on Oct 14, 2020 23:14:33 GMT
As far as the architect goes; don't we kill him in one of the Inquisition DLCs', when we are running around underground one of the rooms has a dark spawn in it that looks a lot like him.
Of course; considering if it is the Architect and he could be killed before he might have the jumping ability so he could come back.
Here's a decision for you: The money and resources that gets put into the Ferelden army in the first game, you can pump them up to have some pretty good gear and be all glowing from runes etc......it feels like creating the most heavily equipped army on the continent and then just leaving them under the control of the nobles might have an impact.
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Post by melbella on Oct 15, 2020 0:34:39 GMT
while Gaspard would be able to produce an heir if he were willing, I was surprised to learn (by actually paying attention) that Gaspard is rather old. He was born in 8:74 according to the Halamshiral Investigation:Clues codex, which makes him almost 70 in DAI. According to the same codex, Florianne was born in 8:87 and Celene in 9:04.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 15, 2020 1:43:32 GMT
As far as the architect goes; don't we kill him in one of the Inquisition DLCs', when we are running around underground one of the rooms has a dark spawn in it that looks a lot like him. No, we never encountered him in Descent. That was just a regular Emissary we fight.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 15, 2020 7:05:57 GMT
while Gaspard would be able to produce an heir if he were willing, I was surprised to learn (by actually paying attention) that Gaspard is rather old. He was born in 8:74 according to the Halamshiral Investigation:Clues codex, which makes him almost 70 in DAI. According to the same codex, Florianne was born in 8:87 and Celene in 9:04. wait...he's an old guy? Then scratch that theory of mine
it's funny, I always pictured him mid-fifties given the shenanigans he commits during TME I always find it weird that Celene has more wrinkles then Florianne when she is the youngest of the three (in fact, Celene is only 6 years older then Alistair (who's born in 9:10)
At any rate, unless Gaspard has some child we never hear about, if he's still alive (either as a puppet of Briala, alone or with the 3-way truce) he can put them forward once he gets rid of the competition. Failing that...then like Ferelden, Orlais will get another succession war.
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Post by melbella on Oct 15, 2020 11:29:08 GMT
wait...he's an old guy? I know, right?! I played the game a dozen times and this last run was the first I actually put his birth date together with the current date to realize he's definitely getting up there! I don't recall for sure but I thought he was married at some point so might have kids somewhere too???
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 15, 2020 11:45:54 GMT
wait...he's an old guy? I know, right?! I played the game a dozen times and this last run was the first I actually put his birth date together with the current date to realize he's definitely getting up there! I don't recall for sure but I thought he was married at some point so might have kids somewhere too??? his wiki entry says he married to Lady Calienne de Ghislain (Vivienne's flame Bastien is stated to be his father-in-law) who orchestrated the death of Celene's mother... Calienne was then murdered by Gaspard's uncle Prince Reynaud who later died from poisoning (apparently Calienne's stilleto's were poisoned) however it isn't stated if Gaspard ever had children with Calienne
he does have several cousins other then Celene, so if they are still alive those (and their descendants) are likely to inherit Orlais' throne if he and Celene die childless
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Post by Catilina on Oct 18, 2020 12:41:19 GMT
I never let Branka making stone slavers. Metaknowledge, but we know, both kings abuse this power – obviously.
I would like to see Architect, I have worlds, where he survived, and where he didn't.
We saw a side-research from Avernus in DA2. Hawke can use it. But we know, not just he works on the cure, but the HoF as well.
Feynriel will be okay. I never made him tranquil just because he's a potential danger. Clearly "evil" choice to me.
Anders launched the rebellion, and every choice (including the worst) is better than it was before – so I think, he will not repeat his act or do similar. Also: in Kirkwall, the situation was very sharp. Also: he was horrified to see the explosion, so if he's alone, he would rather go to a safe place, to not hurt anyone, or just try to help the fugitives – until Vivienne's and Cassandra's apostate hunt continued (we know, at the end, both let the College of Enchanters work as well – so no apostates anymore). If he with my Hawke, they would fight during the hunt, and if the Templars try to arrest a free mage – just for being free... So: without hawke, I'm sure, he retreated – the rebellion happened, the situation changed, and we KNOW he never expected instant change – the end result (again, even the worst of the possibilities) is better than he expected: "Ten years, a hundred years from now…", he says at the Gallows. In my worlds Leliana is the Divine – but if wouldn't, or if she would be replaced, my Hawke would who step first, not Anders. (Rival Anders/Justice, who survived, and forced to help the Templars against the mages – probably would be broken, lost himself. Unstable. Frienshipped Anders/Justice is not a real danger.)
I would like to see the result of the Dark Ritual (this is why I made it!), but I think, they will not show many difference. (Like with the Architect.)
The decision of Well of Sorrows is similar: I would like to see the end result, but I'm afraid, we will not.
About Solas: I don't think, we will get two different Solas – it sad, but that means two different GAME... (It's like the mage–Templar choice... they made it similar: every world state has Colleges and Circles as well... – the cake is a lie...)
Ferelden – Chantry – Orlais is a very difficult question. Also: every choice should cause different world state: I don't think, we will see. Personal opinion: public truce is the best end of Orlais... okay now seriously: I don't want Orlais influence on the Chantry and vice versa. Vivienne is the worst choice as Divine, because she depends on Orlais (who else would choose her – I'm sure NOT the Chantry's conclave, but the Orlesian influence on the Chantry – Vivienne had NOTHING with the Chantry or the religion, and she's a mage...)
I think, we will get a world, were the Southern Chantry, Orlais and Fenrelden are just a side note...
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 18, 2020 15:06:30 GMT
Honestly, if we play a new character in a new country, ideally with as few returning characters as possible, then not many world state affecting decisions need to be imported - mostly those that affect those few returning characters, and that would probably just require minor changes to their dialogue.
I want to focus on the new story instead of playing world state patrol concerning stuff I did back in 2014 and barely remember. The fewer references to the mage-templar war and the Inquisition I get the happier I'll be.
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Post by ihasfingers on Nov 2, 2020 8:57:04 GMT
I've yet to play a game series where the choices made in an earlier game have truly meaningful consequences in later ones. It sucks, but I've made peace with that.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 2, 2020 10:21:35 GMT
The "choices" being carried over from game to game have become a burden rather than a boon. Each new "choice" perpetuates and adds to a myriad of states if left unchecked. It's like a hardware memory leak.
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