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Intriguing and entertaining What If (the Soviet Union won the Space Race) / Alternate Reality series en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_All_Mankind_(TV_series)Kinda surprised to haven’t found a thread about it. Season 2 starts in February and it’s already confirmed to get a 3rd season. Despite being quite an avid space enthusiast, I‘ve learned a couple of cool footnotes and concepts from it, that so far haven’t been realized. SciFi vets Ron Moore and Naren Shankar are involved. Production look and feels is really good, the characters and writing is however sometimes bit too much drama/soapy for my taste. |
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Intriguing and entertaining What If (the Soviet Union won the Space Race) / Alternate Reality series en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_All_Mankind_(TV_series)Kinda surprised to haven’t found a thread about it. Season 2 starts in February and it’s already confirmed to get a 3rd season. Despite being quite an avid space enthusiast, I‘ve learned a couple of cool footnotes and concepts from it, that so far haven’t been realized. SciFi vets Ron Moore and Naren Shankar are involved. Production look and feels is really good, the characters and writing is however sometimes bit too much drama/soapy for my taste. Thank you for the pointer to this one  . I am now halfway through season 1 and enjoying it.
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Post by hoku on Jan 18, 2021 8:27:26 GMT
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Post by hoku on Feb 20, 2021 17:08:24 GMT
Season 2
Episode 1
nice (Shuttle) Enterprise & Star Trek shoutout.
wish they would not only have started off with a short recap/flashback of season 1, but also expanded the one they key event since.
a solar flare/storm is/was a good story.
I'm glad there wasn't an invasion/attack from the other side during that (at least so far).
Don't get why Molly went out there, knowing she'll catch a lethal dose and with no hope that the injured moon-buggy driver won't succumb to either the accident injures or the lethal dose. Guess leave no-one behind kinda thing, going out as a hero.
the NASA boss smart lady workaholic sleeping in the office (probably living there full time...) made me chuckle.
Hope to see the (Latin) Dreamer girl she kinda took harshly under her wing, appear this season and succeed.
Her Assistant was hilarious, but also badass in a way, so many updates and tasks around the globe and above.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 3, 2021 21:51:59 GMT
So ... I watched the first 5 episodes of season 1 and honestly, the main thing keeping me interested at this point are some of the visuals.
I just don't understand the point of this series. I mean, usually, I watch something like sci-fi to see the creator's take on a possible future, which I find interesting. I also like sot of "historic" space adventures (love the movie Apollo 13 for example).
But this falls into a weird space between. First, here is this alternative history scenaio where the Russians somehow landed on the moon first. Why this happened is not explained so the series has no connection to "our" reality whatsoever but it
s also set in the past, so there is no interesting perspective to take away from. Funny, they went with real historical personalities from that time of NASA, like Flight Director Gene Kranz, Wernher von Braun, Deke Slayton, John Glenn, etc. and somewhat adapted figures like Molly Cobb in the show, who is inspired by real-life Jerrie Cobb but everything that happens with and to those characters is completely removed from reality. I just don't understand the point of it. Wouldn't it have been much more interesting to do dramatization of the actual events of the Mercury and Apollo program? This to me has very little value, neither in historic nor in scifi terms.
On top of that, the major theme of the cold war Russia vs. USA is pretty lame these days IMO, I don't quite get why one would make a show in 2019 with this as the central conflict driving the plot.
And to top it all off, the series is very "soapy" with emphasis being put on the little interpersonal quibbles between different main characters and their families. Somewhere on the side, there is a (so far) completely disconnected little B-plot about the Mexican janitor at the Houston Space Center who I guess is trying very hard to inspire his daughter to one day become an astronaut or something? It so ridden with cliches, I cringe every time I see those two and I really hope this is leading to something spectacular because right now, it feels a little random.
Anyway, I am a big Fan of pretty much all of Ronald D Moore's work but this is very strange and pretty weak so far. I'll give it 3/10 lunar landers but only because there is some neat space visuals in there. I'll try and at least make it through the first season before I give up on it but that is already a bit of an effort on my part, I gotta admit.
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Post by hoku on Mar 4, 2021 9:25:20 GMT
I'd disagree regarding the political "outdated-ness", but I don't want to turn this political  Anyway I too had issues with the soapy drama parts at times, so I just fast forwarded those when it really bothered me. It also gets a bit better in S2 so far. You can easily read a short recap afterwards if you're bothered that you missed anything major while doing so. As for the janitor daughter story guess it's their their dreamer storyline, hope it has a good pay off or story that evolves, so far not much other than a mention of her. It's not guilty pleasure, nor super important to me like Mass Effect  , just something enjoyable. My hope is, the more the series progresses, both story and time wise, the more SciFi, alternate reality it gets. season 2 = 80s, season 3 = 90s / Examples: Mars program, electric vehicles, cell phones, d(igital)-mail is already there/in the works in the 80s Production quality is really top notch IMO and it's fun to see characters at different stages in their lives |
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I'd disagree regarding the political "outdated-ness", but I don't want to turn this political Anyway I too had issues with the soapy drama parts at times, so I just fast forwarded those when it really bothered me. It also gets a bit better in S2 so far. You can easily read a short recap afterwards if you're bothered that you missed anything major while doing so. As for the janitor daughter story guess it's their their dreamer storyline, hope it has a good pay off or story that evolves, so far not much other than a mention of her. It's not guilty pleasure, nor super important to me like Mass Effect , just something enjoyable. My hope is, the more the series progresses, both story and time wise, the more SciFi, alternate reality it gets. season 2 = 80s, season 3 = 90s / Examples: Mars program, electric vehicles, cell phones, d(igital)-mail is already there/in the works in the 80s Production quality is really top notch IMO and it's fun to see characters at different stages in their lives Well, I don't know. If I have to skip half the series in order to enjoy it, that doesn't bode well. 
I mean, I wouldn't even mind the soapy stuff so much (I love BSG and Babylon 5 for instance and both also were pretty soapy, so is Mass Effect as well by the way ). But I need to have a reason to care about the struggle of those Characters. In future SciFi, I find it interesting to watch how people interact in this projected future society (if done well), what their problems might be and if they can overcome their issues.
But here, it's in principle about the past. If I want to know how people were and what they had to deal with in the 60s and 70s, I watch a documentary, or at least a dramatization of real events like Apollo 13 or Thirteen Days (... by the way, what was it with the number 13 back then ).
But here, it's really weird. This world is not really different enough from ours to offer a totally cool new perspective but also, it is not our world. Best example is right in the first or second episode, when the protagonist laments for 10 minutes or more about how - if NASA had just let him land the LEM during the technical test of the Apollo 10 mission - they'd have won the race to the moon. Well, I feel like it's completely pointless to listen or care about his feelings about this issue because in reality (which this series is still very close to) this never was an issue.
Even worse, because they are still using the names and personality depictions of the real people who were actually involved in the successful Apollo program, here now decisions made (and decisions that were taken in the interest of prudence, safety and integrity no less) are somehow twisted into arguable mistakes or failures. It's a really weird thing to do as author IMO and creates what I would describe as an uncanny valley effect on history for me.
And in extension, that's why I have so much trouble really caring about the cahracters as well, because they are not just fictional (which would be fine) but somehow a distortion of real people and I find that very odd.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 5, 2021 17:35:07 GMT
So, I finished the first season and watched the first episode of s2. Well, I gotta say, it didn't really get that much better. First of all, the one time they do actually have some "space action", they kinda screw it up. When Apollo 24 (prematurely) starts the TLI burn, we see the three astronauts on the outside being dragged along as the ship accelerates. So far so good. When Ellen becomes conscious again 6 minutes later, they are still burning and she has to pull hard on the tether to get Deke back inside. However, as soon as he gets back inside, inertia magically disappears for them. You can see the ship still burning but the blood from his woulnd somehow is floating and they also act like they are in microgravity when in fact at that point of the burn they should exprience about 1.5 g. Then the burn stops and it makes sense that there is no g force anymore. However, with a bleeding wound (and internal bleeding no less) in microgravity, Deke should not have survived the 3 day trip to the moon as blood doesn't drain from wounds properly and clotting doesn't happen as efficiently. Maybe The Expanse has spoiled us a little in that regard but given that this series tried to come across as a more realistic depiction of space flight, I was quite disappointed to see they got quite a few basics wrong there.
Also, what happened with that cosmonaut? So Ed lets him go back to his people at the end but there seems to be no fallout whatsoever? No political reaction from the Soviets? No consequences for Ed for not answering NASA while having a Russian prisoner on his base? I mean, come on.
Oh btw, small missed opportunity in S2 Episode 1: When Margo and the Gneral talk about how a solar flare might cause nuclear war because either side might launch a first strike when they loose satellite coverage of the opponent's arsenal, Margo says "This is crazy!". The General should have responded with "It's not crazy, it's MAD." |
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Maybe The Expanse has spoiled us a little in that regard but given that this series tried to come across as a more realistic depiction of space flight, I was quite disappointed to see they got quite a few basics wrong there.
Also, what happened with that cosmonaut? So Ed lets him go back to his people at the end but there seems to be no fallout whatsoever? No political reaction from the Soviets? No consequences for Ed for not answering NASA while having a Russian prisoner on his base? I mean, come on. 100% on the Expanse making pretty much all other tv or movie space travel look silly, as they are much more science accurate. Glad you gave season 1 a shot, or two. At least now you have a better and bigger sample size to decide whether to continue watching or not. I headcanoned that he let him live and go, after they cleared up the somewhat tragic timing and misunderstanding regarding his kiddos accident and everybody on both sides thus took no further action.
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Post by TopTrog on Mar 10, 2021 22:17:08 GMT
Just caught up on the first three episodes of season 2 and I really like where this show is going. I enjoyed season 1 a lot - the alternate history is well done, they managed to put up lots of interesting situations to put the characters in and I love the understated way they are getting the feel of the 70s and 80s across with the music and lots of small references. But the part I enjoy most is the characters - the mix of strenghts, flaws and how each of them tries to deal with the wide variety of issues they face as a person. At the same time, just enough mystery remains to keep them interesting.
Ironically, my favorite character so far is the one probably most like a classical action heroine - the self-admittedly selfish but tough-as-nails and badass Molly Cobb. I also really liked the small sub-plots centered on relations of some main and side characters such as Margo/Wernher and Karen/Wayne. Looking forward to the next episode tomorrow.
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Post by hoku on Apr 9, 2021 22:51:54 GMT
Episode 7 from last week is my favorite so far this season. best episode of the season yet IMO.
I kinda expect them to "off" the current characters to lighten the character roster and free up space literally and keep the budget within a certain limit, as that usually goes up, the longer a series runs.
I was worried about Ed when he had to eject, Gordo was in a bad place, Molly got the solar storm overdose.
Really sad about Tom, though his passing/plane being shot down served multiple purposes and story/character paths.
Depsite not showing details on screen, expect a slight flash/bump. It was done in a "tactful, yet impactful". Sorry for the lack of better terms.
Also glad Tracy so far has escaped harms way while the superpowers starting military stuff on the lunar rock.
Who was the excuse me lack for better term "Vodka/Saussage guy" visiting Danielle in the "legendary" Cosmonaut "hotel" room?
Also, nice that she still left her name there too!
Hope Ellen and Pam have a future togehther publicly and private, with her (ex)husband as her friend and adviser and her keeping the politicans and military folk in check with her role becoming permanent.
Margo's vending machine advice and talk with Aleida was positive and I really applaud her for passing the coded warning Sergej.
the bar kiss was inevitable. Would be good if that story line is just done now and won't come back below are my thoughts on episode 8. 2 more episodes to come before the season is done. MoonShot first, ask later, just instead of on the streets, it's up on the moon. Many Escalating and extending the unfortunately inevitable superpower sh!tshow to Space. Also what a horrible way to go for the Cosmonaut! Gordo owning up to his past and being frank and straight with Tracy about it and that he's up there to get her back, if she lets him, was good character development. I was extremely worried something would happen to Gordo and the Shuttle at launch though, specially after him being all smiles. Ed helping Gordo suit up was a nice moment. the barThey should have let that storyline end with last weeks episode. This is just turning up the "drama" knob. MollyIt got dusty quickly in my place, when she reached out to space. Glad she told her partner the truth. Hope she's not deteriorating quickly EllenHoping for a public coming out and keeping/taking the job. Fearing the breakup and potential throwing the towel job wise too. KellyOf Corse her biological father is alive and has a happy new family... Depending on how Ed/Karens relationship continues, a tale of two very different worlds. Bill/AleidaIt was getting dusty again, as Bill told the full story and Aleida hers. Hope they can mend what's broken and work together or even support each other going forward in a non romantic way. Margo & Sergej and the personal assistant the personal assistant was just hilarious and as competent as one can be too. Too bad she interrupted the coupling maneuver (for now, but at least she helped with the clothes) Also, thankfully the Margo to Sergej rescue tipp off seems to be not an issue...until the inevitable "they shot our Cosmonauts, they weaponized Pathfinder, we must weaponized Buran etc." Pathfinder TeamHope they somehow refuse to use it, once it's up there. To me it seems all 3 of them are not only unhappy but opposed to it, some more public and vocal so far that others. |
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Post by hoku on Apr 16, 2021 23:23:50 GMT
here are my thoughts on Episode 9. good episode, what an ending!
When I saw the Astronauts doing "routine" maintenance checks, then one looked out...
I knew immediately something would happen.
However I thought it would end with the Astronaut getting sucked out to the moon surface through the shot window...
then hands, boots in the window...
here I go, thinking one Cosmonaut going for revenge...
then wait, WTF more hands, boots, more weapons and Cosmonauts...
Holly S*ht!
Just cool
Pathfinder launching from a plane, "just flying off into space".
Star Trek quote/talk from Danielle during the Apollo launch.
Worried
Looks like pretty much all of the main cast are on the chopping board of sorts potentially:
Ed on armed Pathfinder
Danielle on the Apollo/Soyuz
Molly is already radiation damaged.
Gordo and Tracy in conquered Jamestown Base.
Ellen potentially under political pressure/public eye stepping down or forced to do so (due to the sleazy politician maybe uncovering her, her husbands and Pams secret)
Glad
Molly changed her mind and returned to Wayne.
Aleida was back in mission control, along and next to Bill.
Sad
for Margo and Sergej and scientific collaboration and potential international and personal relations
for Ellen and Pam's relationship. Clearly that letter was a lie and Ellens husband knows. Makes it even worse.
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Post by TopTrog on Apr 24, 2021 9:43:12 GMT
Just finished watching the last episode of season two and....wow, what a way to conclude what has been an outstanding season. The combination of the personal stories and the overall plot arc that I liked so much in season 1 is taken to the next level here. This series achives something that I feel is quite unique - both the big and small personal stories of the characters forming a coherent and relatable basis for what they do in the pivotal moments when huge implications for both small groups and the whole world ride on the decisions they make. Not all of these intertwined stories work equally well, but all of them show remarkable empathy in giving examples of what makes people tick and how it translates into what they do. And when they work, the small moments they produce are all the way more powerful. And the actors pull it off beautifully.
I especially liked the way they showed the characters question and doubt themselves in view of what they were facing and subsequently growing because of it. You may not like all of the characters, but this show manages to make you care about them nonetheless, which is quite the achievement. And that makes it hit quite a bit harder when not everything works out for them they way you want it to. I am very much looking forward to where season 3 will take us.
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Post by hoku on Jun 12, 2022 9:35:12 GMT
the season 3 premiere was quite thrilling. loved that Aleida gets to go to space and can share it with her former NASA janitor dad happy so many OG characters are back (could have done and do completely without Karen though) just guessing some character/plot developments:
Ed's injury will lead to his NASA exit, along with their decision to go with Danielle as Mars mission leader. Ed will then go to the private sector.
Danny? (Gordon/Tracy's elder son) is already an astronaut, he'll join the Mars mission.
Ed's daughter in the arctic too (they need scientists on Mars and keep her involved in the story + well ice/water/microbiology is a thing on Mars)
Ellen will run for president, but her private life will become public, fingers crossed it's not a hindrance and she'll become the first female president (longer story arc)
Ellen's gay/bi former? husband will get Aids. (According to the "intro video" the Aids pandemic still happened, also this and Ellen's private life leaking is the only story threads I can see for him.
Margo's Russian romance/info sharing thing will come to head, including her Russian pal having to work for the KGB
Molly's healthy will deteriorate further until the bitter end.
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Post by hoku on Jun 24, 2022 18:36:28 GMT
Gamer Changer (Episode 2)
Charismatic Dev, the space entrepreneur. Can't shake the feeling something is iffy, but it actually would be awesome if that's a red Hering and he has no sinister intentions (and no secret overlord desires and lairs)
I can see Molly's reasoning with choosing Ed.
Daniele handled it with class, Ed (somewhat) later on understandably not, still doesn't excuse him in the Outpost with Danielle however.
Ed getting THE big mission still, albeit as a privateer space captain (not sure he's a good match for such a "company spirit") - still a shoe box of medals and an unhappy life to show for it. I'm predicting him not surviving the season and somehow heroically rescuing the mission, his daughter, Danny or such.
Margo's fall from grace coming up eventually, didn't think she'd kick out Molly. WOW!
Could have done without the "Karen/Danny" thing brought up/back.
WTF for Ellen teaming up with such a candidate, sell your soul/success for the white house office. Her private life situation will blow up in her face I'm sure.
All in (indeed) (Episode 3)big decisions all around at NASA, Helios, "Ros-Cosmos", the white house, the Baldwins, Aleida, Margo Guess the bathtub scene "Way to go Ed" was Molly's last  Margo's downfall in, one painful puzzle after another (Sergej, blackmail, flight director Bill leaving) - the only "win" for he is Aleida sticking with her Aleida putting job before family (husband, kid, dad), probably kinda regretting or at least thinking about the Helios offer, especially with Bill leaving, still the "moon rock refusal" showed spine. Danny Stevens following his Dad's footsteps, good and bad. Karen's delayed reaction to the announcement was lol. There is gonna be flying fists between Ed and Danny - eventually the cat will be out of the bag somehow. Not sure Ed is really thrilled for Kelly choosing NASA. I'm just happy she's on board. IMO she's gonna find proof of past life on Mars and gonna be the new "Baldwin" main character in the future. No big thing Ellen as the president, don't think she'll last (her actual vs "public" private life, her very differently aligned number 2. 3 are all in. can't wait for more
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Post by hoku on Jul 8, 2022 16:40:23 GMT
3.5 = good episode!
Loved Molly's husband showing up, didn't even mind Karen for once.
Character growth from Ed aborting the nearly mars mountain crash landing - still think he will heroically bite the dust saving Kelly
(inspirational) Kelly Baldwin upcoming story arc: will find out she's pregnant, then eventually will birth the first martian as well as finding proof of extra terrestrial life (in the flash forward/next season(s).
I expected the Russian commander to pull such a move after being told to shut up - hilarious, but fitting in a way. Glad Danielle made it just in time to stumble onto Mars together.
Creep/Cringe Danny with the master PW, now also professionally angry and not just jealous at Ed: what could go wrong...
Dev(il) still got some evil master plan I suspect.
Here's hoping Margo will be able to "rescue" Sergei and family, then coming clean about it to Ellen.
Aleida isn't going to handle it well for sure and I think she'll do something prior that inadvertently nixes Margo's rescue plans and could be another factor to bring down Ellen if the later isn't assassinated or has to resign because the truth about her private life becomes public knowledge.
there will be drama soon (internal cosmonaut: whatever their plans were/are + the "moon traitor" + Kelly's romantic partner)
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Post by hoku on Jul 15, 2022 12:39:15 GMT
3.6 New Eden Hey Bob (Danielle / Ed) - all good and respect again Danielle's job isn't fun with all the crew stuff indeed. Kelly making and later also finding extra terrestrial life on another planet Ed's "f*cking Russians" gets a whole other meaning :biggrin: - you don't even know her name - this is gonna be a funny reveal. I blame it all on Kelly though after she sussed Alexei not to tell Ed. Aleida's "fury" will unintentionally bring down Margo. Margo will loose her job, but might get spared worse/pardoned, if she can show what she gained from Sergei (water coordinates). Hope she can also get his family to safety. Danny whatever - please let it all be over soon. Tyler: loved how he explained wanting to build better from the start. Hope he gets trough it all - stays on Mars/in Space - thus never gets demoted or whatever and is part of the show's future storyline. Hope Ellen comes out publicly ahead of the Larry reveal - what is more important for her: her real self / life or just the re-election... Hope we get to see Pam, even if it is just a happy/satisfied smile regarding Ellen coming out on TV or something. May Larry and the Vice president vanish into thin air together... |
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Post by hoku on Jul 22, 2022 10:14:11 GMT
3.7 Bring it down everything crumbles... Danny Stevens  endangers the mission, the others and himself. Wonder how many he killed and what that means for the whole space program efforts of all of them.... and he seems to get away... and now poor injured Ed is stuck with him in a close confinement... Njeeeeeeet  Was that Kelly's partner who got caught by the water/rock wave?! Yay for Ellen going to Pam - still shipping them  , hope they have at least a heart to heart talk - would love to see them reunite and Ellen to come out on her terms Margo looses everything within 3-2-1, first Sergei, now her job she lives for. Should have come clean to Aleida or at least try to explain, not sure she was going to take it up with whomever she said prior Wonder if by seasons end, that's it for the whole old(est) guard: Ed, Larry/Ellen, Margo. Certainly shaping up this way |
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Post by hoku on Aug 5, 2022 2:44:21 GMT
3.09
Yay for Ellen finally doing the right thing!
Yay for the Pam cameo, hope we still get to see her - still shipping them.
Yay for Tyler and his newfound friend
Ugh, hope Kelly and kid pull trough
Nay for Helios boardroom maneuvers. Rooting for Dev now!
Nay for Aleida being pissed at Bill. Shouldn't have told him then...
Chekhov's rocket...
How did he survive that long in such a small thing (air, food, water?!)
Is it a one way mission?
how did he survive the 7 minutes of hell landing?)
so many questions
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Post by hoku on Jul 13, 2023 22:04:07 GMT
Any word on when we can expect to see For All Mankind Season 4? And maybe some scoop on what we’re in for when it returns?An Apple TV+ premiere date continues to elude us, but co-showrunner Ben Nedivi told us (in pre-strike times) that more change is ahead in Season 4. “We always knew by jumping ahead decades that we wouldn’t be able to really just hold onto the original cast the whole way through, but I think we also didn’t want to do a thing where you completely swap out casts between seasons,” Nedivi said. So expect Season 4 to “bring in newer characters that kind of maybe show another side of the space program, another side of the world, to really expand the storytelling capabilities.” Source tvline.com/lists/evil-season-4-release-date-spoilers-david-kristen-the-entity/
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Post by saandrig on Nov 15, 2023 7:36:40 GMT
It was funny to watch Margo move around some of my old haunts. A few days ago I literally visited the bakery shown in the first episode.
They didn't bother digitally erasing all the car licensing plates, so you can still see it's European Union ones. But they did retouche and alter a lot of backgrounds.
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Post by hoku on Nov 15, 2023 21:55:35 GMT
saw the season openener and so it seems there is 2 things why I still watch that soap/drama opera with some althistory/science/space throw in... - What happened with Margo, why isn't she leading (in secret) the sovjet program, did she get those injuries during the what's now called "Molly Comb Space Center" attack?
- Where will the series go, how far into the future / how SciFi-ish?
- Just don't care anymore about terrible fake hair/beard Ed, neither Danielle encore nor the PTSD Aleida story or the Oiler/Miner one they started to introduce.
- RIP Molly Comb (most fun character) and my 2nd favorte Grigory Kuznetsov (Lev Gorn)
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. I am now halfway through season 1 and enjoying it. 
, just something enjoyable. 
, hope they have at least a heart to heart talk - would love to see them reunite and Ellen to come out on her terms
