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Post by Noxluxe on Jan 24, 2021 0:34:08 GMT
I'm liking it okay so far. The humor is kind of adorable and cringey and sweet, and for some reason Elizabeth Olsen just rocks as a pseudo-60's sitcom wife. Sometimes I'm a bit annoyed that they've basically shredded her characterization from Age of Ultron, I'm still wondering where the Sokovian accent and all that childhood trauma went, but she's so much fun to watch that I just turn a blind eye to it when she's on the screen. Still disappointed that they gave Black Widow a posthumous prequel film and tried to make Captain Marvel 'the new female face of the MCU' and are doing that stunt with Natalie Portman as She-Thor, but somehow couldn't be arsed to give Wanda Maximoff - the actually most powerful hero in the MCU, who is still alive and theoretically relevant and is an actually semi-developed, likable and popular character in her own right with strong connections with the previous phase's heroes and events that nonetheless don't tie her down anymore - her own movies. Like, wtf? She's the entire catalyst of both Age of Ultron and Civil War, her beatdown of Thanos in Endgame is one of the biggest crowdpleasers in that movie, and her story with Vision in Infinity War is utterly heartbreaking. Everyone I've spoken to about any of those movies agree that she's incredibly cool and well-played, and really underutilized. It seems so silly and counterintuitive that Disney/Marvel isn't doing more with her than a quirky television show while trying to make a big deal of getting more use out of their female heroes. And watching the first couple of episodes, the show definitely still feels like a massive underuse of her potential. And it'd be really bitter if Olsen and Paul Bettany didn't kick so much ass, and the whole thing wasn't so charming. But the third episode leaves some hope that she'll at least be back in the real world and have some adventures of her own soon enough. And the idea of a huge military-scientific operation to keep her isolated, contained and occupied, and maybe even controlled, isn't terrible or unbelievable at all considering her power level.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 29, 2021 22:10:13 GMT
So.....more questions created than answered in episode 4? One thing is clear, though; Wanda does not have “some measure” of control.
She IS in control. And aware. Now, I guess, the question becomes, was she tricked/manipulated into this state? Or just went mad with grief/PTSD and did it all herself?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 4:49:37 GMT
Okay, so in terms of this episode moving the main story forward, it felt like filler and confirmation. Saying that, the very next thing I have to say is, I loved it. The intro felt like we were finally back in a Marvel production. When the Marvel intro-reel/music started I got that familiar hyped feeling. The show up to now, while good, hasn't felt quite like "Marvel". This almost seems like the real beginning of the series. Smelled a bit of an unwelcome trope in the introduction to the acting Director that "SWORD isn't your mom's SWORD" anymore. Basically, " good guy who was single-handedly keeping a powerful organization from getting corrupt leaves and comes back to *shocked pikachu* a corrupt organization." Doubt it'll be a problem in this series but vague hand-wavy foreshadow for something in the future. If I'm right... ehhh, we did the HYDRA infiltrated SHIELD thing already. I hope I'm reading into it too much and we don't go that exceedingly derivative route, again. I am happy with who they brought in as secondary characters. Good choices with Woo and Darcy. Ties the MCU together a bit more, they both offer their unique styles of humour, and both actors nail their roles. One thing that I'm wondering, who was the first missing person? The one in witness-protection? No ideas yet. The little nod to (Skrulls?) in the bottom left was a nice touch. That and the acknowledgement of the repeated hexagon he's writing. Next one is REALLY odd. I didn't catch this myself. Saw a post on reddit about it, went back and checked. I dunno if this is a genuine blooper or foreshadow or wtf it is. I enlarged the NOTES section. It's an odd read. Almost as if this sheet is used again in the next episode and they mistakenly used it too early for this scene without changing it or something. I dunno. Vision hasn't released anyone, and Norm hasn't become himself yet. Weird... When Wanda kicks Geraldine/Monica out I got the sense she didn't want to kill her. (Cause... she'd be dead after that.) She ejected her sure, but didn't disintegrate, blow up, or otherwise destroy her. She would've had to use her power to protect her along with moving her. Along with the obvious level of awareness Wanda demonstrates, that also says to me she's aware enough not to kill for any old reason. However, she looks bewildered a bit. I still think she got nudged in the direction by Agnes or her as yet unseen hubby "Ralph" but she's obviously holding the reins. Dead Vision. I've had the suspicion Vision will make a long term come-back due to Wanda's power being a direct result of the Mind Stone. It raises a couple questions in that regard. Is it his literal dead body in there? Is Wanda using it like a puppet (IMO, no.) or rather is she powering him herself somehow? Essentially, is that really Vision in there? I'm starting to think it is. Kills my theory that he's Mephisto but oh well. Plays into my guess that, if that's really Visions corpse, then he can be revived using her power, permanently. That assumes he's not a complete puppet though. Given he's expressed doubts about his surroundings himself I'm guessing that's really Vision in there, Wanda's just acting like a mini-Mind Stone battery for him. I wonder if this whole thing ends with her losing a significant portion of her powers to restore Vision. *** Fun episode, and I'm curious to see the division of time in the next ep. Do we see the show from the outside perspective or are we sucked back into the sitcom for a whole ep, or is it split half'n'half...
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Post by Sifr on Feb 3, 2021 16:59:05 GMT
So.....more questions created than answered in episode 4? One thing is clear, though; Wanda does not have “some measure” of control.
She IS in control. And aware. Now, I guess, the question becomes, was she tricked/manipulated into this state? Or just went mad with grief/PTSD and did it all herself? What's even better is rewatching the first episode, Wanda even says she has "everything under control" whilst on the phone.
It seems that the "glitches in the Matrix" only occur when Wanda feels like she's losing control, allowing the illusion to briefly be broken and reality to seep through. The hard questions at the dinner party, the other women shunning her at the meeting, the radio message, the "Beekeeper" SWORD agent, the SWORD drone, "Geraldine" mentioning her brother and Ultron, Vision's belief that something was wrong, etc...
Each "glitch" was then followed by either an rewind, NPC reset or something happening to reinforce the illusion (the boss choking at dinner, a sudden rapid pregnancy to distract her and Vision, etc). It seems that Wanda, either consciously or subconsciously, is using her power to protect herself from a reality she doesn't want to accept (one where Vision is dead).
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Post by Sifr on Feb 3, 2021 17:15:30 GMT
I'm liking it okay so far. The humor is kind of adorable and cringey and sweet, and for some reason Elizabeth Olsen just rocks as a pseudo-60's sitcom wife. Sometimes I'm a bit annoyed that they've basically shredded her characterization from Age of Ultron, I'm still wondering where the Sokovian accent and all that childhood trauma went, but she's so much fun to watch that I just turn a blind eye to it when she's on the screen. I'm operating under the assumption that like many people across the world who aren't native speakers, Wanda learned to speak English by watching a ton of old sitcoms as a kid. That's likely also the reason behind why she's trapped in TV-Land, because it's something she'd find familiar and makes her feel safe.
I agree that they should have at least handwaved her loss of accent post-Ultron by acknowledging Wanda has begun affecting an American accent to fit in, but occasionally lapses back into Sokovian when angered or stressed? They could even have had a scene of Wanda thanking Nat for helping her improve her English, showing the two of them had bonded offscreen as the only women and non-native English speakers in the Avengers (at that time).
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 4, 2021 11:03:59 GMT
I'm operating under the assumption that like many people across the world who aren't native speakers, Wanda learned to speak English by watching a ton of old sitcoms as a kid. That's likely also the reason behind why she's trapped in TV-Land, because it's something she'd find familiar and makes her feel safe. I agree that they should have at least handwaved her loss of accent post-Ultron by acknowledging Wanda has begun affecting an American accent to fit in, but occasionally lapses back into Sokovian when angered or stressed? They could even have had a scene of Wanda thanking Nat for helping her improve her English, showing the two of them had bonded offscreen as the only women and non-native English speakers in the Avengers (at that time). That's a good thought. We were taught English almost first thing in school, but I definitely remember the years of trying to make heads and tails of quirky family dramas from very unhelpful subtitles to repeated laugh tracks that made it all seem very cheerful but no less confusing. Never thought about what it might be like to have to rely entirely on outdated American entertainment to form an understanding the language. That seems... vaguely horrifying. Was really disappointed by the most recent episode. Wanda-generated alternate reality zone shenanigans seems way less interesting than the government using some adaptation of Jake Gyllenhaal's hologram technology to keep her imprisoned because she could basically conquer the universe if she wanted to. Was also looking forward to Kat Dennings' appearance as I liked her in Thor, but her presentation was pretty underwhelming. The 'aaaaw' at Wanda and Vision getting all lovey-dovey on the screen was nice though. And yup, Wanda and Natasha language class girl-time would have been sweet. With Thor occasionally dropping in to unlearn some of his ye olde English speech patterns. Was going to object to him being labeled a native English speaker, but the whole Asgaard-Earth cultural influence situation has always been too weird to say that for certain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 14:30:25 GMT
Well fuck. Ep5 ending shifting the bedrock.
This is how it begins I guess.
Mutants have entered the chat. I'm pretty hesitant about the whole thing, I hope they pull it off. I know with the things I've been hearing about Spidermen and Multiverses shit's about to get really weird but that's a very fine line to walk without getting so abstract as to become ridiculous. *** I was exceptionally glad Monica realized she'd be dead if not for Wanda actively choosing not to kill her during the ejection. (As I mentioned in an above post.) *** The Acting-Director being a complete "She's a Terrorist" dick is a tad trite and tropey. Boo one-dimensional characters. Hopefully they throw a curve-ball there and this is just all set-up.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 5, 2021 21:17:02 GMT
Loved it. Ep4 was great. This was fucking outstanding. Had a rough sleep so some early thoughts; What the hell is going on?!?!
She actually has Vision’s corpse in there with her. So much for him being “the part of her subconscious that wants out”.
She is fully, fully aware. So much for her being kept in there, after initially creating it as some form of therapy.
Why was Monica angry when they mentioned Captain Marvel in the “my superhero could beat up your superhero” conversation. Something to do with her mother’s death?
Evan Peters showing up as Piotr is cool. Reality is being warped, universes collide. I buy it. But it brings me to the comment currently being dissected online wrt to this show...that they have a “Luke in the Mandolorian” level appearance, who is someone Paul Bethany has ‘always wanted to work with’. So, big star, linked to Marvel film mythology....Ian McKellen or Michael Fassbender as Magneto are my picks. And now I need some coffee.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 5, 2021 21:18:35 GMT
I can't get my head around the whole 1940s-50s TV look. Not sure what that's all about, if it's part of the aesthetic design or has something to more in-line with the overarching plot of the series....But for some reason, WandaVision just doesn't look like something I'd be interested in. Maybe I would feel different and understand more if I actually tried to watch an episode or two...give it a shot, but based on the Trailer....I just can't find the motivation to click the 'PLAY' Button.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 5, 2021 21:29:05 GMT
I can't get my head around the whole 1940s-50s TV look. Not sure what that's all about, if it's part of the aesthetic design or has something to more in-line with the overarching plot of the series....But for some reason, WandaVision just doesn't look like something I'd be interested in. Maybe I would feel different and understand more if I actually tried to watch an episode or two...give it a shot, but based on the Trailer....I just can't find the motivation to click the 'PLAY' Button. The trailer was what actually made me interested , but that’s fine. The episodes are short, so if you can bring yourself to watch the first couple, the “real” story will start to reveal itself. There is a very good - albeit, weird - reason for the 50’s sitcom aesthetic. And it changes, episode to episode.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 5, 2021 21:59:42 GMT
I can't get my head around the whole 1940s-50s TV look. Not sure what that's all about, if it's part of the aesthetic design or has something to more in-line with the overarching plot of the series....But for some reason, WandaVision just doesn't look like something I'd be interested in. Maybe I would feel different and understand more if I actually tried to watch an episode or two...give it a shot, but based on the Trailer....I just can't find the motivation to click the 'PLAY' Button. The trailer was what actually made me interested , but that’s fine. The episodes are short, so if you can bring yourself to watch the first couple, the “real” story will start to reveal itself. There is a very good - albeit, weird - reason for the 50’s sitcom aesthetic. And it changes, episode to episode. I'll keep that in mind and give it some thought, Dragon. Thanks for your input.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 22:18:17 GMT
Why was Monica angry when they mentioned Captain Marvel in the “my superhero could beat up your superhero” conversation. Something to do with her mother’s death? I caught that too and I don't know. Maybe she thinks Marvel abandoned them?
Certainly setting up a lot of tidbits for only 4 episodes left. Hopefully it gets wrapped up well, or ported into Dr Strange 2 properly.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 5, 2021 23:00:39 GMT
Why was Monica angry when they mentioned Captain Marvel in the “my superhero could beat up your superhero” conversation. Something to do with her mother’s death? I caught that too and I don't know. Maybe she thinks Marvel abandoned them?
Certainly setting up a lot of tidbits for only 4 episodes left. Hopefully it gets wrapped up well, or ported into Dr Strange 2 properly. I did see...somewhere...online (and I have wracked my brain and Googles to try and remember where), that WandaVision, Spider-Man 3 and Dr Strange 2 are all one “mini-phase” of the MCU to get us ready for the bonkersness to come.
If true, then the possibilities are endless, I guess.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 5, 2021 23:23:30 GMT
Also, if Wanda ends up “Bad” on a (semi)permanent basis, they don’t have to look any further than the security footage scene where they’d pulled Vision’s corpse apart...
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 6, 2021 7:10:41 GMT
The trailers were what turned me off at first too, but someone convinced me to give it a shot and I got into it because they actually made the 50's sitcom thing work. At this point I'd honestly have preferred if they stuck to the format of the first two episodes and just made it a weird alternate reality Marvel sitcom show. Still not feeling all the new developments.
Wanda deliberately or accidentally taking a town hostage and being unconcerned about it doesn't seem consistent with her agony over the bystander casualties in Civil War or her own experiences of being locked in place due to the threat of someone else's power as a child.
In my mind, the Wanda from the movies would have hated the situation as soon as she realized what it was, and felt compelled to work to fix it.
Vision feels pretty much in character, though. Their conversation at the end feels natural on his part, with him gently but insistently urging her to realize that this is wrong and can't be allowed to go on, because he can't exist like this and doesn't want her to either. Really don't think he would have let the doorbell distract them from the subject though.
I'm not a huge fan of Evan Peters' Quicksilver, so having that very heartfelt and crucial conversation cut off to introduce Wanda's recast brother was irritating and just... awkward. Wish they hadn't.
Still mourning for a hypothetical movie or tv-show about Wanda having adventures and being herself without all this weirdness taking up the screentime and garbling her characterization.
The "take the shot" moment was nice though. Considering the circumstances I feel like it was pretty fucking justified.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 16:02:20 GMT
Also, if Wanda ends up “Bad” on a (semi)permanent basis, they don’t have to look any further than the security footage scene where they’d pulled Vision’s corpse apart... Saw this pertinent pic on reddit, apparently the shot is a nod to the comics.
And yeah that shot was something else. Interesting the way they're going a bit "Horror genre" with the show sometimes. Thinking back to the first shot we get of dead-Vision as well.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 6, 2021 21:11:30 GMT
Dead Vision talking was a creepy moment I hadn’t anticipated, for sure.
Nit pick of the minor variety; how the hell did the corpse of an Android built with privately held IP (Tony and Bruce), made of Vibranium that was left in Wakanda end up in the hands of the American Government?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 6, 2021 23:39:32 GMT
Dead Vision talking was a creepy moment I hadn’t anticipated, for sure.
Nit pick of the minor variety; how the hell did the corpse of an Android built with privately held IP (Tony and Bruce), made of Vibranium that was left in Wakanda end up in the hands of the American Government? My guess is that someone at S.W.O.R.D. took the chance to get hold of it while everyone was distracted by the Snap - Tony was in space, the Wakandans had just lost T'Challa AND Shuri. Under the circumstances I don't think it's that weird that when someone from the government asked Bruce if they could take custody of Vision's corpse and 'keep it safe' he said yes.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 7, 2021 10:37:02 GMT
Dead Vision talking was a creepy moment I hadn’t anticipated, for sure.
Nit pick of the minor variety; how the hell did the corpse of an Android built with privately held IP (Tony and Bruce), made of Vibranium that was left in Wakanda end up in the hands of the American Government? My guess is that someone at S.W.O.R.D. took the chance to get hold of it while everyone was distracted by the Snap - Tony was in space, the Wakandans had just lost T'Challa AND Shuri. Under the circumstances I don't think it's that weird that when someone from the government asked Bruce if they could take custody of Vision's corpse and 'keep it safe' he said yes.
Entirely too sensible! But yeah, that could work as a headcanon (assuming they don't flat out tell us).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 7, 2021 10:39:15 GMT
One thing that has - rather belatedly - occurred to me.
WandaVision is set 3 weeks after the Blipped returned, right? But Far From Home was months after, so - chronologically - WandaVision takes place before Far From Home...which is fine, but weird.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 11, 2021 3:31:02 GMT
Ok - assuming Bettany is being truthful about the cameo and how he's "always wanted to work with this actor"... Magneto is out. Or, at least, Ian McKellen is out. They were together in the Da Vinci Code. Trouble is, I don't think Fassbender (or McAvoy, for that matter) fits the bill of a Marvel film "legend" who'd provide a cameo to rival Luke in Mandalorian S2. Phenomenal actor, just...not in the same league as McKellen, Stewart or Jackman. No way in hell Jackman is coming back for this and if McKellen is ruled out then that leaves only Stewart. Just about everybody loves Patrick Stewart, so that'd be fine, but I couldn't think of a reason why Wanda would 'cast' him. There is no family connection there. Then a mate and I were texting just now and the idea was raised - maybe she doesn't bring him in. Maybe he isn't there physically in Westview. Maybe he uses his psychic connection to Pietro to reach across the multiverse and talk to her? Anyway, at this point, I've put so much bloody time in to thinking about this cameo (which is still several episodes away) that I don't think anything is going to live up to the hype I've created in my head.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 13, 2021 4:21:33 GMT
At the risk of talking to myself... Vision’s “studio notes” about there being no other children were taken on board, and in true ‘on the bubble’ sitcom style, they over-corrected.
The veil of pretence has been almost completely thrown away, which is...a bummer. I would’ve preferred a continuation of the moments of fear/panic/despair to be kept as small “glitches in the Matrix” for a little while longer, and for the powers of Wanda’s family to be intended as a secret, but maybe there is a good reason for it.
I was almost ready to damn Wanda as a villain (and honestly, she still probably is), but her comment about “not knowing how she did it” to Pietro has me wavering on going back to the original theory that she was somehow tricked into this reality and then decided she liked it,
Monica’s cells have been altered by passing into the Hex twice. As, presumably, have the cells of every citizen of Westview and every member of SWORD. Almost like they’ve laid the groundwork for a cluster of people who have...mutated...in some way. Probably not, since the multiverse is a thing, but it is a possibility, I guess.
Not as good as Ep4 and certainly not as good as 5, but a strong inclusion.
WHY ARE THEY SO DAMNED SHORT?
Also, 90s...I do not miss that decade. Can’t wait to see the scenes from the early 2000s.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 21, 2021 18:53:26 GMT
No spoilers but the revelations just keep on rolling. E7...whoa!
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 4, 2021 21:16:47 GMT
Spoiler for ep8 *tears up crazy board of red string and Marvel legacy film actor headshots*
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