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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 30, 2021 19:59:13 GMT
I ahve done further PC troubleshooting, ruling out my RTX 2080 Super FTW 3 Ultra (because after replacing it with an older 1080 FTW 2...my PC issues still happen), I have run Windows Memory Diagnostic and MemTest86 two times each (finding zero memory defects or errors in each program each time), and I have stress tested my Intel 6850K using the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool, and that also, have been given a green-light PASS in every category. The only thing I have no tested is my Phoenix SLI motherboard, aside from visually inspecting it for leaking, popped or shorted-out capacitors (all of which would leave some kind of evidence on the surfaces of the motherboard) of which I see nothing.
Yet my problems still occur without fail and have become so widespread, so insidious as to completely render my Windows environment unusable. Even after numerous completely clean and fresh installs of the lastest Windows build, using Media Creator Tool and the Windows digital Update Assistant to 'push' the absolute latest (and as of yet unreleased) build 21 H1 to my PC with the assistance of a senior Microsoft Tech....my problems are a constant blight.
So I am going to be taking it to Canada COmputers this week for them to diagnose/fix (if they can) though I may very well be buying a new set-up. The Phoenix SLI from Gigabyte was a very expensive motherboard when I bought it brand new in 2016. I paid 500.00 for it.....And I am annoyed that it has only lasted 5 years. Understandably this has soured my impression of Gigabyte. My alternative is ASUS, but after my years of bad luck with Asus products (both GPUs and Motherboards.....) my Maximus VI Hero had nothing but problems since the day I bought it (BIOS issues, defective RAM slots, warped GPU slots....all of which were RMA'd and never fixed properly after up to 3 months per task)....I only had that Board three years between 2013 and 2016, when I moved to Gigabyte (with the aforementioned Phoenix SLI) and vowed never to return to using ASUS.
But those are the brands on my short list: Gigabyte (Z490 Master, Z590 Master) OR ASUS (ROG maximus Hero XII, Hero XIII, Strix 590-E Gaming Wifi 6) and I would pair either one of those boards with either the Intel 10-850K (for Z490 board choices) or the 11900K (for Z590 choices)
All of the boards and CPUs I have mentioned look nice (visually) and I am sure they are top notch performing.....But I am mostly concerned about build quality and longevity. What is most important to me is that I get a board and CPU that lasts a long time.
I remember back in the 90s....and even the mid 2000s, ASUS' trademark was "Rock Solid, Heart Touching" and they truly were. You could do anything to them and they would just last and last for many years. My Dad has a media PC using an Intel 4790K and a mid-range ASUS board of that vintage....and the board is still going strong. Yet the Maximus VI HERO I had was paired with the 4770, and as I said, it was problems for three years. I couldn't wait to get rid of it. In 2008, I had the P5E Deluxe Gaming paired with an Intel QX9650....and when that got fried from a lightning strike, it broke my heart because that was an incredible board in every way at the time.
So....I guess my question is.....Should it come down to having to buy new stuff.....Which would you all recommend? Z490 590? Gigabyte or ASUS (and of those brands, which boards from the ones I have listed?)
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 30, 2021 20:28:41 GMT
I will always only recommend the X series chipsets anymore. They are more "rock solid" than the consumer Z's. I know they cost more and the CPU's cost more but you'll get better stability in all my experience with both series. I expect my next one to last at least 8 years like this one has.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 30, 2021 21:14:04 GMT
Thanks for the input, 40-D
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 31, 2021 7:34:56 GMT
Also the lower the DPC latency on motherboard, the better it performs usually (Anandtech has the test on their System part of MB tests)
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Post by rewindbutton on May 31, 2021 9:49:30 GMT
The only thing I have no tested is my Phoenix SLI motherboard, aside from visually inspecting it for leaking, popped or shorted-out capacitors (all of which would leave some kind of evidence on the surfaces of the motherboard) of which I see nothing. Capacitors can go bad without leaving visible evidence. So, yeah, my finger is beginning to point at your MB. My quick recommendation without any serious comparison is to get a X-series MB with AMD Ryzen. As to the brand, I'm biased, because I only buy MSI these days. Lost my faith in ASUS, so maybe Gigabyte?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 31, 2021 10:00:23 GMT
The only thing I have no tested is my Phoenix SLI motherboard, aside from visually inspecting it for leaking, popped or shorted-out capacitors (all of which would leave some kind of evidence on the surfaces of the motherboard) of which I see nothing. My quick recommendation without any serious comparison is to get a X-series MB with AMD Ryzen. Dang I forgot X series are on both. Well, you cannot go very wrong going either AMD or Intel X-series. Edit: Actually on AMD side the MB's DPC latencies are way lower than on the X299 Intel, until late BIOS updates for Intel X's dropped it to 100's..
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 31, 2021 12:55:32 GMT
As much as it breaks my heart to have to buy new stuff without completely and fully exhausting all options for repairing my PC....I have swapped out, tested, troubleshooted, every piece of harware I can....doing clean and fresh installs of Windows on each of my M.2s and SSD....Stress tested my CPU and checked my RAM for errors....Even swapped out my GPUs-- and after all that the problem still happens without fail. Part of me still wants to do more diagnosing and fixing, but for everything I have done the problem is still occurring without fail, so that logically leads me to believe that in some way the motherboard is defective.
I have only ever bought one AMD CPU back in 2002 the Athalon 64X2. I had it installed in a midtower case with no case fans except for eight 20mm fans strung around throughout the inside of the case....And the CPU was so underpowered and overworked and became so hot that it literally fused itself to the socket. I took it back to the guy who built it for me and for an additional 50 dollars he built me a new system with a Intel 2.2 Ghz Core2Duo, which lasted until 2008.
After that one experience I vowed never to buy AMD again, and in the years since...everything I have read about AMD confirms my belief that in spite of all their amazing marketing and improvements over the last 20 years, they are still meant to be a bargain basement build type of brand.
And you know my history with ASUS. Plus, I have read that on even the highest end boards from ASUS like the HERO XIII-- they only employ a single HDMI 1.2 port for Display purposes (though I would typically always use the DP on the GPU). And there are other feature-based reasons why I would be more inclined to give Gigabyte a second chance and go with the Z590 Aorus Master (and pair it with the newest 11900K).
The way I see it, if I am going to be building another System....So long as money is no issue, I might as well go 'balls to the wall' and go all out with the top shelf stuff, so RAM, Liq. Cooler, CPU, Motherboard and new M.2 (provided I can still use my most recent 970 as a back-up drive).
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Post by rewindbutton on May 31, 2021 13:29:47 GMT
I might as well go 'balls to the wall' It's been a week and I'm still running a fever. And now I want to listen to Accept!
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 31, 2021 17:24:18 GMT
I might as well go 'balls to the wall' It's been a week and I'm still running a fever. And now I want to listen to Accept! Not sure I understand what you mean, Rewind...But I hope you feel better soon. When I get paid this week I am going to be ordering the following parts from a combination of Amazon.ca and Canada COmputers CPU: Intel 10900KF (Unlocked no integrated graphics on die) Motherboard: Aorus Z490 Master DDR4: F4-3000C-16D-32GTZR (4x8gb GB @ 3000Mhz needing to be underclocked to 2933 to match the supported BUS of the CPU) New Liquid CPU Cooler: Corsair H115iPro Total cost after Taxes is 1887.10
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 1, 2021 7:38:50 GMT
It's been a week and I'm still running a fever. And now I want to listen to Accept! Not sure I understand what you mean, Rewind...But I hope you feel better soon. [snip] Accept is a German rock band that was famous in the 80's. Mostly in Europe though, so no wonder you couldn't make the connection. Their #1 hit was Balls to the Wall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 11:48:19 GMT
Having the latest build of Windows should be your absolute last priority. Having a STABLE build of Windows is a far better course - delay your updates, much of this could very well be 100% on Microsoft.
AMD = bargain basement = LMFAO/Not sure if serious/Homer into the bushes
As for brand recommendation, I have generally had good experience with GB mobos, have an old UD4 still going on my HTPC, and am rocking an Aorus on my main gaming rig. My old gaming rig is still rocking its 2011 Sabertooth x79, so no real complaints there. I have RMAd boards from both manufacturers.
My only hardware advice is this - if it says Fata1ity on it, run away. And only buy the best PSU.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jun 1, 2021 15:13:39 GMT
Having the latest build of Windows should be your absolute last priority. Having a STABLE build of Windows is a far better course - delay your updates, much of this could very well be 100% on Microsoft. AMD = bargain basement = LMFAO/Not sure if serious/Homer into the bushes As for brand recommendation, I have generally had good experience with GB mobos, have an old UD4 still going on my HTPC, and am rocking an Aorus on my main gaming rig. My old gaming rig is still rocking its 2011 Sabertooth x79, so no real complaints there. I have RMAd boards from both manufacturers. My only hardware advice is this - if it says Fata1ity on it, run away. And only buy the best PSU. I agree....having the latest and greatest build of Windows isn't the top priority-- but the technician I spoke with a few days ago believed that pushing the latest version to me, may help solve the problem. Unfortunately it did not. I agree that as per brand recommendation, every brand makes Amazing boards, mediocre boards and garbage ones......And if given enough time eventually they will all have problems and/or failures. SO, buying for the name of the brand....being a brand loyalist, doesn't really make sense year after year because evenutally it becomes a luck of the draw situation and maybe 6 years in a row you get amazing boards from MSI that last 5 to 10 years each with no problems......Then one year you go back to MSI because you've had such great luck with them...only to get a board that is nothing but problems. So you switch to ASUS and have good fortune again. I suppose the same could be said for CPUs, but I have always built with Intel for as long as I can remember and never had any problems that can concretely be tied to the CPU without any reasonable doubt. But the one AMD CPU I had utterly failed (and for good reason), but that has tainted my impression and experience with AMD. Though I do admit that they have improved in many ways over the past 20 years. But in every publication I have read (CPUser, Maximum PC etc) and websites like Tom's Hardware they do appear to be a cheaper, and less expensive alternative that does not always meet or beat Intel. I would submt that that is why AMD is always listed as "Budget Builds" and even their "High End" build in these publications doesn't quite match what Intel enters their "Low end" system configuration as, never mind Intel's top-tier build in publications like Maximum PC, CPUser etc. Though you could say that like ATI from years gone by when ATI was its own company, was a less expensive alternative (that offered comparable performance for a lesser cost per dollar), AMD now does the same in comparision to Intel-- especially since AMD/ATI have merged some 15 years ago. But again, we all have our brands of choice and reasons why we build with the companies/brands and products we do....and that is okay. As for your last comment RE: Power Supply....I used to use Corsair, but in 2013 I noticed they changed their model hierarchy/structure. I forget the model name of the last Corsair PSU I used, but it was a 750 watt 80+ gold equivalent....at the time one of their higher end models. Then in 2013, I noticed how they categorized their PSUs had changed as had their model names so I was confused about which was which....and which of these newer models was equivalent to the 750 I had.....Then I read on places like Tom's Hardware, Hardware Canucks, CNET and other places that Corsair's price to performance wasn't as good as it had been in the past, and that (then) there were other companies that offered better performance and quality at the same cost. And the brand on the top of that list, was EVGA, especially considering their 10 year warranties. So in 2013, I switched to using EVGA starting with their 750 Gold1......Then in 2016, I upgraded to my current PSU which is their 850 P2 80+ Platinum and it is the best I have ever used for power, quality and efficiency. If I were to ever need or buy another PSU, I would search high and lower for the 1000 Watt P2, but as far as I can tell that model is nowhere to be found. I mean no offense.....We all have our preferences and reasons for our choices, and I respect that. I can only speak from my own experience.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 1, 2021 23:08:14 GMT
I agree....having the latest and greatest build of Windows isn't the top priority-- but the technician I spoke with a few days ago believed that pushing the latest version to me, may help solve the problem. Unfortunately it did not. It is usually a technician job -if being backed by MS to push for the most recent update -its what gets them paid. Unfortunately for some it actually caused them problems -which then sends them back to the same technician -who then gets paid again.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 1, 2021 23:09:43 GMT
I agree that as per brand recommendation, every brand makes Amazing boards, mediocre boards and garbage ones......And if given enough time eventually they will all have problems and/or failures. SO, buying for the name of the brand....being a brand loyalist, doesn't really make sense year after year because evenutally it becomes a luck of the draw situation and maybe 6 years in a row you get amazing boards from MSI that last 5 to 10 years each with no problems......Then one year you go back to MSI because you've had such great luck with them...only to get a board that is nothing but problems. So you switch to ASUS and have good fortune again. Yes. This through and through. Buy based on the build quality of something not just because it looks nice. As the old phrase I heard growing up would imply in current hardware: "The lights are on but nobody's home." In modern computers that would relate to "The RGB is there but no true build quality."
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 1, 2021 23:12:19 GMT
I suppose the same could be said for CPUs, but I have always built with Intel for as long as I can remember and never had any problems that can concretely be tied to the CPU without any reasonable doubt. But the one AMD CPU I had utterly failed (and for good reason), but that has tainted my impression and experience with AMD. Though I do admit that they have improved in many ways over the past 20 years. But in every publication I have read (CPUser, Maximum PC etc) and websites like Tom's Hardware they do appear to be a cheaper, and less expensive alternative that does not always meet or beat Intel. I would submt that that is why AMD is always listed as "Budget Builds" and even their "High End" build in these publications doesn't quite match what Intel enters their "Low end" system configuration as, never mind Intel's top-tier build in publications like Maximum PC, CPUser etc. The Athalon 64x2 is a poor choice of CPU to be your end-be-all of AMD: Since the Athalon 64x2 were known to run hot at idle anyway. Nor the fact the 64x2 has no heat spreader -that came later.
I had one and used aftermarket cooling designed for higher end hardware. This kept the temperatures down. Though having to be careful with install so as to not break the CPU. Ever wonder where the turn the two screws that are diagonal opposite of the heatsink came from?
The Athalon 64x2 would be my answer as to break the CPU otherwise. And it just stuck in common consciousness.
That said I understand your position since I was burnt too. However I got screwed by Intel instead.
Basically you have been scorched and are afraid to be scorched again.
However I didn't stop using them after the first failure.
It took multiple times -at least 5 before I stopped using Intel altogether.
THAT SAID... Your information about AMD being bargain basement -IF we were talking 10 years ago would be true.
So true I would not even have a computer now since Intel would be the only one in existence. MONOPOLY! True that AMD used to be all about the budget and yes be bargan basement -that has changed -see below:
Her Ryzen line makes AMD comparable to Intel across the board: And then there is ThreadRipper and EYPC's processors... Does Intel even have a CEO who is an electrical engineer?
So speaking here in 2021 that AMD is bargan basement is heretical.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 1, 2021 23:13:53 GMT
Though you could say that like ATI from years gone by when ATI was its own company, was a less expensive alternative (that offered comparable performance for a lesser cost per dollar), AMD now does the same in comparision to Intel-- especially since AMD/ATI have merged some 15 years ago. But again, we all have our brands of choice and reasons why we build with the companies/brands and products we do....and that is okay. Correct me if I am wrong but ATI Technologies was a graphics card maker -actually had a card from them -I set it aflame. That card was I think a ATI Radeon X1300 PRO or close to it and it was near $150 when I got it. The card I replaced it with was the 6600 GT on the other hand I only shelled out about $100 for. This is straight from being bought in store not online so no third party debating on this. So the cheaper maker doesn't always sell the cheap stuff.
And AMD did buy them in 2006 and that became the AMD Radeon card line.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 1, 2021 23:14:15 GMT
As for your last comment RE: Power Supply....I used to use Corsair, but in 2013 I noticed they changed their model hierarchy/structure. I forget the model name of the last Corsair PSU I used, but it was a 750 watt 80+ gold equivalent....at the time one of their higher end models. Then in 2013, I noticed how they categorized their PSUs had changed as had their model names so I was confused about which was which....and which of these newer models was equivalent to the 750 I had.....Then I read on places like Tom's Hardware, Hardware Canucks, CNET and other places that Corsair's price to performance wasn't as good as it had been in the past, and that (then) there were other companies that offered better performance and quality at the same cost. And the brand on the top of that list, was EVGA, especially considering their 10 year warranties. So in 2013, I switched to using EVGA starting with their 750 Gold1......Then in 2016, I upgraded to my current PSU which is their 850 P2 80+ Platinum and it is the best I have ever used for power, quality and efficiency. Yes. Corsair and Antec if you didn't know are hardly the PSU masters they used to be. As far as I know EVGA is the only company in PSU's you can apply the superman or teflon label to and it hold...
Though in my opinion the way Seasonic is trending and growing they will certainly unseat EVGA from the PSU throne.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 1, 2021 23:14:57 GMT
If I were to ever need or buy another PSU, I would search high and lower for the 1000 Watt P2, but as far as I can tell that model is nowhere to be found. I assume you mean the SuperNOVA EVGA sub-brand... Don't know why you can't find it. Its right here:
Though the Seasonic comparison is insane in price versus it:
I mean no offense.....We all have our preferences and reasons for our choices, and I respect that. I can only speak from my own experience. Experience is all we have. However if we limit it to only one side we have flawed ourselves for future failure. Even more so than our pathetic human existence can be allowed for.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jun 2, 2021 0:03:18 GMT
I assume you mean the SuperNOVA EVGA sub-brand... Don't know why you can't find it. Its right here: Because he's in Canada. His choices are even more limited. Though the Seasonic comparison is insane in price versus it:
Those are scalpers listings. Don't buy from those opportunistic scums. If you're in the US, get it directly from a reputable retailer like Best Buy instead. Not those third-party sellers. That's a Titanium rated 1000w Seasonic unit for $299.99 straight from Best Buy.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 2, 2021 0:50:26 GMT
I assume you mean the SuperNOVA EVGA sub-brand... Don't know why you can't find it. Its right here: Because he's in Canada. His choices are even more limited. Though the Seasonic comparison is insane in price versus it:
Those are scalpers listings. Don't buy from those opportunistic scums. If you're in the US, get it directly from a reputable retailer like Best Buy instead. Not those third-party sellers. That's a Titanium rated 1000w Seasonic unit for $299.99 straight from Best Buy. Platinum rated actually. That said it is on amazon canada as well: Still is a scalper price: $499.99
Some people can't wait and need immediately so its there if need be.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jun 2, 2021 1:07:24 GMT
Platinum rated actually. That said it is on amazon canada as well: Still is a scalper price: $499.99
Some people can't wait and need immediately so its there if need be.
Titanium is actually higher than Platinum. So it's an even higher end model and it's in stock as well. I know it doesn't make any sense that Titanium is a higher class than Platinum, but that's how the 80 Plus ratings work. Whenever you buy something from Best Buy, Newegg, Amazon, and even Walmart, you should make sure you're not buying from a third-party seller. So when you shop on Newegg, make sure the product is shipped and sold by Newegg or at least sold by the original manufacturer and shipped by Newegg. Same thing with Amazon. Otherwise you risk getting scalped.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 2, 2021 1:50:08 GMT
Platinum rated actually. That said it is on amazon canada as well: Still is a scalper price: $499.99
Some people can't wait and need immediately so its there if need be.
Titanium is actually higher than Platinum. So it's an even higher end model and it's in stock as well. I know it doesn't make any sense that Titanium is a higher class than Platinum, but that's how the 80 Plus ratings work. Whenever you buy something from Best Buy, Newegg, Amazon, and even Walmart, you should make sure you're not buying from a third-party seller. So when you shop on Newegg, make sure the product is shipped and sold by Newegg or at least sold by the original manufacturer and shipped by Newegg. Same thing with Amazon. Otherwise you risk getting scalped. That about Titanium makes sense. It is harder than Platinum would ever be. Wasn't trying to correct that just saying the one I linked was rated Platinum and not Titanium.
This is what I prefer to do to. Though third-party sellers can be bad and full of scalpers...
Not all third-party sellers are bad. Some actually operate legitimate businesses.
A side note or would it be a trick that I have learned:
Amazon does allow you to use a bank account to place orders. Some sellers will not accept that payment method. That is a way I tell whether they are a trustworthy seller or not. If they accept bank account then I cancel the order and use the card. If they don't accept the bank account -I cancel the order and add them to the avoid list.
Of course you are at risk of getting scalped in every buy...
Life is risk and risk is life you can't avoid it forever... Though you will say you can try and you can... to a point.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jun 2, 2021 2:28:15 GMT
Of course you are at risk of getting scalped in every buy...
Life is risk and risk is life you can't avoid it forever... Though you will say you can try and you can... to a point.
Making money isn't easy and you should always avoid overpaying too much especially for expensive things like computer parts. Of course there are things that are almost never in stock like GPUs, but you should compare the listed price to the original MSRP first. Don't just buy the first thing you see on Amazon. At least shop around and compare prices. Like I just simply Googled for a couple seconds and found a superior product for nearly $150 less. It was that easy. So yeah, there's no reason not to save money. If it was only a couple dollars of difference, I might just buy it and forget it. If it was a couple hundred dollars more expensive, I would use my time to find a better deal instead.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jun 2, 2021 2:38:31 GMT
That about Titanium makes sense. It is harder than Platinum would ever be. Wasn't trying to correct that just saying the one I linked was rated Platinum and not Titanium.
Yeah, but gold is softer than bronze and silver. Yet gold is a higher rating than those. See what I mean by it doesn't make any sense? I was thinking instead of 80 Plus Titanium, they should just call it 80 Plus Diamond. Everybody understands that.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 2, 2021 10:39:08 GMT
being a brand loyalist, doesn't really make sense year after year because evenutally it becomes a luck of the draw situation and maybe 6 years in a row you get amazing boards from MSI that last 5 to 10 years each with no problems. Well I didn't say that I'm a loyalist; I'm not and that wouldn't make any sense. But I have had good experiences with MSI. The way I go about building a new rig is this: 1. decide budget + margin 2. decide CPU (is this a gaming rig of for something else, do I OC or not) 3. check what MBs MSI has to offer 4. check competition and user experiences (this is critical if you OC) Maybe not quite so simple, but you get the idea.
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