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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2021 8:17:37 GMT
They will tell you almost truths. The technical term for this is equivocation: "the use of ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing oneself; prevarication." Solas is a master of the art. An example is when talking about the relationship of the Old Gods to the elves. He says there is "nothing in lore" to connect them. This is essentially true. There is certainly nothing in human lore and there is nothing in Dalish lore either, although since their lore is based on traditions passed down about ancient elvhenan that is hardly surprising as even if they were in some way connected, they would never have been known as "Old" gods. This is why I am now inclined to believe there is a connection; we just do not know exactly what it is. It is also plain as a pike staff that he knows way more about the blight than he was willing to reveal, just from what he did say to various companions. Which is why I'm convinced that the blight does have something to do with his determination to go through with his plan to "save the world". So for anything that Solas says, look for the qualifier in the sentence. As PW states, every time Solas says he saw something "in the Fade", there is a good chance he was a first hand witness. This is why he is so annoyed when people don't believe him when he asserts something to be true, yet uses the Fade as his justification and then admits that things seen through the eyes of spirits in the Fade may be distorted by the memories of the person. Solas will think very carefully before he tells you anything and anything he tells you is exactly as much as he wants you to know. Which is where we have to ask ourselves exactly why did he tell the Inquisitor what he planned to do? There had to be a reason. Was it just to assuage his conscience? Surely not, since he must realise that telling them would destroy any peace of mind in the time they had left (according to him). Other people have suggested it is because he wants them to stop him. This seems unlikely as he would not have withheld vital information that would help them, as he admits he has. However, what we can be sure of is that when he says something directly, without any qualifier, he is telling the truth. "The return of my people means the end of yours." There is not much room for understanding that in any other way. We can argue about who qualify as "his people" among the elves but essentially the outlook for the majority of the inhabitants of Thedas is not good. "What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." He says this to Charter. I find it odd she didn't ask him "which elves do you mean?" So clearly she understands what he means by "those like you". She rejects his assertion in her own mind since she is fully aware that her human lover is not included in the statement. However, it would also seem to exclude some categories of elves. Look at the wording again. "Those like you - the elves who still remain." Reading between the lines that suggests that there will definitely be some elves who will not "still" remain. Which brings me back to my assertion about a Dalish Inquisitor. That first statement he made to them seemed to leave no room for ambiguity (unless this was an oversight on the part of the writers and they forgot he might be talking to an elf). The Dalish Inquisitor belongs to a different category of people from those Solas regards as his own. Either that means all modern elves as against the ancient ones or he specifically excludes the Dalish from his people. This is a possibility. After their rejection of his attempt to connect with a Dalish clan shortly after he awakened, he seems to have rejected them as a group. He is, after all, surprised that the Dalish could have produced such a paragon as the Inquisitor (if they win his approval) and approves if they confirm his prejudice against their people by saying they are their own person rather than a product of their culture. He is sneering and derisory generally of the Dalish. Why wouldn't he be? They worship and promote the elven gods as benign teachers and protectors instead of the cruel tyrants he knew them to be and then refuse to listen to the truth he knows "from the Fade". Still, if his plan was going to save all elves, they would still be beneficiaries even if that wasn't his intent. Unless, could it have something to do with their vallaslin? When the ancient elves rejected the rule of the Evanuris and fled to his sanctuary, the first thing he apparently did was remove their vallaslin. So the majority of his followers, unless trying to pass as a Dalish, will not have vallaslin. City elves do not have vallaslin. He has "plans" for the elven gods and may be that plan also includes any who support them. How do you distinguish them? They wear vallaslin. Now we can understand why Solas was so eager to remove the vallaslin from his love and why, even if she had them removed, her people, the Dalish, are still marked. His words when talking about city elves are certainly more sympathetic than they are towards the Dalish. His own follower Felassan seemed to have no qualms about sacrificing an entire Dalish clan, including any children, to achieve his aims, and clearly never wanted Briala to join them when he first met her. Solas even seemed to have come around to Felassan's view of Briala when he speaks of her after the events at the Winter Palace. Felassan also said to Briala: "Vallaslin do not make you an elf". May be it would have been more correct to say that in the eyes of Solas and Felassan, vallaslin prevent you being a (true/free) elf. Solas also made strenuous effort to connect with Sera, even in the face of extreme hostility on her part. Why so patient with Sera and so dismissive of the Dalish? Sera had rejected elven culture as taught by the Dalish and passed down among the city elves. So to Solas Sera was more elven than the Dalish, she just hadn't accepted that fact. She was one of "his" lost people he was trying to save. Also, even Abelas specifically seems to reject Lavellan. I never had Sera with me so I don't know how he reacted to her but when he says to Lavellan "you are not my people", they are still a "shadow wearing vallaslin". Even if they have the vallaslin of Mythal, it may not look exactly right to him. Any other vallaslin would be that of one of the other gods and thus a potential enemy. I still feel that Abelas connects with Solas specifically because he knows in some way he is an ancient elf, or does he actually recognise him as Fen'Harel but is wise enough not to give him away? I have to admit, having thought this through, this seems the only explanation for the anomaly between his words to an elven Inquisitor at the end of Trespasser and his words to Charter in Tevinter Nights if Charter is not an ancient elf. All those elves marked with vallaslin will die, those without them will live. After all, he never specifically says to Lavellan without vallaslin that "you will die" does he?
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Post by Iddy on Aug 20, 2021 14:05:19 GMT
They will tell you almost truths. The technical term for this is equivocation: "the use of ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing oneself; prevarication." Solas is a master of the art. An example is when talking about the relationship of the Old Gods to the elves. He says there is "nothing in lore" to connect them. This is essentially true. There is certainly nothing in human lore and there is nothing in Dalish lore either, although since their lore is based on traditions passed down about ancient elvhenan that is hardly surprising as even if they were in some way connected, they would never have been known as "Old" gods. This is why I am now inclined to believe there is a connection; we just do not know exactly what it is. It is also plain as a pike staff that he knows way more about the blight than he was willing to reveal, just from what he did say to various companions. Which is why I'm convinced that the blight does have something to do with his determination to go through with his plan to "save the world". So for anything that Solas says, look for the qualifier in the sentence. As PW states, every time Solas says he saw something "in the Fade", there is a good chance he was a first hand witness. This is why he is so annoyed when people don't believe him when he asserts something to be true, yet uses the Fade as his justification and then admits that things seen through the eyes of spirits in the Fade may be distorted by the memories of the person. Solas will think very carefully before he tells you anything and anything he tells you is exactly as much as he wants you to know. Which is where we have to ask ourselves exactly why did he tell the Inquisitor what he planned to do? There had to be a reason. Was it just to assuage his conscience? Surely not, since he must realise that telling them would destroy any peace of mind in the time they had left (according to him). Other people have suggested it is because he wants them to stop him. This seems unlikely as he would not have withheld vital information that would help them, as he admits he has. However, what we can be sure of is that when he says something directly, without any qualifier, he is telling the truth. "The return of my people means the end of yours." There is not much room for understanding that in any other way. We can argue about who qualify as "his people" among the elves but essentially the outlook for the majority of the inhabitants of Thedas is not good. "What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." He says this to Charter. I find it odd she didn't ask him "which elves do you mean?" So clearly she understands what he means by "those like you". She rejects his assertion in her own mind since she is fully aware that her human lover is not included in the statement. However, it would also seem to exclude some categories of elves. Look at the wording again. "Those like you - the elves who still remain." Reading between the lines that suggests that there will definitely be some elves who will not "still" remain. Which brings me back to my assertion about a Dalish Inquisitor. That first statement he made to them seemed to leave no room for ambiguity (unless this was an oversight on the part of the writers and they forgot he might be talking to an elf). The Dalish Inquisitor belongs to a different category of people from those Solas regards as his own. Either that means all modern elves as against the ancient ones or he specifically excludes the Dalish from his people. This is a possibility. After their rejection of his attempt to connect with a Dalish clan shortly after he awakened, he seems to have rejected them as a group. He is, after all, surprised that the Dalish could have produced such a paragon as the Inquisitor (if they win his approval) and approves if they confirm his prejudice against their people by saying they are their own person rather than a product of their culture. He is sneering and derisory generally of the Dalish. Why wouldn't he be? They worship and promote the elven gods as benign teachers and protectors instead of the cruel tyrants he knew them to be and then refuse to listen to the truth he knows "from the Fade". Still, if his plan was going to save all elves, they would still be beneficiaries even if that wasn't his intent. Unless, could it have something to do with their vallaslin? When the ancient elves rejected the rule of the Evanuris and fled to his sanctuary, the first thing he apparently did was remove their vallaslin. So the majority of his followers, unless trying to pass as a Dalish, will not have vallaslin. City elves do not have vallaslin. He has "plans" for the elven gods and may be that plan also includes any who support them. How do you distinguish them? They wear vallaslin. Now we can understand why Solas was so eager to remove the vallaslin from his love and why, even if she had them removed, her people, the Dalish, are still marked. His words when talking about city elves are certainly more sympathetic than they are towards the Dalish. His own follower Felassan seemed to have no qualms about sacrificing an entire Dalish clan, including any children, to achieve his aims, and clearly never wanted Briala to join them when he first met her. Solas even seemed to have come around to Felassan's view of Briala when he speaks of her after the events at the Winter Palace. Felassan also said to Briala: "Vallaslin do not make you an elf". May be it would have been more correct to say that in the eyes of Solas and Felassan, vallaslin prevent you being a (true/free) elf. Solas also made strenuous effort to connect with Sera, even in the face of extreme hostility on her part. Why so patient with Sera and so dismissive of the Dalish? Sera had rejected elven culture as taught by the Dalish and passed down among the city elves. So to Solas Sera was more elven than the Dalish, she just hadn't accepted that fact. She was one of "his" lost people he was trying to save. Also, even Abelas specifically seems to reject Lavellan. I never had Sera with me so I don't know how he reacted to her but when he says to Lavellan "you are not my people", they are still a "shadow wearing vallaslin". Even if they have the vallaslin of Mythal, it may not look exactly right to him. Any other vallaslin would be that of one of the other gods and thus a potential enemy. I still feel that Abelas connects with Solas specifically because he knows in some way he is an ancient elf, or does he actually recognise him as Fen'Harel but is wise enough not to give him away? I have to admit, having thought this through, this seems the only explanation for the anomaly between his words to an elven Inquisitor at the end of Trespasser and his words to Charter in Tevinter Nights if Charter is not an ancient elf. All those elves marked with vallaslin will die, those without them will live. After all, he never specifically says to Lavellan without vallaslin that "you will die" does he? I wouldn't read too much into the removal of vallaslin. If keeping it represented danger for Lavellan, I'm sure that Solas would be a little nervous or sad upon hearing her refusal to his offer. Or perhaps insist just a little more. So I really think his eagerness was more of a moral objection than anything else. What you say about marking them as enemies does make sense, but it shouldn't be too hard to remember just one exception to the rule. As for city elves... I never realized that. I seems that to Solas, it is better to know nothing and be aware of that fact (as city elves generally are) than to hold incorrect beliefs. And of course that is completely logical and even obvious, but he could've been indifferent to that distinction since everyone is below the ancient elves in his eyes. Lastly, I'd say that his line "The return of my people means the end of yours." answers the question of which elves will be saved too. If modern elves were included in his plans, that line would've been phrased differently when said to an elven Inquisitor.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 20, 2021 15:00:04 GMT
You know the irony of all this is I give it fifty fifty odds that somehow Solas ripping down the veil will either become neccesary due to some threat or will turn out to be something that is actually a good thing for everyone or not nearly as bad as we think it will be. I meant a fifty fifty chance that it will be one of those things. Because lets be honest they are gonna have a really really hard time topping this threat if they fight it off and you know they aren't gonna stop with DA4.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2021 15:48:51 GMT
Lastly, I'd say that his line "The return of my people means the end of yours." answers the question of which elves will be saved too. If modern elves were included in his plans, that line would've been phrased differently when said to an elven Inquisitor. That's what I've always argued in the past but then you have that odd phrase to Charter in Tevinter Nights. "What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." This means that either Charter is an ancient elf or there must be some other factor coming into play when he stated who will survive. If Charter is simply a resourceful city elf, then it would seem that "those like you" means city elves. Ergo, the reference to "your people" who will not survive when he is speaking to Lavellan must mean the Dalish rather than all modern elves. I know Solas can be ambiguous when he wants to be but those statements don't really leave much room for alternative explanations and one contradicts the other if they are meant to refer to all modern elves.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2021 15:58:58 GMT
You know the irony of all this is I give it fifty fifty odds that somehow Solas ripping down the veil will either become neccesary due to some threat or will turn out to be something that is actually a good thing for everyone or not nearly as bad as we think it will be. This is why I keep insisting that perhaps removing the Veil is necessary to cleanse the world of the blight. That's why he insists to Charter that what he was going to do would save the world, which also seemed to contradict his words to the Inquisitor. I still maintain, though, if that was the case then why not say so? I'll actually be really irritated if I am right about this because it does put a whole different slant on his actions. Also, that would mean instead of focusing on stopping him, we could focus on finding alternatives to achieve the same outcome, so he no longer has to drop the Veil but if he chooses to ignore your advice, then you can kill him.
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Post by theascendent on Aug 20, 2021 16:51:09 GMT
Considering the rate that Red Lyrium is spreading and there is no cure, and we know how in depth the infection can go, from infecting any and all organic life, to the lack of safe disposal methods Thedas could be condemned to a slow gradual death, instead of a big climatic battle against the Darkspawn the Blight kills Thedas in a far more subtle and insidious way. I imagine that this might be the extinction event that Solas is using to gather recruits. He might have a solution to permanently destroy/contain the Blight, or at least a feasible plan to fool/convince them.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 20, 2021 20:04:23 GMT
Considering the rate that Red Lyrium is spreading and there is no cure, and we know how in depth the infection can go, from infecting any and all organic life, to the lack of safe disposal methods Thedas could be condemned to a slow gradual death, instead of a big climatic battle against the Darkspawn the Blight kills Thedas in a far more subtle and insidious way. I imagine that this might be the extinction event that Solas is using to gather recruits. He might have a solution to permanently destroy/contain the Blight, or at least a feasible plan to fool/convince them. Wow! I didn't even think of this. Of course the question remains why wouldn't he just say so to the inquisitor? Probably because they wanted to make it dramatic.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 21, 2021 2:08:39 GMT
I wouldn't exactly trust Solas on his predictions. He's typically wrong and things hardly ever go as planned. He raised the veil to save his people, but instead, he completely destroyed them. He allowed Corypheus to unlock his orb because he thought he'd die in the process - wrong about that as well. So when he says that the world may be better for the elves, or that "this world" has to and will die, I don't believe he knows what he's talking about. We really can't say for certain what the effects of his ritual will be. But I am convinced that Solas is wrong in what he says about it. Hell, his ritual may actually make things worse.
While I don't believe him, he definitely has his reasons for saying what he's saying. What Solas may be referring to about certain elves surviving is their connection to The Fade coupled with their willpower and connection to their spirit. Perhaps like how Dwarves are incomplete without The Titans, The Elves are incomplete without The Fade. Their empire and livelihood crumbled after being cut off from it, after all, and Cory has even stated that the elves are connected to The Fade.
And if one's will is strong enough, and they have elven blood, they may be able to survive the chaos and confusion. I don't think it was a coincidence that The Titan chose to connect with Valta - her mind was fit to take in such information and knowledge because she was absolutely ready for it. Renn wouldn't have known what to do and would arguably go crazy. It may be a similar situation here with how Solas says that certain elves will remain. Perhaps he believes Charter is strong enough to withstand such a process.
There does seem to be an emphasis on the world being reborn, possibly through fire. I'm always reminded of that last obstacle in The Temple of Sacred Ashes where you have to walk through the fire. The inscription on the tablet read: "Cast off the trappings of worldly life and cloak yourself in the goodness of spirit. King and slave, lord and beggar, be born anew in the maker's light." You then had to walk through the fire, but you are completely unharmed if you do it correctly and honorably. Maybe this relates to how people will survive, and not just elves? Maybe all you need is to be true to yourself and be grounded in order to survive and not necessarily need elven blood, really in the same way any mage has to navigate The Fade.
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Post by biggydx on Aug 21, 2021 16:23:26 GMT
Patrick Weekes say in an interview: We played it so close with both Blackwall and Solas - both characters are the liars who don’t actually lie. They will tell you almost truths. With Solas it’s the same way with the hand wave of ‘in the Fade’. I would start putting ‘in the Fade’ at the end of a lot of sentences. “Yeah turns out that all of the stuff you thought was true in history was wrong… because I saw it…. in the Fade.” this character who is intelligent, wise… Solas will think very carefully before he tells you anything and anything he tells you is exactly as much as he wants you to know. So this is his character. If he don't actually lie. All we hear from him is in the right light true. So we have to interpret his words. Rebuild slavery. (No). Sacrificing people. (yes). Want revenge. (yes) his exact plan? (we don't know, but he told us) I think there is more, but i doesn't see it. If I'm not mistaken, if you become antagonistic towards Solas (even punching him), if you continue to be hostile towards him he just flat out tells you his plan; though he couches it as a hypothetical.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 21, 2021 17:49:02 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, if you become antagonistic towards Solas (even punching him), if you continue to be hostile towards him he just flat out tells you his plan; though he couches it as a hypothetical. No, the main different between a hostile and a friendly Inquisitor is that he doesn't do all the excuses for his actions in the past and in the future. Instead it goes as follows after the Inquisitor says they don't want one of his endless monologues: "Well, then, briefly; I am the Dread Wolf. I fought the false elven gods, created the Veil and destroyed my people. I intend to restore them. Doing so will most likely destroy your world. Also, your mark is getting worse. Ultimately, none but I could have borne the mark and lived. Your death would cause more senseless chaos, more bloodshed. It is unnecessary." (Removes the mark). "Though I doubt you will thank me. Live well, while time remains." (Stalks off) Whilst the "most likely" leaves room for him to be wrong about total destruction, his final words suggest he doesn't really think that will be the case. At the very least, it will probably not be possible to "live well" after he enacts his plan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 16:17:26 GMT
I don't know, but you helped me decide my next Inqy.
A Dalish Male Mage. I am going to antagonize the shit out of Baldy, at every single opportunity.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 18:24:59 GMT
A Dalish Male Mage. I am going to antagonize the shit out of Baldy, at every single opportunity. From what I've seen on You tube, this should result in some very different conversations from those you may have already experienced. I may eventually do the same myself, simply to experience the full range of Solas conversations. Actually, when he doesn't like you he is much less guarded about showing his true nature. It is really quite revealing at times from what I've seen and there may be more because on You Tube you are relying on other people's dialogue choices.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 23, 2021 3:40:46 GMT
The truth of the matter is that it's hard to say whether everyone would be killed by Solas's plan. Or even whether or not it would work: The elven empire did not collapse overnight, and there's no reason to believe a restoration would happen any quicker.
I'm more reminded of what Morrigan said about Corypheus's plan. It's more likely the plan would never work and it would just end up destroying the world in a mass of chaotic energy. Solas is also much weaker than he was, and has few allies to call upon, and of them, none can truly wield magic like he can.
Personally, I hope we get the opportunity to put him down once and for all. Treat him as nothing more than a footnote in the wild history of Thedas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2021 9:06:23 GMT
The truth of the matter is that it's hard to say whether everyone would be killed by Solas's plan. Or even whether or not it would work: The elven empire did not collapse overnight, and there's no reason to believe a restoration would happen any quicker. Solas plan, much like his one back then, is very short sighted. It would be obvious that the removing mage god overlords in one fell swoop would lead to absolute chaos, escalating the civil war rather than ending it, even if it hadn't had the additional impact of stripping the majority of elves of their magic and immortality. In fact, what seems to have happened once the pro-Evanuris factions realised how the loss of their gods had impacted them, they variously associated their loss of immortality with a punishment of the gods and/or pollution by undue contact with humans, deciding the only way to survive until the return of the gods was to go into uthenera. They only awakened, as the Sentinels in the Temple of Mythal did, if they detected intruders on their sanctuary. So, as Solas admits, the majority of the destruction of the structures of elven civilisation was caused by the Veil itself. When the elves went into retreat, the damage had already been done and that was the corpse that Abelas refers to that the Neromenians built their empire upon. What I want to know is what happened to Solas' followers at the time. Did they try and build something from the ruins themselves, did they assimilate into human culture, their elven identity disappearing from their mixed race children, or did they immediately go into uthenera as well? The latter would make sense if they knew their leader was out of circulation and wanted to await his return, when he had promised to put things right again. I wonder, though, how their enemies were made aware of the same idea. In Dalish lore, they believe that the gods will return when they "remember what it is to be true elves". They mistakenly took this to mean that only when they have succeeded in recovering their culture fully will the gods reward them by returning. However, that now sounds like this was originally a statement of fact because when Solas destroys the Veil, they will remember what it is to be true elves and their gods will return.
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Post by Muninn on Aug 23, 2021 10:48:18 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, if you become antagonistic towards Solas (even punching him), if you continue to be hostile towards him he just flat out tells you his plan; though he couches it as a hypothetical. No, the main different between a hostile and a friendly Inquisitor is that he doesn't do all the excuses for his actions in the past and in the future. Instead it goes as follows after the Inquisitor says they don't want one of his endless monologues: "Well, then, briefly; I am the Dread Wolf. I fought the false elven gods, created the Veil and destroyed my people. I intend to restore them. Doing so will most likely destroy your world. Also, your mark is getting worse. Ultimately, none but I could have borne the mark and lived. Your death would cause more senseless chaos, more bloodshed. It is unnecessary." (Removes the mark). "Though I doubt you will thank me. Live well, while time remains." (Stalks off) Whilst the "most likely" leaves room for him to be wrong about total destruction, his final words suggest he doesn't really think that will be the case. At the very least, it will probably not be possible to "live well" after he enacts his plan. I think biggydx meant this dialogue in the base game: "Not unless we collapse the Veil and bring the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2021 12:12:56 GMT
"Not unless we collapse the Veil and bring the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no." This is one of those wonderful ironic conversations that you only get if you are hostile towards Solas and specifically accuse him of abandoning the elves and not doing enough to help them. You can only imagine what was running through his mind when he said that. Honestly, you miss so much if you are nice to him and it is so much fun going back and spotting all the instances, usually with a hostile Inquisitor, that are so obviously him being less guarded about what is actually on his mind. If you want an insight into his true character, just poke Fen'Harel with a metaphoric stick.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 23, 2021 16:15:06 GMT
It's not really clear what Solas's plan is, how he plans to achieve it, or what specifically he thinks will happen, so it's impossible to know how it will affect anybody, and I've always assumed he himself doesn't really know either. He didn't anticipate the consequences when he fucked with the fabric of reality the first time, so how does he know doing it again will get him what he wants?
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Finished Dissertation long ago lol. Now happily employed :D
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Post by biggydx on Aug 23, 2021 16:32:24 GMT
No, the main different between a hostile and a friendly Inquisitor is that he doesn't do all the excuses for his actions in the past and in the future. Instead it goes as follows after the Inquisitor says they don't want one of his endless monologues: "Well, then, briefly; I am the Dread Wolf. I fought the false elven gods, created the Veil and destroyed my people. I intend to restore them. Doing so will most likely destroy your world. Also, your mark is getting worse. Ultimately, none but I could have borne the mark and lived. Your death would cause more senseless chaos, more bloodshed. It is unnecessary." (Removes the mark). "Though I doubt you will thank me. Live well, while time remains." (Stalks off) Whilst the "most likely" leaves room for him to be wrong about total destruction, his final words suggest he doesn't really think that will be the case. At the very least, it will probably not be possible to "live well" after he enacts his plan. I think biggydx meant this dialogue in the base game: "Not unless we collapse the Veil and bring the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no." Yup
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 23, 2021 20:11:44 GMT
It's not really clear what Solas's plan is, how he plans to achieve it, or what specifically he thinks will happen, so it's impossible to know how it will affect anybody, and I've always assumed he himself doesn't really know either. He didn't anticipate the consequences when he fucked with the fabric of reality the first time, so how does he know doing it again will get him what he wants? That really puts the sheer magnitude of what he did in perspective.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 23, 2021 20:28:02 GMT
Elves Fu*k everything up. Then to fix their previous Fu*k ups they Fu*k up some more.
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Now stealin' more kidz.
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buckeldemon
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 23, 2021 20:43:49 GMT
Elves Fu*k everything up. Then to fix their previous Fu*k ups they Fu*k up some more. Since elven fuckups enabled humans, they should all be grateful.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 23, 2021 21:47:05 GMT
Elves Fu*k everything up. Then to fix their previous Fu*k ups they Fu*k up some more. Since elven fuckups enabled humans, they should all be grateful. Okay knife ear, i mean okay boomer
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2021 21:51:31 GMT
Elves Fu*k everything up. Then to fix their previous Fu*k ups they Fu*k up some more. Since elven fuckups enabled humans, they should all be grateful. To be specific, it enabled humans in Thedas. Humanity as a whole is most likely doing well regardless, considering they were at the point of exploring other continents.
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Now stealin' more kidz.
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buckeldemon
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 23, 2021 23:02:29 GMT
Since elven fuckups enabled humans, they should all be grateful. To be specific, it enabled humans in Thedas. Humanity as a whole is most likely doing well regardless, considering they were at the point of exploring other continents. To be honest, I cannot keep up, with Keep timelines being pushed back and forth and stuff like that. Imma leave that whole discussion up to next game.
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Post by yarus on Aug 25, 2021 3:17:50 GMT
Elves Fu*k everything up. Then to fix their previous Fu*k ups they Fu*k up some more. Fucking based. One of the things I love about the Dragon Age series is the extent to which you can humiliate the Dalish at every turn. Stupid elves
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