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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 12, 2021 19:11:57 GMT
Playing as a Sith is so much fun, you guys are really missing out haha! I am probably about evenly split across all my PTs. My friend played a million times but always dark side. Kind of made me worry lol.
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 12, 2021 19:20:05 GMT
Out of curiosity, when did people last play the original? I had a try when it went backward-compatible on Xbox but my brain seized up after about 5 minutes. (I don't doubt the excellence of the original, I just think it has aged badly) My condolences on playing on console. Even with mods it's age shows but it's still playable for me unlike Jade Empire. This morning i fought Bandon and called it a day.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 12, 2021 19:27:48 GMT
My condolences on playing on console. Thank you, I love my Xbox but I do appreciate that the platform cannot help me in the way that PC can when shortcomings may be mitigated. For that reason, games I logically should enjoy (KOTOR, Jade Empire, Morrowind...) are simply past enjoyment for me.
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Post by Elhanan's Ghost on Sept 12, 2021 20:32:34 GMT
Only have a passing interest in Star Wars in general, but I seem to recall that due to SWTOR, Revan is now canonically male, but the Exile is female. Is that right?
If not, then good. But if so - and if they're bound to the canon - then I guess Revan will be a male only PC. Since they wore the mask, hopefully there would still be character creation, though.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 12, 2021 20:51:29 GMT
Only have a passing interest in Star Wars in general, but I seem to recall that due to SWTOR, Revan is now canonically male, but the Exile is female. Is that right? If not, then good. But if so - and if they're bound to the canon - then I guess Revan will be a male only PC. Since they wore the mask, hopefully there would still be character creation, though. I honestly doubt they'll go in that direction, not to mention that SWTOR is not, as far as I'm aware, part of the Disney canon. I mean, if the start going for canonizing stuff, they shouldn't even allow us to pick between the Light and Dark Side and just stick with the Jedi path. Regardless if the remake will be part of the Disney canon or Legends, they shouldn't restrict the ability to RP because of that.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 12, 2021 21:10:51 GMT
Only have a passing interest in Star Wars in general, but I seem to recall that due to SWTOR, Revan is now canonically male, but the Exile is female. Is that right? If not, then good. But if so - and if they're bound to the canon - then I guess Revan will be a male only PC. Since they wore the mask, hopefully there would still be character creation, though. The male Revan (with light side ending) was made canon in 2005 in a " The New Essential Chronology". BioWare didn't open their studio to work on SWTOR until end of 2006... But that's not part of Disney's canon. That's Legend stuff. Although, the name Revan exist in Disney's canon now, but I don't think a gender was attributed.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 12, 2021 21:21:31 GMT
Also never could bring myself to be a Sith. Likewise. I'll here for it. Curious about how the gameplay is gonna look, and if they will restore some of the cut content. Guess we'll see. As it's a remake not a remaster all options are open. I've seen some requests for a line-by-line duplicate other than in graphic quality - I suspect there is zero likelihood for that close a copy (nor should there be in my view).
A remake should include things that the original team wanted to do but couldn't do to technology, time restraints, and so on I would love to the romance with Junahi restored and I would make it a same sex only relationship since she was in the closet both literally and metaphorically on the spaceship. I would love to have more to do with HK-41 if you play as a Jedi, I know a lot of people love that droid but I always felt if you play as Jedi other than the quest with the sand people he's not all that interesting or useful if you play as a Jedi. Or lose some people Mission, the Wookie, and Canderous drop those three they don't do anything other than stand around on the ship.
As far as too which canon is it and all that stuff, it takes place 4000 years before the events of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, so it's place in the official Star Wars Universe can and should be up for debate in the Star Wars Universe because the records from that time are or would be incomplete, lost, missing, and etc. All that is known there was a Jedi Civil War and that a powerful force user named Reven ended it. Some say Reven was a man other say Reven was woman, some Reven was a Jedi other say a Sith and some say it it really happened others say it was a legend, fairy tale, or myth.
I mean it's more realistic since we don't know a lot of about the histories of ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, and China for examples so why should the Jedi or the Sith, the Republic, or the Empire know all their ancient history? This would also allow the writers more freedom to go in new directions which is something Star Wars desperately needs to do, and this game should not be restrained by the rules and continuity and if that pisses off people who obsess over this stuff so much the better I say.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 12, 2021 22:20:15 GMT
I'm sure Aspyr will deliver an enjoyable remake that is respectful to the original and Star Wars itself.
They appear to have some capable people on the case.
(as has been said often, we'll need to wait to see)
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Post by chris2365 on Sept 12, 2021 22:32:06 GMT
On another topic, what is everybody's thoughts about having the main character be voiced? I know the original had a mute protagonist, which had the benefit of being able to choose exactly what you wanted to reply.
However, after playing through Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I feel there is definitely an argument that a voiced protagonist adds cinematic feel and emotional impact. I would probably be fine with either option, though with a preference for a voiced protagonist. I personally liked the Revan voice actor in SWTOR, he seemed to match the idea I had of how Revan would sound.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 12, 2021 23:45:04 GMT
On another topic, what is everybody's thoughts about having the main character be voiced? A terrific question. I think a voiced protagonist is likely if not inevitable. I struggle to cope with unvoiced games any more and I'm sure most gamers would see unvoiced as an archaic mistake. Isn't the main character a male/female choice?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 13, 2021 0:24:13 GMT
On another topic, what is everybody's thoughts about having the main character be voiced? A terrific question. I think a voiced protagonist is likely if not inevitable. I struggle to cope with unvoiced games any more and I'm sure most gamers would see unvoiced as an archaic mistake. Isn't the main character a male/female choice? Voiced is almost certain, I would say. And I'm not too bothered either way. If it isn't, fine - Baldurs Gate 3 doesn't appear to have suffered low EA sales or poor player reviews because of it. And if it is, well I'm sure it will be tolerable at worst. In the original, yes, male or female. My own curiosity is regarding the 'type' of game this will end up being. With one hand progress gives, and with the other it takes away. Since KOTOR released, game worlds have become vastly bigger, more detailed and alive. NPC behaviour has become more life like and believable. Visually, there will be no comparison. I imagine the animation (all of it, but specifically combat) will be far superior. But as those parts of games have unquestionably improved - as a whole, there have been a few missteps - things that were important in the original KOTOR (and good) have fallen - in some cases dramatically - away. Specifically, I'm talking about companion AI. This was good in DAO (and better in DA2 - in my opinion). In DAI it was...poor. Moving away from Bioware, companion AI was very good in PoE (but that was a throwback of a game in more ways than one). When you had companions in TW3, they alternated between utterly useless to the point of being in the way, and completely drawing all the aggro away so Geralt could slash and Igni to his hearts content. So what I'm curious about is; assuming many or all of the companions from the original game return in this remake, will you take them with you on missions? If so, will you choose who to take, or will the game decide for you (RDR2 does this). And most importantly, if you do take companions, will they help or harm the experience in terms of combat?
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Post by azarhal on Sept 13, 2021 0:56:58 GMT
So what I'm curious about is; assuming many or all of the companions from the original game return in this remake, will you take them with you on missions? One of my KoTOR playthrough was a solo one (unless a companion was forced)...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 13, 2021 1:00:34 GMT
So what I'm curious about is; assuming many or all of the companions from the original game return in this remake, will you take them with you on missions? One of my KoTOR playthrough was a solo one (unless a companion was forced)...
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Post by chris2365 on Sept 13, 2021 1:00:39 GMT
A terrific question. I think a voiced protagonist is likely if not inevitable. I struggle to cope with unvoiced games any more and I'm sure most gamers would see unvoiced as an archaic mistake. Isn't the main character a male/female choice? So what I'm curious about is; assuming many or all of the companions from the original game return in this remake, will you take them with you on missions? If so, will you choose who to take, or will the game decide for you (RDR2 does this). And most importantly, if you do take companions, will they help or harm the experience in terms of combat? Companion AI will surely be an important element to look at. The system for controlling companions in the original KOTOR was a bit barebones. Another element regarding companions I hope they consider is banter. There are a few instances of it in the original, but I hope they increase the amount that companions talk to each other and comment on your actions and decisions.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 13, 2021 1:09:40 GMT
So what I'm curious about is; assuming many or all of the companions from the original game return in this remake, will you take them with you on missions? If so, will you choose who to take, or will the game decide for you (RDR2 does this). And most importantly, if you do take companions, will they help or harm the experience in terms of combat? Companion AI will surely be an important element to look at. The system for controlling companions in the original KOTOR was a bit barebones. Another element regarding companions I hope they consider is banter. There are a few instances of it in the original, but I hope they increase the amount that companions talk to each other and comment on your actions and decisions. Agreed on the banter. Just to clarify, because it maybe wasn't clear, I was talking about AI - meaning, how the companions perform if you leave them entirely to their own devices. Not using a 'tactics' screen and certainly not controlling them directly.
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Post by Elhanan's Ghost on Sept 13, 2021 5:54:31 GMT
Only have a passing interest in Star Wars in general, but I seem to recall that due to SWTOR, Revan is now canonically male, but the Exile is female. Is that right? If not, then good. But if so - and if they're bound to the canon - then I guess Revan will be a male only PC. Since they wore the mask, hopefully there would still be character creation, though. I honestly doubt they'll go in that direction, not to mention that SWTOR is not, as far as I'm aware, part of the Disney canon. I mean, if the start going for canonizing stuff, they shouldn't even allow us to pick between the Light and Dark Side and just stick with the Jedi path. Regardless if the remake will be part of the Disney canon or Legends, they shouldn't restrict the ability to RP because of that.
'Shouldn't' doesn't necessarily mean 'won't'. But thank you both for the clarification.
Only have a passing interest in Star Wars in general, but I seem to recall that due to SWTOR, Revan is now canonically male, but the Exile is female. Is that right? If not, then good. But if so - and if they're bound to the canon - then I guess Revan will be a male only PC. Since they wore the mask, hopefully there would still be character creation, though. The male Revan (with light side ending) was made canon in 2005 in a " The New Essential Chronology". BioWare didn't open their studio to work on SWTOR until end of 2006... But that's not part of Disney's canon. That's Legend stuff. Although, the name Revan exist in Disney's canon now, but I don't think a gender was attributed.
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Post by biotic on Sept 13, 2021 6:20:00 GMT
What I'm hoping for in this remake is that Disney doesn't forbid players making dark side choices and using dark side powers.
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Post by officerdonnz on Sept 13, 2021 7:58:57 GMT
I last played KOTOR 1 a year ago, and just replayed KOTOR 2. I still find the games are plenty fun after many playthroughs. However, I did first play KOTOR when I was 7-8 years old, so maybe my standards of what is playable are a bit biased haha. I was in my 20s when KOTOR 1 came out, so it's definitely not childhood nostalgia for me. I was 29 when KotOR came out and I still enjoy it though I haven't played it in ages. Might be time I did.
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Post by aglomeracja on Sept 13, 2021 8:27:31 GMT
Out of curiosity, when did people last play the original? I had a try when it went backward-compatible on Xbox but my brain seized up after about 5 minutes. (I don't doubt the excellence of the original, I just think it has aged badly) I last played KOTOR 1 a year ago, and just replayed KOTOR 2. I still find the games are plenty fun after many playthroughs. However, I did first play KOTOR when I was 7-8 years old, so maybe my standards of what is playable are a bit biased haha. I played both KOTOR's for the first time a couple of years ago, while still in my 20's. It took some adjusting at first, but I was completely hooked after an hour or so. KOTOR 2 with restored content has the best Star Wars story I've seen to date.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 13, 2021 11:32:08 GMT
Oh, a "remaster" for a change. How thrilling.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 13, 2021 11:57:26 GMT
I just read that the combat designer (Matt Berner) worked on Borderland 3, Kingdom Of Amalur and Dragon Age Inquisition combat (neither as the lead, just gameplay designer). I think we can be safe to think the game combat will still fall into RPG, just more action than KoTOR was. At this point, I suspect 70% of the dev team worked at BioWare too (the lead Producer is an ex DA Inquisition manager/producer to, the lead writer is ex-BioWare too). Most probably from the Austin (SWTOR) studio since Aspyr is in Texas. Actually, that might explain why Aspyr got all those Star Wars ports job the last few years. What I'm hoping for in this remake is that Disney doesn't forbid players making dark side choices and using dark side powers. Why would they do that? Especially for a character who was dark side before the events of the game. Actually, Revan struggling with the dark side should have been more present in the game. Dark/Light side isn't a switch you flip. I'll be a lot more concerned by Disney awful habit of changing name of planets just for the sake of being different from the old Star Wars Canon. At least, Taris and the events there are already Disney canon. As is Rataka. Also, Kashyyyk and Tatooine haven't changed, much. Korriban thought, that's another story...
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Post by biotic on Sept 13, 2021 13:21:42 GMT
What I'm hoping for in this remake is that Disney doesn't forbid players making dark side choices and using dark side powers. Why would they do that? Especially for a character who was dark side before the events of the game. Actually, Revan struggling with the dark side should have been more present in the game. Dark/Light side isn't a switch you flip. I'll be a lot more concerned by Disney awful habit of changing name of planets just for the sake of being different from the old Star Wars Canon. At least, Taris and the events there are already Disney canon. As is Rataka. Also, Kashyyyk and Tatooine haven't changed, much. Korriban thought, that's another story... I just wouldn't put it past Disney to make sure every SW media is family friendly. Not that KOTOR is an adult affair but I would not be surprised if the player is restricted to the light side with a light side ending. If the only change is a rename to Morribnad, then that's not too bad.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 13, 2021 13:33:49 GMT
It's not going to end well, I think, if they're going to cut the Dark Side path. Same as for the gender choice for Revan, I don't think that either are going to be cut.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 13, 2021 14:04:56 GMT
Why would they do that? Especially for a character who was dark side before the events of the game. Actually, Revan struggling with the dark side should have been more present in the game. Dark/Light side isn't a switch you flip. I'll be a lot more concerned by Disney awful habit of changing name of planets just for the sake of being different from the old Star Wars Canon. At least, Taris and the events there are already Disney canon. As is Rataka. Also, Kashyyyk and Tatooine haven't changed, much. Korriban thought, that's another story... I just wouldn't put it past Disney to make sure every SW media is family friendly. Not that KOTOR is an adult affair but I would not be surprised if the player is restricted to the light side with a light side ending. SWTOR has only gotten darker since Disney took over Star Wars. Including on screen dual decapitation in the Onslaught expansion with heads rolling on the floor (that released end of 2019). People are still wondering how that was allowed I might add. It's the best scene of the expansion (Imperial dark side choice only). I personally think pre-Disney LucasArts/Films were pushing a lot more for the "family friendly" aspect. Including being against same-sex romances as BioWare has only been able to add those in after Disney took over.
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Post by saandrig on Sept 13, 2021 14:22:48 GMT
Out of curiosity, when did people last play the original? I had a try when it went backward-compatible on Xbox but my brain seized up after about 5 minutes. (I don't doubt the excellence of the original, I just think it has aged badly) Three or four months ago.
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