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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 14, 2021 1:49:35 GMT
Oh, a "remaster" for a change. How thrilling. Re make, not remaster. As in, entirely different game built from the ground up, set in the same events and featuring - I'd guess - the same, or many of the same characters and stories.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 14, 2021 1:53:27 GMT
Out of curiosity, when did people last play the original? I had a try when it went backward-compatible on Xbox but my brain seized up after about 5 minutes. (I don't doubt the excellence of the original, I just think it has aged badly) Shortly after I finished my final DA2 PT back in 2012, I'd say. Not actually sure if I finished it. I played KOTOR2 much more recently, maybe 3 years ago - the Restored Content Mod is superb. I did actually buy KOTOR on GoG a couple of years back (my old version was on CD and scratched to hell) in anticipation of the Apeiron mod/remaster, but that got canned so never actually even installed it.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 14, 2021 4:00:21 GMT
Out of curiosity, when did people last play the original? I had a try when it went backward-compatible on Xbox but my brain seized up after about 5 minutes. (I don't doubt the excellence of the original, I just think it has aged badly) I’ve been playing it on and off for the last couple of months on my iPad. Having a fun time with it, too, but never play it for very long at a time. So it’s been 6 or 7 month and I am just about to get off Taris.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 14, 2021 8:08:17 GMT
Oh, a "remaster" for a change. How thrilling. Re make, not remaster. As in, entirely different game built from the ground up, set in the same events and featuring - I'd guess - the same, or many of the same characters and stories. Remake, right. All those redone things - it's kinda hard to distinguish when you get offeres the same thing over and over.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 14, 2021 9:08:16 GMT
get offeres the same thing over and over. I'm not convinced a remake of an 18-year old game counts as 'over and over' but ok...
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 14, 2021 9:14:42 GMT
get offeres the same thing over and over. I'm not convinced a remake of an 18-year old game counts as 'over and over' but ok... Look around you. There is an abundance of redone games, movies, TV Shows. I'd say streaming inflated the needs for shows and movie contents, but games? I think it's risk aversion - they pull up the old stuff that sold and sell again for more likely return.
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Post by Mresa on Sept 14, 2021 11:38:40 GMT
This is one game I've been hoping to get the remake. I really hope they expand on the environments, make places bigger with more people, more quests, make some of the areas more open. The game was in the end fairly linear when it came to exploration so would love them to just add more to it. I first played it back in either -04 or -05. Been a while since I've played it but I do remember it hasn't really aged that well, the combat is a bit clunky. I do wonder how they're going to upgrade it. Not sure about adding a voice to the player character, can't say I would be totally opposed. It's always a bit clunky when everyone else is expressing them so clearly and the PC just stands there with no emotion. I do hope for a more, a lot more expansive CC tho. Since you're gonna look at the characters face a lot, would be good to invest on it proper.
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 14, 2021 11:51:44 GMT
Pazaak is arguably the simplest fictional card game i've played, but it's also one of the most annoying ones because the computer was a cheating bastard.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 14, 2021 13:55:49 GMT
Look around you. There is an abundance of redone games, movies, TV Shows. This is hardly a new thing. Movies stared being 'remade' in the 1890's. There's likely a slight bounce with the next-generation of consoles, but these things are hardly difficult to keep track of and naturally you don't have to buy them. Most purchasers of new-KOTOR will not have played the original.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 14, 2021 14:36:03 GMT
Look around you. There is an abundance of redone games, movies, TV Shows. This is hardly a new thing. Movies stared being 'remade' in the 1890's. There's likely a slight bounce with the next-generation of consoles, but these things are hardly difficult to keep track of and naturally you don't have to buy them. Most purchasers of new-KOTOR will not have played the original. There barely was any movie industry 1890. Moving pictures just started off then. And yes, every tale has been told before at some point. It's more that we get the exact same served with just minor changes maybe. Between 1890 and 1990 we enjoyed a century of prosperous narration and inventive story-telling. The narrative business is in regression right now.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 14, 2021 16:11:22 GMT
Re make, not remaster. As in, entirely different game built from the ground up, set in the same events and featuring - I'd guess - the same, or many of the same characters and stories. Remake, right. All those redone things - it's kinda hard to distinguish when you get offeres the same thing over and over. A remaster would have been better. I mean, to use movies as a comparison, there's plenty of classics out there that I and others would happily buy when a new media platform becomes popular. Movies like The Maltese Falcon, The Great Escape, Star Wars, And so on. Same movie, maybe touched up a bit, but now available on the current technology. A remake? Yeah, that rarely works out so well. Ghostbusters? Total Recall? Robocop? The Mummy? Around the World in 80 Days? Sure OCCASSIONALLY a remake may match the original. But more often it's simply an attempt to cash in on the name recognition of the original. I'm HIGHLY skeptical this will do the original justice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 14, 2021 16:20:07 GMT
The Mummy? Sure OCCASSIONALLY a remake may match the original. But more often it's simply an attempt to cash in on the name recognition of the original. Which Mummy? The Brendan Fraser one or the Tom Cruise one? I do agree with the general sentiment. I love how simply someone put if it is a good remake or not. Basically two criteria. 1. Matches the quality of the original. 2. Brings something new to the table.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 14, 2021 16:22:45 GMT
A remake? Yeah, that rarely works out so well. The Mummy? Around the World in 80 Days? There was 3 remakes of the Mummy (the original was in 1932), only the most recent one (2017) was a flop. The other 2 remakes spawned series with 4+ movies each as did the original. Around the World in 80 Days is a Jules Verne novel that has numerous movies, theatre, television and even video game adaptations.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 14, 2021 16:32:38 GMT
A remake? Yeah, that rarely works out so well. The Mummy? Around the World in 80 Days? There was 3 remakes of the Mummy (the original was in 1932), only the most recent one (2017) was a flop. The other 2 remakes spawned series with 4+ movies each as did the original. Around the World in 80 Days is a Jules Verne novel that has numerous movies, theatre, television and even video game adaptations. To be honest I had completely forgotten about the Brendan Fraser movie. But I would argue it is so tonally different (an action-comedy as opposed to horror) that it would qualify as its own thing. I am aware of the novel. But since I said I was using film as an example here I was referring to the "original" David Niven film from the 50s and comparing it to the Jackie Chan remake in 2004 which...yeah... I am not away of any other movie versions of it.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 14, 2021 17:41:25 GMT
There was 3 remakes of the Mummy (the original was in 1932), only the most recent one (2017) was a flop. The other 2 remakes spawned series with 4+ movies each as did the original. Around the World in 80 Days is a Jules Verne novel that has numerous movies, theatre, television and even video game adaptations. To be honest I had completely forgotten about the Brendan Fraser movie. But I would argue it is so tonally different (an action-comedy as opposed to horror) that it would qualify as its own thing. I am aware of the novel. But since I said I was using film as an example here I was referring to the "original" David Niven film from the 50s and comparing it to the Jackie Chan remake in 2004 which...yeah... I am not away of any other movie versions of it. The Jackie Chan movie is just another adaptation of the novel, it's not a remake. Jules Verne is credited as the main writer for it.
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 14, 2021 22:18:33 GMT
Since this isn't going to be a 1:1 remake do any of you think that they should add KoTOR II's saber forms?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 14, 2021 22:51:09 GMT
Since this isn't going to be a 1:1 remake do any of you think that they should add KoTOR II's saber forms? It'd be harder, since I would lay serious money on the remake being more action oriented than the original, but if they can make it work - they definitely should. If nothing else; different forms, combined with classes and prestige classes would add replayability.
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 14, 2021 23:05:33 GMT
Since this isn't going to be a 1:1 remake do any of you think that they should add KoTOR II's saber forms? It'd be harder, since I would lay serious money on the remake being more action oriented than the original, but if they can make it work - they definitely should. If nothing else; different forms, combined with classes and prestige classes would add replayability. Agreed. The retroactive inclusion of prestige classes and forms could lay the groundwork for a possible KoTOR II remake too.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 14, 2021 23:19:58 GMT
The danger is to put original KOTOR on a pedestal. It was solid BioWare writing of its day (I see similarities to Dragon Age Origins) But as the original is (in my view) essentially unplayable for a modern audience, they should press ahead with what they want to do, whilst respecting the original. Who knows how much they will elaborate? The romance options needing a significant upgrade seems pretty obvious. The'll do away with the silent protagonist I would have thought. Maybe it'll have multiplayer. Do Aspyr pack their games with microtransactions? Either way, it'll be nice to have a new version fit for today, I enjoyed the original. Disagree with it being unplayable, clunky at times yes, but as a whole package it holds up well. I did a playthrough of KOTOR and KOTOR2 on the xbond last year, for me I got the same enjoyment out of them now as I did as a kid when they first came out. Their just solid games, which is why many in here are nervous about the potential changes that will be made. Resident evil 2 is an example of a good remake resident evil 3, not so much...
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 14, 2021 23:37:00 GMT
Are you seriously going to just keep deleting my posts when I havent said anything offensive about the devs, ur being silly now....
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 14, 2021 23:39:25 GMT
Are you seriously going to just keep deleting my posts when I havent said anything offensive about the devs, ur being silly now.... bsn.boards.net/post/1493999/threadGoing forward, please discuss KOTOR Remake as you will, but please leave individual developers out of it unless they comment on the KOTOR Remake in the press (and then their involvement in the topic should stay civil and relevant)
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Post by azarhal on Sept 14, 2021 23:44:30 GMT
It'd be harder, since I would lay serious money on the remake being more action oriented than the original, but if they can make it work - they definitely should. If nothing else; different forms, combined with classes and prestige classes would add replayability. Agreed. The retroactive inclusion of prestige classes and forms could lay the groundwork for a possible KoTOR II remake too. I doubt anything from the D20 ruleset will be kept for licensing reasons. There is a rumor that they are putting KoTOR II story (or elements of it) into the remake because they aren't planning a KoTOR II remake too. But that's just rumors and they showed up before the official remake announcement. Also, I remember when the first rumors showed up, there was some confusion with the High Republic era (Project Luminous) projects, so it's possible they are moving the events forward in the Disney canon timeline which would change a bunch of stuff (mostly references, but also tech level). But moving it closer on the timeline might make more sense if they are planning to do something with instead of just a retelling. And then there is the Star Wars Visions trailer which makes me think Disney doesn't care one bit where anything goes too...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 15, 2021 0:21:15 GMT
Agreed. The retroactive inclusion of prestige classes and forms could lay the groundwork for a possible KoTOR II remake too. I doubt anything from the D20 ruleset will be kept for licensing reasons. There is a rumor that they are putting KoTOR II story (or elements of it) into the remake because they aren't planning a KoTOR II remake too. But that's just rumors and they showed up before the official remake announcement. Also, I remember when the first rumors showed up, there was some confusion with the High Republic era (Project Luminous) projects, so it's possible they are moving the events forward in the Disney canon timeline which would change a bunch of stuff (mostly references, but also tech level). But moving it closer on the timeline might make more sense if they are planning to do something with instead of just a retelling. And then there is the Star Wars Visions trailer which makes me think Disney doesn't care one bit where anything goes too... Shows what I know, I guess. I didn't realise that the forms and Prestige classes were specific to D&D. But if so, then yeah, I guess that makes it less likely.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 15, 2021 1:04:10 GMT
I doubt anything from the D20 ruleset will be kept for licensing reasons. There is a rumor that they are putting KoTOR II story (or elements of it) into the remake because they aren't planning a KoTOR II remake too. But that's just rumors and they showed up before the official remake announcement. Also, I remember when the first rumors showed up, there was some confusion with the High Republic era (Project Luminous) projects, so it's possible they are moving the events forward in the Disney canon timeline which would change a bunch of stuff (mostly references, but also tech level). But moving it closer on the timeline might make more sense if they are planning to do something with instead of just a retelling. And then there is the Star Wars Visions trailer which makes me think Disney doesn't care one bit where anything goes too... Shows what I know, I guess. I didn't realise that the forms and Prestige classes were specific to D&D. But if so, then yeah, I guess that makes it less likely. The prestige class are a D&D concept, the names aren't thought. Nothing stop them from calling a class Jedi Watchmen, but it doesn't mean it will have anything in common with the one in KoTOR II. In fact, all of KoTOR II prestige class names are in SWTOR as (advanced) class names (or title for Lord/Master) except for Weapon Master. The base classes too (Guardian, Consular and Sentinel). The forms names thought are from the Legend canon, but I'm not sure where they stand in the Disney one.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 15, 2021 1:38:42 GMT
Shows what I know, I guess. I didn't realise that the forms and Prestige classes were specific to D&D. But if so, then yeah, I guess that makes it less likely. The prestige class are a D&D concept, the names aren't thought. Nothing stop them from calling a class Jedi Watchmen, but it doesn't mean it will have anything in common with the one in KoTOR II. In fact, all of KoTOR II prestige class names are in SWTOR as (advanced) class names (or title for Lord/Master) except for Weapon Master. The base classes too (Guardian, Consular and Sentinel). The forms names thought are from the Legend canon, but I'm not sure where they stand in the Disney one. I think it is probably safe to assume that - gameplay wise - very little will be the same as the original. For better or for worse, games have changed drastically in the intervening 18 years since KOTOR released. If it is a more action oriented game (as I'm anticipating) I can see the classes working similarly to the three broad ways you could build Geralt in TW3; Swords, Signs and Alchemy. Obviously, that tracks pretty well with Guardian and Consular, but not Sentinel. It was always the odd duck of the trio, anyway, though.
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