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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 24, 2021 17:54:52 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? It's true. Just watching the development of DA4 has been a ton of fun for me. How about you guys?
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 25, 2021 22:27:53 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. I like MET much more than DA, although Hawke comes close to Shepard's awesomeness But again, too many out there think Shepard is coming back, thanks to the trailer. And the longer they keep quiet, the bigger the blowback will be. I will be absolutely thrilled if they announce that Shepard isn't coming back. I don't understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea. There is no way they can account for everyone's choices and still have a fleshed out game. And if the game takes place centuries into the future with a cryogenically frozen Shepard, then that means all of Shepard's friends (except Wrex, Grunt, and Liara) and Shepard's LI (except for Liara) are long dead, so the original crew wouldn't be together anyway.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2021 15:26:37 GMT
I will be absolutely thrilled if they announce that Shepard isn't coming back. I don't understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea. There is no way they can account for everyone's choices and still have a fleshed out game. And if the game takes place centuries into the future with a cryogenically frozen Shepard, then that means all of Shepard's friends (except Wrex, Grunt, and Liara) and Shepard's LI (except for Liara) are long dead, so the original crew wouldn't be together anyway. We are on the same page. Shepard is my favorite PC ever but we got a full story. I know issues with Ryder have wanted Shepard's return but I think the solution is to have more appealing writing. If the writing is bad in a new game with Shepard then people will be pissed that BW ruined him/her. Better to let Shepard rest, whether it be "in peace" or otherwise. Ryder isn't actually irredeemable, even if someone didn't like them in MEA. It's the writing. I firmly believe that MEA was a sort of "coming of age" for Ryder and quality writing would prove that to be true. The only reason I'd at all want to see any of the MET crew would be to fully pass the torch. A new PC is going to face the same issues as Ryder so I say work with what we've got.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2021 15:29:08 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? The Citadel DLC was tons of fun but that's not a game in and of itself. I think DAI had some fun in it, like Cullen losing at poker (it's poker no matter what you call it) and running away naked. Not sure I saw a lot of fun in DAO or DA2.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2021 15:31:24 GMT
I have never played a Dragon Age game, so I cannot comment on any game in that series. I would suggest trying one of the games. Like DAO. Get it when it's onsale or borrow a copy from a friend to play. You might end up liking it. It took me a while to get past the PC being unvoiced. Once I did I got to see how awesome of a game it was. It's at least worth playing to compare to ME1 since that makes for a similar "who the heck are these people and what's going on" feeling.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 27, 2021 5:15:53 GMT
But again, too many out there think Shepard is coming back, thanks to the trailer. And the longer they keep quiet, the bigger the blowback will be. I will be absolutely thrilled if they announce that Shepard isn't coming back. I don't understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea. There is no way they can account for everyone's choices and still have a fleshed out game. And if the game takes place centuries into the future with a cryogenically frozen Shepard, then that means all of Shepard's friends (except Wrex, Grunt, and Liara) and Shepard's LI (except for Liara) are long dead, so the original crew wouldn't be together anyway. I never said that Shepard coming back was a good or a bad idea. I'm only commenting on what the general, everyday audience that came in with MELE is saying. I already know Shepard returning isn't going to happen. Would it be nice? Maybe...but like dmc1001 said - it all boils down to the writing. And I don't think they have the writing in them anymore. I also don't think Ryder is coming back, either. Going with someone new is probably your only way forward, because for Ryder to be "redeemed" enough for most that didn't like Ryder to embrace them again, would probably require a lot of changes that those that did like Ryder would immediately be turned off by. So, Shepard coming back isn't the answer. And Ryder returning isn't the answer either, really. New Protag is really the only choice they have, and that's what I see coming. Which I have said could be good, but again - boils down to the writing. People outside of this forum that are new to Mass Effect from MELE are the ones that feel Shepard is returning. The "normies" as those not in a fandom are often called. Is it fair or right that this is the case? That's really hard to say; but the longer BioWare lets those who continue to think Shepard is returning either because they are new to the franchise, or just were not interested in Ryder after Andromeda, it's possible we're looking at another "ending debacle" 2.0
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 27, 2021 5:49:08 GMT
I never said that Shepard coming back was a good or a bad idea. I'm only commenting on what the general, everyday audience that came in with MELE is saying. I know, and I was commenting on why I think the "everyday audience" has terrible taste. I'm not convinced it's only new people, though. I remember comments here even before MELE where people hoped for Shepard to come back.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 27, 2021 12:35:29 GMT
I never said that Shepard coming back was a good or a bad idea. I'm only commenting on what the general, everyday audience that came in with MELE is saying. I know, and I was commenting on why I think the "everyday audience" has terrible taste. I'm not convinced it's only new people, though. I remember comments here even before MELE where people hoped for Shepard to come back. Sorry; it's not been a fun week for me. Work, holidays and a funeral.
I apologize for not reading it correctly
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I never said that Shepard coming back was a good or a bad idea. I'm only commenting on what the general, everyday audience that came in with MELE is saying. I know, and I was commenting on why I think the "everyday audience" has terrible taste. I'm not convinced it's only new people, though. I remember comments here even before MELE where people hoped for Shepard to come back. Before the remaster was announced/released, I believed Shepard would not return no matter how slim, but after the remaster, the teaser, Shepard returning would be higher than slim. In the last year, there has been nothing, at least for me, to say there will be a sequel to MEA, whereas there has been a lot to suggest a sequel to ME3. I have no problem if the next game features a new character. I also have no problem with Shepard returning since I believe his/her story isn't finished. The guy did say one more story. I'm sure the kid is anxiously waiting to hear that story.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 27, 2021 15:48:53 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? The Citadel DLC was tons of fun but that's not a game in and of itself. I think DAI had some fun in it, like Cullen losing at poker (it's poker no matter what you call it) and running away naked. Not sure I saw a lot of fun in DAO or DA2.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 27, 2021 15:53:56 GMT
I never said that Shepard coming back was a good or a bad idea. I'm only commenting on what the general, everyday audience that came in with MELE is saying. I know, and I was commenting on why I think the "everyday audience" has terrible taste. I'm not convinced it's only new people, though. I remember comments here even before MELE where people hoped for Shepard to come back.
I believe Shep will not come back. However, that teaser suggests otherwise. Probably a marketing ploy. Regardless, I just want anothe ME game.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Nov 28, 2021 16:19:20 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? That is all a matter of perspective. I will take the trilogy over any of the DA games. I will say this though DA games hold their own as stand alone games. As far as ME goes I can't say if it can reach the level of acclaim the trilogy did nor does it need to. It just needs to be a good game. A story with a smaller scope could work fine. Just don't make the mistakes MEA made. It left too many loose ends and unanswered questions. It was still a decent game. It mainly needed tighter direction.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 28, 2021 17:05:05 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again, despite all the retconned lore and magical science used to make Andromeda possible, the premise was fine(tm).
Ryder and CO would have absolutely worked, if the writing wasn't shit. The main plot was shit, the characters were shit and Ryder is...complicated.
Ryder is a weird situation. THeir not written well at all imo, and that's the brunt of the issue. However I think they would have worked better, had the tone of the game been more serious. Had the Ryder we got had taken things more seriously I think Ryder would have been more acceptable to people. Still not good, but acceptable enough more people would be willing to go "Okay...maybe one more chance". Because the handful of times I was actually allowed to make Ryder take things seriously, it wasn't horrible. THe handful of times the game wasn't trying super hard to be Guardians of the Galaxy it wasn't that terrible.
Shepard coming back, at this point, really serves no narrative purpose, so I'm not really sure why people want Shepard back other than just illogical stubbornness. Bringing them back as an NPC character? sure, I can see that. Shepard being an old fart who has Hackett's job? Yea I can see that, as just one example. By the time the relays are all rebuilt, Shepard and Co are gonna be old fossils at best. There's literally no reason to have them return as the main cast unless you want the most illogical nonsense story possible, which most pro OT people claim they are against. But then again, these same people fail to see the obvious flaws in ME2's writing and refuse to admit how nonsensical the game is in many ways, so I guess it makes sense. Fuck logic, I just want nostalgia feels according to them.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 28, 2021 17:06:39 GMT
I don’t know, they rival Dragon Age easily for me in the fun department. Mass Effect is my favorite science fiction gaming franchise and Dragon Age my favorite fantasy gaming franchise. I have lots of fun with the combat of both, and the choices.
This is interesting though because it doesn’t matter if it’s a game or movie or band, past success outweighs all future endeavors. I doubt it will feel the same. Maybe it shouldn’t. Maybe it can’t.
I should say surpass rather than rival, I’m a big shooter game player. But I do love swords and sorcery as well.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 28, 2021 18:43:57 GMT
Dragon Age was my favorite fantasy brand, back when it was new-ish, because I frankly had very little Fantasy experience back then. I still appreciate it in theory, but am wholly incapable of enjoying it at this point because of their foolish decisions they've made. Warhammer Fantasy is easily more interesting to me these days at present. Much deeper lore that isn't ret-conned with every addition.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 29, 2021 0:22:32 GMT
I truly doubt that the writers of ME and DA are capable of writing anything which even comes close to the beauty which was Dragon age Origins OR Mass effect again. The question I always have is it the quality of writing or the amount of writing the problem. I am going to stick with Mass Effect for its the franchise I have the most time with, but I can complete Mass Effect 1 in five hours on normal difficulty and frankly the majority of the game aside from the story was subpar. The planets were barren and the structures you found on them were reused just as much as Dragon Age 2's dungeons. The gear you used was only four different models that were recolored multiple times to give the impression of different variants, and then there was one more set to rule them all. The combat was awful while the powers and skills were unbalanced. So yes Mass Effect 1 had a good story and great pacing for it, but do you think that all the sacrifices to get the story to work that way would work today? I am of the belief that BioWare's approach to games just doesn't fit in AAA development, the approach fits more within the AA style of game where they have a bigger budget then an indie, but don't have the justify a major nine digit budget by adding all the bells and whistles that are expected of a game in that area. Open world games with filler kill a game's story, I haven't played an open world game with a really good story for there is so much downtime in any of them that it ruins my experience. Just like AC: Valhalla where again the story suffers greatly due to being an open world so you have all kinds of time killing filler so people think they have a good game because it takes a long time to beat. I didn't mind the story of Andromeda if the critical path approach is taken (still not better then ME1), but my experience was vastly better just ignoring the garbage added to increase play time. If BioWare decides to take the "back to basics" approach I will have more hope for the game then the "bigger and better" approach, but I am pretty sure I will win the lotto jackpot first.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 29, 2021 1:06:32 GMT
I truly doubt that the writers of ME and DA are capable of writing anything which even comes close to the beauty which was Dragon age Origins OR Mass effect again. The question I always have is it the quality of writing or the amount of writing the problem. I am going to stick with Mass Effect for its the franchise I have the most time with, but I can complete Mass Effect 1 in five hours on normal difficulty and frankly the majority of the game aside from the story was subpar. The planets were barren and the structures you found on them were reused just as much as Dragon Age 2's dungeons. The gear you used was only four different models that were recolored multiple times to give the impression of different variants, and then there was one more set to rule them all. The combat was awful while the powers and skills were unbalanced. So yes Mass Effect 1 had a good story and great pacing for it, but do you think that all the sacrifices to get the story to work that way would work today? I am of the belief that BioWare's approach to games just doesn't fit in AAA development, the approach fits more within the AA style of game where they have a bigger budget then an indie, but don't have the justify a major nine digit budget by adding all the bells and whistles that are expected of a game in that area. Open world games with filler kill a game's story, I haven't played an open world game with a really good story for there is so much downtime in any of them that it ruins my experience. Just like AC: Valhalla where again the story suffers greatly due to being an open world so you have all kinds of time killing filler so people think they have a good game because it takes a long time to beat. I didn't mind the story of Andromeda if the critical path approach is taken (still not better then ME1), but my experience was vastly better just ignoring the garbage added to increase play time. If BioWare decides to take the "back to basics" approach I will have more hope for the game then the "bigger and better" approach, but I am pretty sure I will win the lotto jackpot first. For me, because the story is so engaging, I can overlook the faults, like the reused (or recoloured) planets. I can ignore that weapons and whatnot are just recolours. The story just pulls me in. It's the same with DAO. The gameplay is, to put it bluntly, crap. BUT, the story is top notch so I can overlook or even ignore some of the faults. Dragon age 2, again, has reused areas and other issues. BUT the gameplay, characters and story keep me playing. It's a shame that game didn't get the attention it deserved. I think it would have blown DAO out of the water. I think you're right about open worlds killing the story. I'm going through Assassin's creed Odyssey at the moment and having a nice time culling the wild boar population of Greece. BUT there is so much stuff on the map, that I often find myself at a loss with what to do next. And usually whatever I end up doing, is nothing to do with the story. Bioware definitely need to go back to a more linear approach with their games. Leave the massive worlds to Bethesda, it's what they're good at, and stick to story telling. PS: Excuse me if I rambled a bit. I've had a couple of glasses of red wine so I'm a bit fresh.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 29, 2021 23:58:38 GMT
The question I always have is it the quality of writing or the amount of writing the problem. I am going to stick with Mass Effect for its the franchise I have the most time with, but I can complete Mass Effect 1 in five hours on normal difficulty and frankly the majority of the game aside from the story was subpar. The planets were barren and the structures you found on them were reused just as much as Dragon Age 2's dungeons. The gear you used was only four different models that were recolored multiple times to give the impression of different variants, and then there was one more set to rule them all. The combat was awful while the powers and skills were unbalanced. So yes Mass Effect 1 had a good story and great pacing for it, but do you think that all the sacrifices to get the story to work that way would work today? I am of the belief that BioWare's approach to games just doesn't fit in AAA development, the approach fits more within the AA style of game where they have a bigger budget then an indie, but don't have the justify a major nine digit budget by adding all the bells and whistles that are expected of a game in that area. Open world games with filler kill a game's story, I haven't played an open world game with a really good story for there is so much downtime in any of them that it ruins my experience. Just like AC: Valhalla where again the story suffers greatly due to being an open world so you have all kinds of time killing filler so people think they have a good game because it takes a long time to beat. I didn't mind the story of Andromeda if the critical path approach is taken (still not better then ME1), but my experience was vastly better just ignoring the garbage added to increase play time. If BioWare decides to take the "back to basics" approach I will have more hope for the game then the "bigger and better" approach, but I am pretty sure I will win the lotto jackpot first. For me, because the story is so engaging, I can overlook the faults, like the reused (or recoloured) planets. I can ignore that weapons and whatnot are just recolours. The story just pulls me in. It's the same with DAO. The gameplay is, to put it bluntly, crap. BUT, the story is top notch so I can overlook or even ignore some of the faults. Dragon age 2, again, has reused areas and other issues. BUT the gameplay, characters and story keep me playing. It's a shame that game didn't get the attention it deserved. I think it would have blown DAO out of the water. I think you're right about open worlds killing the story. I'm going through Assassin's creed Odyssey at the moment and having a nice time culling the wild boar population of Greece. BUT there is so much stuff on the map, that I often find myself at a loss with what to do next. And usually whatever I end up doing, is nothing to do with the story. Bioware definitely need to go back to a more linear approach with their games. Leave the massive worlds to Bethesda, it's what they're good at, and stick to story telling. PS: Excuse me if I rambled a bit. I've had a couple of glasses of red wine so I'm a bit fresh. I'm coming back to this much later but hopefully a little more sober and clear. BUT, I think Bioware's knack for character writing is also a factor on their ability to keep my attention. NO ONE writes characters like they do. Though I believe the Dragon age team are better at it than ME.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 30, 2021 0:05:19 GMT
I'm coming back to this much later but hopefully a little more sober and clear. BUT, I think Bioware's knack for character writing is also a factor on their ability to keep my attention. NO ONE writes characters like they do. Though I believe the Dragon age team are better at it than ME. I'm of a opposite opinion on that. I think the Mass Effect team wrote better characters, though they had the benefit of a trilogy. DA:O i liked the game but none of the characters resonated with me, DA2, i liked sarcastic Hawk, but that's about it. DA:O didn't really like anyone. ME 1-3 I like to love almost every character. Now story wise I think the DA team did better, but damn do i still love ME 1-3s story.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 30, 2021 0:13:26 GMT
I'm coming back to this much later but hopefully a little more sober and clear. BUT, I think Bioware's knack for character writing is also a factor on their ability to keep my attention. NO ONE writes characters like they do. Though I believe the Dragon age team are better at it than ME. I'm of a opposite opinion on that. I think the Mass Effect team wrote better characters, though they had the benefit of a trilogy. DA:O i liked the game but none of the characters resonated with me, DA2, i liked sarcastic Hawk, but that's about it. DA:O didn't really like anyone. ME 1-3 I like to love almost every character. Now story wise I think the DA team did better, but damn do i still love ME 1-3s story. It's possible I have a case of rose tinted glasses for DAO because it was my first proper story RPG, and it made me cry. Only RPG I'd played before that, was Elder scrolls Oblivion. The characters though, they seem much more fleshed out in Dragon age, than they do in ME. In ME2 you don't even need to talk to them before Kelly starts reminding you every five seconds that 'Jacob wants to see you' Or 'Grunt seems very agitated'. Where as in DA, characters won't give you quests until you meet a certain 'friendly' or in the case of DA2 'Frenemy' threshold.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 30, 2021 0:54:17 GMT
I'm of a opposite opinion on that. I think the Mass Effect team wrote better characters, though they had the benefit of a trilogy. DA:O i liked the game but none of the characters resonated with me, DA2, i liked sarcastic Hawk, but that's about it. DA:O didn't really like anyone. ME 1-3 I like to love almost every character. Now story wise I think the DA team did better, but damn do i still love ME 1-3s story. It's possible I have a case of rose tinted glasses for DAO because it was my first proper story RPG, and it made me cry. Only RPG I'd played before that, was Elder scrolls Oblivion. The characters though, they seem much more fleshed out in Dragon age, than they do in ME. In ME2 you don't even need to talk to them before Kelly starts reminding you every five seconds that 'Jacob wants to see you' Or 'Grunt seems very agitated'. Where as in DA, characters won't give you quests until you meet a certain 'friendly' or in the case of DA2 'Frenemy' threshold. Sometimes more is less I guess. I haven't tracked which actually gives more, but more sometimes means more time to screw it up.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Nov 30, 2021 2:17:37 GMT
I'm skeptical because, even if Walters and Gamble are involved, there is no Casey Hudson in the project. Continuing a franchise after said creator leaves the company to pursue other goals is very different from a "Let's jump ship and sell it, George Lucas did it", it smells wrong somehow.
The next Mass Effect is either throwing the franchise into a dumpster fire or it shall be some of the best RPG we've seen in decades, showing us why Bioware was the name for the genre.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 30, 2021 3:00:21 GMT
I'm skeptical because, even if Walters and Gamble are involved, there is no Casey Hudson in the project. Continuing a franchise after said creator leaves the company to pursue other goals is very different from a "Let's jump ship and sell it, George Lucas did it", it smells wrong somehow. The next Mass Effect is either throwing the franchise into a dumpster fire or it shall be some of the best RPG we've seen in decades, showing us why Bioware was the name for the genre. I don't think Casey Hudson not being on the game makes that big of a difference for Mass Effect isn't the creation of a single person, but an entire team. Casey Hudson had the initial vision for the franchise, but even if he was there I doubt he had complete freedom for the game even going back to the first game. Its a commercial product so I don't see it happening much like movies where the final product is out of the hands of the creator unless they are given the final cut. I doubt you agree with this comment, but there is plenty of commentary about how Casey Hudson ruined ME3's ending so I am not sure even if he was there it would be a benefit for the game or not.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 30, 2021 3:34:41 GMT
I'm coming back to this much later but hopefully a little more sober and clear. BUT, I think Bioware's knack for character writing is also a factor on their ability to keep my attention. NO ONE writes characters like they do. Though I believe the Dragon age team are better at it than ME. I'm of a opposite opinion on that. I think the Mass Effect team wrote better characters, though they had the benefit of a trilogy. DA:O i liked the game but none of the characters resonated with me, DA2, i liked sarcastic Hawk, but that's about it. DA:O didn't really like anyone. ME 1-3 I like to love almost every character. Now story wise I think the DA team did better, but damn do i still love ME 1-3s story. See, the characters in DA:O and DA2 really stuck with me. Outside of Varric from Inquisition, I could throw away the rest of that cast, including the Inquisitor. I do agree with the ME Trilogy characters, especially in ME2. That was the crew to beat, for me.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 30, 2021 3:39:21 GMT
I'm skeptical because, even if Walters and Gamble are involved, there is no Casey Hudson in the project. Continuing a franchise after said creator leaves the company to pursue other goals is very different from a "Let's jump ship and sell it, George Lucas did it", it smells wrong somehow. The next Mass Effect is either throwing the franchise into a dumpster fire or it shall be some of the best RPG we've seen in decades, showing us why Bioware was the name for the genre. I don't think Casey Hudson not being on the game makes that big of a difference for Mass Effect isn't the creation of a single person, but an entire team. Casey Hudson had the initial vision for the franchise, but even if he was there I doubt he had complete freedom for the game even going back to the first game. Its a commercial product so I don't see it happening much like movies where the final product is out of the hands of the creator unless they are given the final cut. I doubt you agree with this comment, but there is plenty of commentary about how Casey Hudson ruined ME3's ending so I am not sure even if he was there it would be a benefit for the game or not.
Agreed; Casey not being involved brings me back to at least "wary" as opposed to, "nope" for me. His ego got too big and I think after most rejected his "artistic ending", he got hurt by that and doubled down, which I think just drove the wedge further. It's why (and this is just pure speculation on my part) I think it's weird that he comes back, only to leave again shortly before MELE gets released. I'm more than likely reading too much into it (and I'm aware Mac is just as guilty in the ending debacle), but while I give Hudson credit for sticking to his guns, there's a time when you put ego aside and say, "I screwed up and blew it for the fans".
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