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Post by Sanunes on Nov 30, 2021 4:27:18 GMT
I don't think Casey Hudson not being on the game makes that big of a difference for Mass Effect isn't the creation of a single person, but an entire team. Casey Hudson had the initial vision for the franchise, but even if he was there I doubt he had complete freedom for the game even going back to the first game. Its a commercial product so I don't see it happening much like movies where the final product is out of the hands of the creator unless they are given the final cut. I doubt you agree with this comment, but there is plenty of commentary about how Casey Hudson ruined ME3's ending so I am not sure even if he was there it would be a benefit for the game or not.
Agreed; Casey not being involved brings me back to at least "wary" as opposed to, "nope" for me. His ego got too big and I think after most rejected his "artistic ending", he got hurt by that and doubled down, which I think just drove the wedge further. It's why (and this is just pure speculation on my part) I think it's weird that he comes back, only to leave again shortly before MELE gets released. I'm more than likely reading too much into it (and I'm aware Mac is just as guilty in the ending debacle), but while I give Hudson credit for sticking to his guns, there's a time when you put ego aside and say, "I screwed up and blew it for the fans".
My opinion is that Casey Hudson was asked to come back after it was known that there wasn't be a studio head for BioWare and I am not sure if it was ever going to be anything more then temporary. Multiple developers over the years have used the expression of "EA gives you enough rope to hang yourself" and I believe after both Andromeda and Anthem BioWare hit that point where they hung themselves. I don't think EA has given up on the studio itself, but I can see them wanting a different style of leadership. Based on the reports about how the procedural content issue around Andromeda happened, or the reported disagreements between the two BioWare studios, or missteps around Anthem's development. All of that sounds like leadership wasn't course correcting fast enough to me. Now I am not crazy about the person in charge of BioWare now, but if I have to be 100% honest I am not sure I would be anymore confident in a BioWare game if they just promoted someone from within again in fact I might be less confident.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 30, 2021 5:29:21 GMT
That's very fair. As I said, I'm just speculating how it looks to me at least. It's possible your theory could also be correct. I doubt we'll ever know the truth, really.
But I agree - I'd rather they bring someone in from outside to guide BioWare instead of promoting from within. The people that made the company name mean something have long since gone.
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Post by Spectr61 on Nov 30, 2021 8:29:30 GMT
As I’ve said before, I would love to be a fly on the wall during an imaginary conversation between Hudson/Walters and Benoit/Weiss about “artistic integrity” and fucked up endings to massively popular series.
My bet is they compare notes on therapists.
With a new added log on the fire now that Amazon is supposedly going to make a ME series. “But, we were going to make a movie in 2012!” — but the whole franchise fell off the radar after the firestorm fan reaction from the endings debacle — and now? Who is going to “advise” the show runners? Better not be Hudson or the somehow - accountability be dammed, and I’m still around - Walters. We would just get more of that craptastic “artistic integrity”.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Nov 30, 2021 16:42:05 GMT
I'm skeptical because, even if Walters and Gamble are involved, there is no Casey Hudson in the project. Continuing a franchise after said creator leaves the company to pursue other goals is very different from a "Let's jump ship and sell it, George Lucas did it", it smells wrong somehow. The next Mass Effect is either throwing the franchise into a dumpster fire or it shall be some of the best RPG we've seen in decades, showing us why Bioware was the name for the genre. I don't think Casey Hudson not being on the game makes that big of a difference for Mass Effect isn't the creation of a single person, but an entire team. Casey Hudson had the initial vision for the franchise, but even if he was there I doubt he had complete freedom for the game even going back to the first game. Its a commercial product so I don't see it happening much like movies where the final product is out of the hands of the creator unless they are given the final cut. I doubt you agree with this comment, but there is plenty of commentary about how Casey Hudson ruined ME3's ending so I am not sure even if he was there it would be a benefit for the game or not. Hey, you do speak the truth, but Hudson himself has proven how the Trilogy was a product that he was so fond of and always brings up Mass Effect when he can. Also, he did push for the Legendary Edition for some time and once it was confirmed coming, off he went to other studio again. Anthem that he should've salvaged? Well, no news on that. I do agree how it's a vision of the entire team. Karpyshin himself should also be mentioned here, but Casey as Project Director and Bioware themselves (with Muzyka and Zeschuk - which also left) had a name after KotOR and moving to Mass Effect. Thing is, we don't actually know how much of that was Casey's, or Drew's, or Mac's, the other writers' or even EA's after acquiring Bioware. And yeah, while I agree about how Casey had a hand in the ME3 ending, I would absolutely give him another chance on the franchise, it has been 9 years already.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 30, 2021 18:25:53 GMT
Agreed; Casey not being involved brings me back to at least "wary" as opposed to, "nope" for me. His ego got too big and I think after most rejected his "artistic ending", he got hurt by that and doubled down, which I think just drove the wedge further. It's why (and this is just pure speculation on my part) I think it's weird that he comes back, only to leave again shortly before MELE gets released. I'm more than likely reading too much into it (and I'm aware Mac is just as guilty in the ending debacle), but while I give Hudson credit for sticking to his guns, there's a time when you put ego aside and say, "I screwed up and blew it for the fans".
My opinion is that Casey Hudson was asked to come back after it was known that there wasn't be a studio head for BioWare and I am not sure if it was ever going to be anything more then temporary. Multiple developers over the years have used the expression of "EA gives you enough rope to hang yourself" and I believe after both Andromeda and Anthem BioWare hit that point where they hung themselves. I don't think EA has given up on the studio itself, but I can see them wanting a different style of leadership. Based on the reports about how the procedural content issue around Andromeda happened, or the reported disagreements between the two BioWare studios, or missteps around Anthem's development. All of that sounds like leadership wasn't course correcting fast enough to me. Now I am not crazy about the person in charge of BioWare now, but if I have to be 100% honest I am not sure I would be anymore confident in a BioWare game if they just promoted someone from within again in fact I might be less confident. Hudson bails when he smells rotten eggs. He just wasnt very successful in staying away from them - he's racked up quite a number of bailed projects now. It's a AAA problem I guess.
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