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Post by fylimar on Jun 30, 2022 17:55:53 GMT
I personally don't want a redemption Arc. Just let me kill him and be done with it. Maybe proof him wrong beforehand, so he dies miserably. So many replies like this, but no one takes the time to elaborate. Why the hate for Solas? It can't be because he wants to destroy the world because that's just tuesday in this kind of story. Well, I can't speak for the others, but I don't like Solas - he is racist and generally condescending.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 1, 2022 1:16:35 GMT
I personally don't want a redemption Arc. Just let me kill him and be done with it. Maybe proof him wrong beforehand, so he dies miserably. So many replies like this, but no one takes the time to elaborate. Why the hate for Solas? It can't be because he wants to destroy the world because that's just tuesday in this kind of story. yeah but Urthemiel and Corypheus didn't spend a whole game with us decieving us about their knowledge, intentions, and goals. We also didn't really know then personally, so I don't care enough about them to hate them. I didn't trust Solas after I got to skyhold the first time. But now that i know the truth every time I replay the game my dislike for him grows with his every deception and hidden meaning.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2022 1:27:37 GMT
I personally don't want a redemption Arc. Just let me kill him and be done with it. Maybe proof him wrong beforehand, so he dies miserably. So many replies like this, but no one takes the time to elaborate. Why the hate for Solas? It can't be because he wants to destroy the world because that's just tuesday in this kind of story. Why can't it? He plans on murdering millions of innocent people. There's no better reason to hate somebody.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 1, 2022 7:35:53 GMT
Why the hate for Solas? It can't be because he wants to destroy the world because that's just tuesday in this kind of story. yeah but Urthemiel and Corypheus didn't spend a whole game with us decieving us about their knowledge, intentions, and goals. We also didn't really know then personally, so I don't care enough about them to hate them. This pretty much sums it up. Most of the antagonists we encounter are just standard evil; they are pretty much upfront with their intentions and so we can simply focus on stopping them without any accompanying negative emotions, which can be counterproductive if this clouds our reasoning. Now if you always were antagonistic towards Solas or even outright violent then I don't think it has such an emotional impact on you. It is noticeable that when the confrontation occurs between them in Trespasser, he drops all niceties immediately and simply tells it as it is; you are all going to die because I want my old world back. He doesn't say he stopped the Qunari so the south can live out their last days in peace; he did it because the Qunari offend him. What engenders such anger in me, at least, with my Lavellan who saw him as a friend, is that he not only admits that he was always working to his own agenda, that would have rendered all our efforts against Corypheus pointless if the orb hadn't been destroyed, but he continues to try and emotionally manipulate me by justifying his previous and future actions and then trying to suggest that I would do no different in his situation. Then he suggests he is doing us a favour by warning us in advance and that he stopped the Qunari so we can enjoy what time we have left. However, if I ask why this world has to die, he denies me that information because it might help me. What is even more infuriating is that in Tevinter Nights he continues to apologies to the Inquisitor via Charter. If he was truly sorry, he wouldn't carry through with his plan. At the very least he would take me into his confidence about why it is necessary. So, he is not really sorry at all; he just wants to make himself feel better. In other words, he wants to remain the hero in his story even though he knows he is really the villain. It is also possible that he is deliberately provoking this anger in us so we won't approach the problem rationally or is encouraging our sympathy for the same reason; emotion will impair our decision making. I seem to recall Solas sums it up in one of his conversations "......only a friend can betray. Betrayal is always worse." However, that emotion only applies when playing my Lavellan or when viewing his actions in a general sense. Since it seems likely that next game I will be working for the majority of the time with a new PC who doesn't have this emotional baggage to impede their thinking, I can once again approach Solas as an antagonist in much the same way as I did Corypheus or any other tyrant who wants to change the world to the detriment of everyone else.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 1, 2022 8:06:35 GMT
I made my suggestion because I thought it would be some kind of poetic justice. But it wouldn't take much effort to talk me into simply killing Solas instead.
This doesn't mean that I hate him.
I, the player, am mostly tired of the character after so many years and otherwise indifferent.
My Inquisitor promised to redeem him because he just doesn't give up on people. But I'm not him and my emotions are not his.
My new protagonist may simply decide that killing Solas is the easiest, most convenient and at least somewhat permanent (given how stuff sometimes refuses to stay dead in Dragon Age) solution to the problem. It's merely a logical problem solving approach - my new protagonist has as far as I know never met Solas before and therefore has no reason to hate him.
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Post by Greysen on Jul 1, 2022 20:57:11 GMT
I think at this point I would like to see Solas have a character arc that shows him slowly recognizing he was wrong. Of course, the problem with this is that if he realizes he is wrong by the end before the final battle then who is the foe you fight for the final battle? If he recognizes it after the fight then maybe you can redeem him?
I think it would be interesting for him to evolve into a true ally at the end. I always liked it in stories when someone had a character arc and became part of the group rather than remainging the bad guy or problematic outsider. I really enjoy character arcs where there is redemption and when a former enemy becomes a trusted friend having gone through a change of heart that is well written and makes sense. But I don't know if BW will do that or if they writers could pull it off within the confines of a game.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jul 15, 2022 0:58:06 GMT
I just want to kill him no redemption needed just introducing him to my Murder Knife.
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Post by Norstaera on Jul 26, 2022 16:51:12 GMT
Have a few thoughts on this, My personal satisfying ending involves proving Solas wrong, and having him know it. Whether we kill him, imprison him, or otherwise stop him, it just won't be as satisfying if he doesn't know that he was wrong. Yeah, I'd like him (and most of my quizzies, too) to know he was wrong in so many ways. Some would kill him, most would probably prefer to imprison him if they could, one might even want to redeem him. Because if we are going to convince Solas he is wrong and have a battle for philosophical purposes then it needs to be set up by actions we take through the game. If we are going to redeem him then it should be because we prove it...otherwise we might have to fight him and defeat him. Why not some from the previous games as well? The HoF, especially if they died, should deserve some respect. If Alistair is king, he makes the Alienage its own Bannorn. If the Inquisitor selflessy works against Cory. What if Hawke tried to help the mages? What if Mythal liked Hawke? Remind him of these things (or other, better examples) as well as current efforts by the pc or somebody else. When I can use his head as a goblet. Ha ha! One of my quizzies would defintely be up for that. In terms of the setting though I can't help but think we'd be in a much more interesting place for potential future games if the Veil dropped ie Solas might be correct to some degree about the necessity of Veil-dropping I had a couple of posts elsewhere about the Veil and Solas. Solas brings down the Veil but the results are not what he anticipated, and The Executors said that "Corypheus threatens us all" but they don't say the same thing about Solas. Not really a fan of proving him wrong as i don't think there's a wrong as he is trying to restore world to its natural state. He already knows the collateral damage will be huge so it not as if you can make a humanitarian pitch. One outcome could be that he drops the Veil and then realizes he was completely stupid (or not? I prefer that he realizes he was wrong AGAIN). The Veil coming down might be a necessity, but the how is important. Let's take it as a given that the Veil comes down by the end of this game, one way or another. As a setup for future games, whether 1) Solas tears down the Veil directly, 2) his actions have already made a softer transition impossible because other parties are able to take advantage, or 3) a slower and safer transition is begun you're going to have issues because there are bound to be hiccups and competing interests. The attitudes of these interests and different groups of people could have different starting points based on how the Veil came down. I just want there to be several different ends for him. I always like choices. If Bioware has further uses for him, we won't be able to completely kill him but we might think we did if was able to secrete a part of him elsewhere. - So, kill him (or think we did)
- Imprison him somehow, whether he realizes he was wrong or not
- You're not able to get to him at all
- He recognizes the errors of his ways and (chances of these vary depending on your choides and relationships prior to this point) you let him go and he:
- 'fades away', ie goes away to contemplate his actions in an isolated location
- wanders around trying to fix things similar to The Messenger in Awakening
- he works with you either on the periphery or more directly
- Something else
I think at this point I would like to see Solas have a character arc that shows him slowly recognizing he was wrong. Of course, the problem with this is that if he realizes he is wrong by the end before the final battle then who is the foe you fight for the final battle? If he recognizes it after the fight then maybe you can redeem him? I think it would be interesting for him to evolve into a true ally at the end. I always liked it in stories when someone had a character arc and became part of the group rather than remainging the bad guy or problematic outsider. I really enjoy character arcs where there is redemption and when a former enemy becomes a trusted friend having gone through a change of heart that is well written and makes sense. But I don't know if BW will do that or if they writers could pull it off within the confines of a game. Final battle, hmmm. Maybe the final battle doesn't have to be against a who so much as a what, as in the results of the Veil coming down. Stability vs. non-stability, rampant mayhem and carnage vs. more limited m & c (no way there won't be some). Some powerful entities might be released and some of them might be against you and you have to defeat them at the end before you can achieve any sort of stability. One could be, not an overriding big baddie, a supremely powerful entity that is really, really pissed. If Solas doesn't agree he was wrong, he could be one of those against you. Or he could fight directly with you or indirectly depending on how things have gone. I don't think I'm explaining this well, and I haven't fully thought it out, I hope you get the idea. This post is getting long enough already.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 26, 2022 21:53:10 GMT
I hope player actions (both from DAI & DAD) determine whether he will be redeemed or corrupted. In case of redemption I don't want him to get his redemption by a last minute change of heart & heroic sacrifice - that has been done too many times already. Redeemed villain who lives is a much more interesting concept to me.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 27, 2022 0:57:05 GMT
Have a few thoughts on this, My personal satisfying ending involves proving Solas wrong, and having him know it. Whether we kill him, imprison him, or otherwise stop him, it just won't be as satisfying if he doesn't know that he was wrong. Yeah, I'd like him (and most of my quizzies, too) to know he was wrong in so many ways. Some would kill him, most would probably prefer to imprison him if they could, one might even want to redeem him. Because if we are going to convince Solas he is wrong and have a battle for philosophical purposes then it needs to be set up by actions we take through the game. If we are going to redeem him then it should be because we prove it...otherwise we might have to fight him and defeat him. Why not some from the previous games as well? The HoF, especially if they died, should deserve some respect. If Alistair is king, he makes the Alienage its own Bannorn. If the Inquisitor selflessy works against Cory. What if Hawke tried to help the mages? What if Mythal liked Hawke? Remind him of these things (or other, better examples) as well as current efforts by the pc or somebody else. When I can use his head as a goblet. Ha ha! One of my quizzies would defintely be up for that. In terms of the setting though I can't help but think we'd be in a much more interesting place for potential future games if the Veil dropped ie Solas might be correct to some degree about the necessity of Veil-dropping I had a couple of posts elsewhere about the Veil and Solas. Solas brings down the Veil but the results are not what he anticipated, and The Executors said that "Corypheus threatens us all" but they don't say the same thing about Solas. Not really a fan of proving him wrong as i don't think there's a wrong as he is trying to restore world to its natural state. He already knows the collateral damage will be huge so it not as if you can make a humanitarian pitch. One outcome could be that he drops the Veil and then realizes he was completely stupid (or not? I prefer that he realizes he was wrong AGAIN). The Veil coming down might be a necessity, but the how is important. Let's take it as a given that the Veil comes down by the end of this game, one way or another. As a setup for future games, whether 1) Solas tears down the Veil directly, 2) his actions have already made a softer transition impossible because other parties are able to take advantage, or 3) a slower and safer transition is begun you're going to have issues because there are bound to be hiccups and competing interests. The attitudes of these interests and different groups of people could have different starting points based on how the Veil came down. I just want there to be several different ends for him. I always like choices. If Bioware has further uses for him, we won't be able to completely kill him but we might think we did if was able to secrete a part of him elsewhere. - So, kill him (or think we did)
- Imprison him somehow, whether he realizes he was wrong or not
- You're not able to get to him at all
- He recognizes the errors of his ways and (chances of these vary depending on your choides and relationships prior to this point) you let him go and he:
- 'fades away', ie goes away to contemplate his actions in an isolated location
- wanders around trying to fix things similar to The Messenger in Awakening
- he works with you either on the periphery or more directly
- Something else
I think at this point I would like to see Solas have a character arc that shows him slowly recognizing he was wrong. Of course, the problem with this is that if he realizes he is wrong by the end before the final battle then who is the foe you fight for the final battle? If he recognizes it after the fight then maybe you can redeem him? I think it would be interesting for him to evolve into a true ally at the end. I always liked it in stories when someone had a character arc and became part of the group rather than remainging the bad guy or problematic outsider. I really enjoy character arcs where there is redemption and when a former enemy becomes a trusted friend having gone through a change of heart that is well written and makes sense. But I don't know if BW will do that or if they writers could pull it off within the confines of a game. Final battle, hmmm. Maybe the final battle doesn't have to be against a who so much as a what, as in the results of the Veil coming down. Stability vs. non-stability, rampant mayhem and carnage vs. more limited m & c (no way there won't be some). Some powerful entities might be released and some of them might be against you and you have to defeat them at the end before you can achieve any sort of stability. One could be, not an overriding big baddie, a supremely powerful entity that is really, really pissed. If Solas doesn't agree he was wrong, he could be one of those against you. Or he could fight directly with you or indirectly depending on how things have gone. I don't think I'm explaining this well, and I haven't fully thought it out, I hope you get the idea. This post is getting long enough already. I would say that would probably be a given as well and hopefully they can include stuff like that but given all the factors working against them I wouldn't also be too hopeful that too many of them will be relevant. In universe this will be several years after Inquisition and far to the North and in the real world we also will several years after Inquisition and this will likely be a lot of people's first DA game. Given these difficulties to the other main issue would be theme, you can specifically craft the narrative of DA D and the chooices you make to support the end outcome with Solas when the other games have their own things going on.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2022 9:23:45 GMT
I realise that much has happened since the Behind the Scenes video, so none of what we saw there could make it into the final game. However, there was that short sequence featuring Solas' VA when he says "They call me the Dread Wolf, what will they call you?" Since they decided to actually call the game DAD, and even the early teaser trailer was #the dreadwolf rises; I do wonder if that is a clue that actually it is not referring to Solas at all but the rise of your PC into a new "Dread Wolf". You see yourself at the hero of the people in opposing him but ultimately you may become more like him than you care to admit. So your choice about what to do with Solas could actually impact on how you are perceived by future generations, not to mention your companions in the present and it will not be as clear cut as people assume. May be in condemning him you are in fact pronouncing a similar sentence over your own actions or you will be the inadvertent cause of destruction that you did not foresee.
Alternatively, perhaps the only way to defeat him is to allow him to possess you and this will result in a similar confrontation to the one with the Envy demon; except this time it is with the Dread Wolf over who will have control. I definitely think at some point we are going to have to confront the Dread Wolf in the Fade in order to either destroy or subdue him. As he admits in Trespasser, the reason he didn't just try and pick off the Evanuris one by one, or even mass murder, is that he couldn't be sure they would remain dead. Something we know all too well from our own experiences in game. So stopping Solas by killing him is not going to be that simple even if we could get near enough and have the means to do so. As for, perhaps, tricking him as he did the Evanuris, well that won't be easy either. Remember Solas is good at chess, so we could find ourselves being the ones outsmarted when we think we have the upper hand.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 27, 2022 11:50:18 GMT
Gunter O'Dimm steps out of Luvian mirror, grabs Solas and takes him back with him.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 29, 2022 18:34:32 GMT
I'm curious. If the Inquisitor shows up as a cameo in DAD, I wonder if we could end up fighting them as part of resolving what to do with Solas. If the Inquisitor seeks to absolve Solas, or had been a romantic interest of his, then they could decide to have to make us fight them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 14:46:40 GMT
Only one of my Quizzies would even consider "redeeming" one of the world's greatest mass murderers. The rest, with varying degree of mirth/sadness would know that he must be stopped, and killing him should stop him mostly. Double-tap recommended, for safety. biggydx, damn if they did that I would be pissed. Two of my Quiz have romanced him, one would murder him in a heartbeat after Tresspasser. Making teh sexz does not actually remove brains.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 31, 2022 2:43:47 GMT
I'm curious. If the Inquisitor shows up as a cameo in DAD, I wonder if we could end up fighting them as part of resolving what to do with Solas. If the Inquisitor seeks to absolve Solas, or had been a romantic interest of his, then they could decide to have to make us fight them. Mmm, having the Inquisitor fight to protect Solas just cause the player chose to redeem/prove him wrong feels like it would result in a lot of bad feelings from people who feel their Inquisitor wouldn't do that. I'm pretty sure there are alot of people who chose redeem and/or romanced him whose Inquisitor would still kill him if they couldn't stop him otherwise, and wouldn't kill someone else for trying to stop him that way (not to mention romancers who selected kill) I think if we end up fighting the Inquisitor then it's more likely to be because they drank from the Well and are enacting Mythal's plans. Or because whatever faction or group we're a part of has something against the inquisition or doesn't trust them. Or the inquisition doesn't trust us/our allies.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2022 7:27:00 GMT
I think if we end up fighting the Inquisitor then it's more likely to be because they drank from the Well and are enacting Mythal's plans. This is a distinct possibility, although that means that the alternative will be fighting Morrigan. Either way we could end up facing a dragon under Solas' control, either Morrigan or one tamed by the Inquisitor. In fact, if whatever he absorbed of Mythal gives him the power over dragons that Yavana had, we could be facing a whole army a dragons, just as the Qun did when they were fighting Antiva in the Steel Age. Come to think of it, any Crow leader who knows their history might be hoping for a repeat performance if the Qun does invade their country this time round and, luckily for them, Solas so hates the Qun he might well be happy to oblige. Or because whatever faction or group we're a part of has something against the inquisition or doesn't trust them. Or the inquisition doesn't trust us/our allies. Well the organisation is either likely to be riddled with Solas' spies if we didn't disband or it will be evident that contrary to the apparent disband, the organisation carried on regardless, which will make anyone not familiar with the political machinations behind that decision immediately suspicious of their intent. Assuming our new hero is from the north, with no previous connection to the Inquisition, why should they necessarily trust them? We dealt with the threat of Corypheus but didn't lay down our arms as we claimed to do. If under the control of the Divine and our hero is not a devout Andrastrian, might they not be suspicious of what appears to be a political organisation working on her behalf? Obviously, groups like the Venatori and associates will continue to be opposed to the Inquisition but, according to Dorian, the Magisterium wanted it gone as well and if it continued on as the Divine's private army, the Black Divine would be against it too. If we were working with the Qun, something they were at pains to continue despite events of Trespasser, then that could create trust issues with the free people from Rivain and Seheron, not to mention Tevinter. I seem to recall that we were working in opposition to the Crows in some of our War Table missions as well. Plus the Grey Warden leadership may not be happy with our influence over the Wardens in the south, whether we banished them or kept them under our control. So there are plenty of reasons why our hero might feel themselves to be in opposition to the Inquisition and not willing to take their orders. This, of course, applies equally if we in fact end up feeling that Solas' scheme is the only way to save Thedas but no one else is convinced. I'm still waiting to see how exactly the narrative works where the powers that be are ignoring whatever threat we are working against (as suggested in the Behind the Scenes video). Is that threat actually going to be Solas or something else entirely?
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Post by duskwanderer on Jul 31, 2022 16:50:25 GMT
I agree with not only proving him wrong, but proving to Solas what an insane, genocidal racist he actually is. Stripping away all of the illusions behind his pretense, and making him admit the only reason he's doing his plan is because he doesn't view humans or dwarves as sentient. That he is okay with it because they aren't elves.
Then, as it all collapses around him, he realizes it was truly all his fault. He had the chance to make something better, use his power and wisdom to create spells that are useful. Refine knowledge to reach the true apex of civilization. But he was too deadset, too proud, to admit that wisdom could come from people he believed to be inferior.
And then, he is extinguished. He's too much of a danger.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2022 22:51:38 GMT
I agree with not only proving him wrong, but proving to Solas what an insane, genocidal racist he actually is. Stripping away all of the illusions behind his pretense, and making him admit the only reason he's doing his plan is because he doesn't view humans or dwarves as sentient. That he is okay with it because they aren't elves. Then, as it all collapses around him, he realizes it was truly all his fault. He had the chance to make something better, use his power and wisdom to create spells that are useful. Refine knowledge to reach the true apex of civilization. But he was too deadset, too proud, to admit that wisdom could come from people he believed to be inferior. And then, he is extinguished. He's too much of a danger. Or modern elves. Remember he and other ancient elves like Abelas don’t see any of the modern elves as “their people” and they too will die to restore the world to the way they ancient elves want it.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 2, 2022 2:02:29 GMT
I agree with not only proving him wrong, but proving to Solas what an insane, genocidal racist he actually is. Stripping away all of the illusions behind his pretense, and making him admit the only reason he's doing his plan is because he doesn't view humans or dwarves as sentient. That he is okay with it because they aren't elves. Then, as it all collapses around him, he realizes it was truly all his fault. He had the chance to make something better, use his power and wisdom to create spells that are useful. Refine knowledge to reach the true apex of civilization. But he was too deadset, too proud, to admit that wisdom could come from people he believed to be inferior. And then, he is extinguished. He's too much of a danger. Or modern elves. Remember he and other ancient elves like Abelas don’t see any of the modern elves as “their people” and they too will die to restore the world to the way they ancient elves want it. One of the major differences, though, is that modern elves follow him. He's already got his servants, and they aren't all ancient elves. I'll agree with you on elves that don't follow him, but there are those that do.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2022 6:32:28 GMT
Or modern elves. Remember he and other ancient elves like Abelas don’t see any of the modern elves as “their people” and they too will die to restore the world to the way they ancient elves want it. One of the major differences, though, is that modern elves follow him. He's already got his servants, and they aren't all ancient elves. I'll agree with you on elves that don't follow him, but there are those that do. Those who do are merely sacrificial pawns to Solas. He is a Trickster god after all. They will die like all the rest of his plans succeed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2022 7:43:06 GMT
One of the major differences, though, is that modern elves follow him. He's already got his servants, and they aren't all ancient elves. I'll agree with you on elves that don't follow him, but there are those that do. As Hanako says, he is using them in much the same way as he used the Inquisition, to further his own ends. Let's face it, he was the same in ancient times. I'm pretty sure that some of those voices in the Vir Dirthara were his followers who got caught up in the carnage that followed the Veil; otherwise how did they know he was responsible? The warning of the Evanuris about him was pretty much spot on: " Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison." Remember he had the reputation of a trickster in ancient times even before his rebellion, if Felassan's stories about him are to be believed. Solas changes his story to whatever he thinks will convince the listener. He does this three times when talking with the Inquisitor in Trespasser and, of course, has a completely different conversation with an Inquisitor he dislikes. From what I can tell from Tevinter Nights, he seems to have promised these modern elves a new elf utopia without mentioning how it will come about. To be honest though, the majority of elves in Thedas have such awful lives, perhaps they don't care so long as it can lead to a better world for the elves (any elves) in the future.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 2, 2022 23:46:43 GMT
One of the major differences, though, is that modern elves follow him. He's already got his servants, and they aren't all ancient elves. I'll agree with you on elves that don't follow him, but there are those that do. Those who do are merely sacrificial pawns to Solas. He is a Trickster god after all. They will die like all the rest of his plans succeed. Elves, at least the Dalish, would be more likely to distrust Solas because they know he's a trickster.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 2, 2022 23:50:43 GMT
One of the major differences, though, is that modern elves follow him. He's already got his servants, and they aren't all ancient elves. I'll agree with you on elves that don't follow him, but there are those that do. As Hanako says, he is using them in much the same way as he used the Inquisition, to further his own ends. Let's face it, he was the same in ancient times. I'm pretty sure that some of those voices in the Vir Dirthara were his followers who got caught up in the carnage that followed the Veil; otherwise how did they know he was responsible? The warning of the Evanuris about him was pretty much spot on: " Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison." Remember he had the reputation of a trickster in ancient times even before his rebellion, if Felassan's stories about him are to be believed. Solas changes his story to whatever he thinks will convince the listener. He does this three times when talking with the Inquisitor in Trespasser and, of course, has a completely different conversation with an Inquisitor he dislikes. From what I can tell from Tevinter Nights, he seems to have promised these modern elves a new elf utopia without mentioning how it will come about. To be honest though, the majority of elves in Thedas have such awful lives, perhaps they don't care so long as it can lead to a better world for the elves (any elves) in the future. A dupe is not someone I consider particularly impressive, and a dupe can be dangerous. But the fact that these elves are willing to engage in such stupidity does not make me look favorably upon them.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 2, 2022 23:59:35 GMT
Those who do are merely sacrificial pawns to Solas. He is a Trickster god after all. They will die like all the rest of his plans succeed. Elves, at least the Dalish, would be more likely to distrust Solas because they know he's a trickster. Hmmm, is that vallaslin I see?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 3, 2022 2:59:06 GMT
Elves, at least the Dalish, would be more likely to distrust Solas because they know he's a trickster. Hmmm, is that vallaslin I see? The modern elves who follow Solas may think he's just a regular elf whose using the name/persona "dread wolf" to intimate and conceal his real identity. A dalish elf might well think that the god of trickery and deception is a good name sake for an insurgency/rebellion of the elves.
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