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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 5, 2022 0:55:30 GMT
What kind of ending do you want to see for Solas in Dragon Age: Dreadwolf? What outcome would Satisfy you? Do you want to kill him? Do you want to make him see reason? Do you want to save him? Help him even?
Tell me your dream scenario for Solas in DAD or beyond. ___
My personal satisfying ending involves proving Solas wrong, and having him know it. Whether we kill him, imprison him, or otherwise stop him, it just won't be as satisfying if he doesn't know that he was wrong. In Trespasser i told him i was gonna prove he didn't need to destroy this world and i wanna make good on that.
I'd like him to know not only that his conclusion was wrong (morally and as a solution to whatever problem be thinks he's fixing) and there is another way, but also that he was wrong to make that decision for the world at all. Like the shear arrogance of thinking that deciding whether genociding and destroying the world is necessary is a choice that he and be alone gets to make, with input from the rest of the world having no value to add - it's staggering.
My nightmare scenario is being forced to fight with Solas as a party member against a greater threat without him being proved wrong. And to have him bemoaning how if he'd only killed our world sooner or if we hadn't interfered then this wouldn't have happened. ___
What about your guys?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 5, 2022 1:06:58 GMT
Now I think as a baseline even before discussing the ending I think some set up is neccessary to get there. Because if we are going to convince Solas he is wrong and have a battle for philosophical purposes then it needs to be set up by actions we take through the game. If we are going to redeem him then it should be because we prove it...otherwise we might have to fight him and defeat him.
But I suppose for my dream scenario I can see this going one of two ways:
1. Like the above scenario indicates we spend the entire game doing all we can to solve the sub plots of the game to those. We get to the end and Solas determines through our actions if we are worth saving or not and then we either convince him to back down...or not. Because well without a major maguffin of some sort I just don't see this ending in a victory of a fight, now obviously such a maguffin will be provided to give us a chance, but much like with the Shadows and the Vorlons the power levels are simply too disparate for us to come down to a contest of arms. It can still happen of course but the ultimate solution to this problem should be convincing him to abandon his plan, not killing him. And if we do have to kill him then maybe the game should make it clear that this is the bad ending where *something* happens.
2. Muuch like the Nightmare scenario for the OP Solas succeeds at least partially with his plan. Maybe one of the Evanuris is free from their tomb, maybe two of them, but we stop him from bringing the whole Veil down. Contrary to that above scenario though, because this is another plan that just blew up in his face, he realizes he has been a fool all along and offers to fight at your side to try and undo this. He would probably have to sacrifice himself against this evil to ensure Thedas still has a chance...but then the game hints at while they have managed to prevent the immediete appocylypse and while Thedas can focus on more terrirstrial threats that maybe we now know the Veil is more damaged so things will start leaking through which can set up DA 5.
Of course neither of these assumes the Veil comes down wholesale. I think this is still a very likely possibility but I do not know what Thedas would look like in the aftermath of such an event to even speculate.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2022 1:09:28 GMT
To me it's not about whether he will live or die, but if he will learn something. If Solas' final scene shows him still thinking the same way he does now, I'll be severely disappointed.
As for the ideal scenario, I guess that would be him building a new life in modern society but... nah. That's a little too good and sorta unrealistic. So the happy ending I imagine is him departing from this world to live in isolation somewhere else, with his Vhenan of course.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 5, 2022 1:12:03 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 5, 2022 1:18:46 GMT
Definitely agree on proving him wrong and show he doesn't need to destroy this world. I want him to have to bask in his failure for eternity. Which leads to the second part, which is sealing him in the same inescapable prison that he put the Evanuris in. After all by his logic anyone who murders Mythal, which now includes him, deserves an eternity of torment. I'm sure they'll all love to see him again.
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Post by grallon on Jun 5, 2022 1:19:43 GMT
Execution at the hand of the (shadow) Inquisitor OR self sacrifice to stop the Evanuris from escaping their confinement.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 5, 2022 5:44:14 GMT
Since given the game's title I can't have my favourite "ending" - Solas dies in the prologue and is replaced by something I'm not awfully tired of - I'll go with this:
His plan backfires, sabotaged by the protagonist, strengthening the Veil and causing magic to wane from those on his side who embraced his plan. He lives out his days as a completely mundane person fully knowing what he has done. Magic becomes harder to master but safer to practice and all the circle garbage ends.
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Post by Fredward on Jun 5, 2022 6:41:08 GMT
In terms of the character Solas being horribly wrong multiple times and genociding his own people and then working to genocide a bunch of other people out of hubris only to come to the crushing realization that he's a dumb monster is ~sublime~
In terms of the setting though I can't help but think we'd be in a much more interesting place for potential future games if the Veil dropped ie Solas might be correct to some degree about the necessity of Veil-dropping (probably has to do with the Blight). Obviously it won't happen entirely in line with Solas' vision since his facist ass would have only ye olde elves but the devs might be laying the groundwork for magical dwarves with the whole Titan awakening thing anyway.
It's not impossible to synthesize these two but, ultimately, I don't want Solas to die as a martyr who was right about everything. I also don't want him to die as a brainless pride monster if/when he realizes he was wrong and he gets really embarrassed and goes crazy cuz that feels like a copout. I also don't want him to retire as a self-loathing failure aware of his mistakes but he gets to peacefully raise chickens in a secluded hamlet where he eventually finds some modicum of contentment before his death of old age. I want Solas to die while being stabbed repeatedly, preferably by my Lavellan Inquisitor, with the full weight of his mistakes fresh in his mind.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 5, 2022 8:26:49 GMT
I've explained on the Dreadwolf thread my ideas for the relationship between Solas and the Dreadwolf. I am taking some of my clues from Tevinter Nights and Felassan but others from Trespasser, plus the tarot cards in DAI. I think the reason they have now merged the two words is that it is harder than ever for Solas to disassociate himself from his Fen'Harel identity. This was not what he was originally but what he became as part of the Evanuris. It is not going to be possible to defeat him by conventional means. The only way will be to discover his true identity and reconnect him with that part of himself, thereby defeating the Dreadwolf. Then it will be up to the player if they wish spare him or kill him.
I think there is also likely some other aspect to his plan being necessary than simply wanting his old world back. I suspect that imprisoning the Evanuris was also meant to contain the Blight, which they had been responsible for creating. If he had returned to the world and there was no Blight, I think he may have been able to accept the changes but that was not the case and I think he knows the world is doomed without dealing with the Blight. He is convinced the only way is to drop the Veil and allow the world to be cleansed with magic before starting again from scratch. However, if we can find a different solution then that may at least give him pause for thought (which is where we enter the Fade to confront the Dreadwolf or something like that). The Warden was said to be searching for a cure in the west but we never learned the results of that search. It is also possible that the Titans could be the key to combating the Blight and perhaps reconnecting the dwarves to them could assist with this.
The Qun and the Executors might also have some insights both with regard to defeating the Dreadwolf and combating the Blight.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 5, 2022 8:47:18 GMT
I really want the player to have a choice to help him or not. They've set the stakes pretty high, but I hope they walk it back a bit at the end of the game and it's not just "Solas will press a button and everyone dies". It would be a really interesting decision to make, especially as an elf PC.
As for opposing Solas, I hope he goes completely off the rails and kills the Inquisitor if you try to redeem him. Make it dark af lol
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 5, 2022 10:36:24 GMT
Not really a fan of proving him wrong as i don't think there's a wrong as he is trying to restore world to its natural state. He already knows the collateral damage will be huge so it not as if you can make a humanitarian pitch. If i was playing an Elf i'd ideally want to be able to free the elven gods(Evanuris) and have them deal with him.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 5, 2022 11:11:10 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Jun 5, 2022 11:27:44 GMT
Death.
How? If the Inquisitor is the main character, he/she rips off the elf's arm, then uses it to beat the clown to death. Cut off his ears, then stab him to death with the ears. Lure the dog with a piece of meat laced with poison. The dead dog dies a slow death.
What I believe might happen. At the beginning of the game, he does his hocus pocus crap that ends up backfiring leading to the release of the evanuris for the main character to deal with. Near the end of the game, the elf makes one last effort. Like before, it backfires leading to Solas being banished.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 5, 2022 12:58:02 GMT
I will just repost what I've already said on this subject. bsn.boards.net/post/1400152Take AC: Odyssey, for example. I absolutely LOVED how, if you played your cards just right...if you made all the right moves...in the end, you were able to save Deimos from themself. You quite literally talk them off the edge of a cliff. I managed to do this on my first playthrough, and it was one of the most satisfying moments in all my gaming memory. It was brilliant. I would love to have a similar option for Solas.
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Post by ellehaym on Jun 5, 2022 15:25:19 GMT
I'd say death or whatever comes close to a being like Solas.
Even if the Inquisitor and/or new protagonist manage to prove him wrong, Solas is immortal and who's to say hundreds of years from now he changes his mind because the future generations are not what he had hoped for?
Even if he does successfully restore the Elves to their former glory that doesn't mean there will all of a sudden be world peace. If he going to become some kind of dictator just to keep his version of how the world should be? Would other Ancient Elves agree with that and what about the Evanuris worshippers?
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Post by cribbian on Jun 5, 2022 17:19:58 GMT
I just want there to be several different ends for him.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 6, 2022 5:15:27 GMT
Given how they set up the ending to Trespasser (redeem or kill) and how the BW devs themselves are as split on Solas as the rest of the fandom, I've no doubt you'll have at least those two options. I expect that even if you redeem him, it'll end tragically anyway. He essentially says as much in Trespasser. We know at least two of the Evanuris will be freed (possibly due to the PC's interference) in DAD, and no doubt Solas would be at the top of their naughty list. I still think we'll see the Veil partially come down, but contained by the PC to a large-ish-sized region. So we can have this Fadelands playground to explore when we want, and not take a wrecking ball to the entire setting. There'll still be a lot we won't have a chance to explore in DAD.
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Post by roselavellan on Jun 6, 2022 5:39:10 GMT
Themes of redemption are not uncommon in games and movies these days, and with the choices available in Trespasser, I would at least want to be able to redeem Solas. I hope that, seeing as Solas in DAI was written to be a compassionate character, that both or all resolutions (including in choices to kill him) will be faithful to the character they had written in DAI.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jun 6, 2022 5:46:24 GMT
I'm thinking of Origins and wondering if the new devs have any attachment to that title whatsoever. Everything I've seen from Patrick Weekes onwards...it seems not.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 6, 2022 5:51:45 GMT
Given how they set up the ending to Trespasser (redeem or kill) and how the BW devs themselves are as split on Solas as the rest of the fandom, I've no doubt you'll have at least those two options. I expect that even if you redeem him, it'll end tragically anyway. He essentially says as much in Trespasser. We know at least two of the Evanuris will be freed (possibly due to the PC's interference) in DAD, and no doubt Solas would be at the top of their naughty list. I still think we'll see the Veil partially come down, but contained by the PC to a large-ish-sized region. So we can have this Fadelands playground to explore when we want, and not take a wrecking ball to the entire setting. There'll still be a lot we won't have a chance to explore in DAD. We know two will be freed??? Ok. What news did I miss now? lol
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 6, 2022 5:59:22 GMT
Given how they set up the ending to Trespasser (redeem or kill) and how the BW devs themselves are as split on Solas as the rest of the fandom, I've no doubt you'll have at least those two options. I expect that even if you redeem him, it'll end tragically anyway. He essentially says as much in Trespasser. We know at least two of the Evanuris will be freed (possibly due to the PC's interference) in DAD, and no doubt Solas would be at the top of their naughty list. I still think we'll see the Veil partially come down, but contained by the PC to a large-ish-sized region. So we can have this Fadelands playground to explore when we want, and not take a wrecking ball to the entire setting. There'll still be a lot we won't have a chance to explore in DAD. We know two will be freed??? Ok. What news did I miss now? lol The mural they showed a while back shows the two we know of (the two upside-down figures). The one voguing in this pic is either Andruil (because of the "sun-hot spear") or Ghilan'nain.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 6, 2022 6:02:43 GMT
Given how they set up the ending to Trespasser (redeem or kill) and how the BW devs themselves are as split on Solas as the rest of the fandom, I've no doubt you'll have at least those two options. I expect that even if you redeem him, it'll end tragically anyway. He essentially says as much in Trespasser. We know at least two of the Evanuris will be freed (possibly due to the PC's interference) in DAD, and no doubt Solas would be at the top of their naughty list. I still think we'll see the Veil partially come down, but contained by the PC to a large-ish-sized region. So we can have this Fadelands playground to explore when we want, and not take a wrecking ball to the entire setting. There'll still be a lot we won't have a chance to explore in DAD. We know two will be freed??? Ok. What news did I miss now? lol People theorise that 2 gods will get out because of this image from the 2020 teaser: And that bioware book with the subtitle about gods turning their eyes toward Thedas or whatever it was. We don't actually know for sure.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 6, 2022 7:39:47 GMT
The mural they showed a while back shows the two we know of (the two upside-down figures). People theorise that 2 gods will get out because of this image from the 2020 teaser: I'm wary about taking too much from this trailer now. Much has changed since then, even the logo for the game. Then there is the commitment to the single-player game. Remember the 2018 trailer was connected with the first incarnation of the game (Joplin?), which then changed to Morrison. There was a lot of concern by those of us who don't do multi-player what that might mean, particularly as they were said to be using the Anthem codes on the game. Then, some months subsequent to this 2020 trailer, they announced the commitment to the single player game. I still question why they referred us back to the 2018 trailer concerning Solas' presence in the game, without mentioning 2020. They don't say it was the first hint, just their hint that he would be returning. Why not continue with a further reference to the most recent trailer in 2020 in which he appeared and was listed among the enemies we will face? Couple that with the numerous shots of Antiva and the Crows in that trailer and associated art, I do wonder if that trailer was showcasing areas we were originally meant to be visiting and factions we would be working with in multi-player. That said, since I am sure there is a link between the Old Gods and the ancient elves, it wouldn't be a total surprise if the last two Old Gods aren't going to be involved in some way, either opposing or aiding the Dreadwolf.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 6, 2022 8:32:50 GMT
I still think we'll see the Veil partially come down, but contained by the PC to a large-ish-sized region. So we can have this Fadelands playground to explore when we want, and not take a wrecking ball to the entire setting. There'll still be a lot we won't have a chance to explore in DAD. I wish so much that something completely different happens than solas suspected. And the dev get more leeway.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 6, 2022 8:45:38 GMT
I would like the following scenarios for solas (I need the inquisitor to show up): 1. good option 2. bad option 3. You are to late (veil coming down, but it isn't what anyone expected) Kill or redeem him. 4. you decide to hunt him down. (you kill him) 5. you decide to hunt him down. (you to late/veil coming down, but it isn't what anyone expected)Solas death from somebody else. That would be a nice way to ask what is important and what can I leave out due to time constraints.
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