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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 29, 2021 22:45:32 GMT
Finished Season 4 Liked: - the Ilus story was really well done imo - more Thomas Jane always good - Burn Gorman as Murty was a great casting choice - the alien ruins looked awesome Disliked: - the whole Bobbie and Avasarala side plots; neither character had anything going on during this part of the books, but evidently the showrunners felt like they had to invent wholecloth some new side-plots for these two rather than just having them sit this season out... and the result wasn't great, imo Bobbie's arc came from a novella "Gods of Risk" which was set roughly during this time in the series. AH ok, didn't know that, I've only read Strange Dogs and the Churn of the novellas. And now a couple episodes into Season 5 I see that its related to the Laconia/Duarte stuff with the stolen equipment from Mars, so I'm glad its actually going somewhere. Still don't understand the point of the Avasarala election nonsense, it seems like its just an excuse to have her on the show (I understand she's a fan favorite) even though her story isn't actually going anywhere or affecting anything
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Post by dazk on Dec 30, 2021 0:21:25 GMT
Bobbie's arc came from a novella "Gods of Risk" which was set roughly during this time in the series. AH ok, didn't know that, I've only read Strange Dogs and the Churn of the novellas. And now a couple episodes into Season 5 I see that its related to the Laconia/Duarte stuff with the stolen equipment from Mars, so I'm glad its actually going somewhere. Still don't understand the point of the Avasarala election nonsense, it seems like its just an excuse to have her on the show (I understand she's a fan favorite) even though her story isn't actually going anywhere or affecting anything The Avasarala stuff is going somewhere you just got to tag along for the moment.
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 30, 2021 1:24:39 GMT
AH ok, didn't know that, I've only read Strange Dogs and the Churn of the novellas. And now a couple episodes into Season 5 I see that its related to the Laconia/Duarte stuff with the stolen equipment from Mars, so I'm glad its actually going somewhere. Still don't understand the point of the Avasarala election nonsense, it seems like its just an excuse to have her on the show (I understand she's a fan favorite) even though her story isn't actually going anywhere or affecting anything The Avasarala stuff is going somewhere you just got to tag along for the moment. Here's hoping, I need some sort of payoff for all those boring election scenes. And boy you weren't lying about Bull; it seems like the entire point of his character in Season 5 is to be a dick. Literally every line he has, he's either insulting someone or complaining about something or somehow being an asshole in one way or another. Like, every single one. I really don't understand why they would bring him back after writing him out of season 4, just to be a useless wanker in every scene that he's in. Otoh, Marco seems really well-cast from what I've seen so far. I haven't loved all of the casting decisions (Tilly Fagan, Clarissa and Jules-Pierre Mao, Dr. Cortazar, Anderson Dawes) but they seem to have nailed most of the major ones (the Roci crew, Miller, Fred Johnson, Avasarala, Bobbie, Marco Inaros, Julie Mao, Prax)
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Post by dazk on Dec 30, 2021 2:38:15 GMT
The Avasarala stuff is going somewhere you just got to tag along for the moment. Here's hoping, I need some sort of payoff for all those boring election scenes. And boy you weren't lying about Bull; it seems like the entire point of his character in Season 5 is to be a dick. Literally every line he has, he's either insulting someone or complaining about something or somehow being an asshole in one way or another. Like, every single one. I really don't understand why they would bring him back after writing him out of season 4, just to be a useless wanker in every scene that he's in. Otoh, Marco seems really well-cast from what I've seen so far. I haven't loved all of the casting decisions (Tilly Fagan, Clarissa and Jules-Pierre Mao, Dr. Cortazar, Anderson Dawes) but they seem to have nailed most of the major ones (the Roci crew, Miller, Fred Johnson, Avasarala, Bobbie, Marco Inaros, Julie Mao, Prax) I thought Clarissa was really good TBH, she definitely gets better as the show/books go on. I actually find Marco a bit over cooked with his acting. I also made the mistake of watching him and Ty Frank being interviewed by Wes Chatham/Amos on some podcast and man Keon Alexander was just really full of himself!!!!! He was getting all deep and meaningful about Marcos's character and his motivations especially re Marcos's relationship with Fillip and completely getting it wrong. He was trying to get Ty Frank to agree with him and Ty was like I like your thoughts but that's not necessarily my thoughts on how/what we wrote.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 30, 2021 5:23:50 GMT
Here's hoping, I need some sort of payoff for all those boring election scenes. And boy you weren't lying about Bull; it seems like the entire point of his character in Season 5 is to be a dick. Literally every line he has, he's either insulting someone or complaining about something or somehow being an asshole in one way or another. Like, every single one. I really don't understand why they would bring him back after writing him out of season 4, just to be a useless wanker in every scene that he's in. Otoh, Marco seems really well-cast from what I've seen so far. I haven't loved all of the casting decisions (Tilly Fagan, Clarissa and Jules-Pierre Mao, Dr. Cortazar, Anderson Dawes) but they seem to have nailed most of the major ones (the Roci crew, Miller, Fred Johnson, Avasarala, Bobbie, Marco Inaros, Julie Mao, Prax) I thought Clarissa was really good TBH, she definitely gets better as the show/books go on. I always imagined Clarissa as being smaller and more frail-looking in the books. But Nadine Nicole certainly does well with the role.
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 30, 2021 21:12:10 GMT
Here's hoping, I need some sort of payoff for all those boring election scenes. And boy you weren't lying about Bull; it seems like the entire point of his character in Season 5 is to be a dick. Literally every line he has, he's either insulting someone or complaining about something or somehow being an asshole in one way or another. Like, every single one. I really don't understand why they would bring him back after writing him out of season 4, just to be a useless wanker in every scene that he's in. Otoh, Marco seems really well-cast from what I've seen so far. I haven't loved all of the casting decisions (Tilly Fagan, Clarissa and Jules-Pierre Mao, Dr. Cortazar, Anderson Dawes) but they seem to have nailed most of the major ones (the Roci crew, Miller, Fred Johnson, Avasarala, Bobbie, Marco Inaros, Julie Mao, Prax) I thought Clarissa was really good TBH, she definitely gets better as the show/books go on. I actually find Marco a bit over cooked with his acting. I also made the mistake of watching him and Ty Frank being interviewed by Wes Chatham/Amos on some podcast and man Keon Alexander was just really full of himself!!!!! He was getting all deep and meaningful about Marcos's character and his motivations especially re Marcos's relationship with Fillip and completely getting it wrong. He was trying to get Ty Frank to agree with him and Ty was like I like your thoughts but that's not necessarily my thoughts on how/what we wrote. yeah I'm seeing that now as I get deeper into Season 5, he definitely goes a little bit overboard. I also don't love the "Belter accent" they've come up with for the show in general, sometimes it just sounds like they're trying to talk with a mouthful of potatoes or something I'm also not sure about making it Filip's decision to kidnap Naomi, since that was sort of the main premise of this entire plotline, i.e. Marcos's vanity and need to possess and control Naomi (+ his hatred/jealousy of Holden) but we'll see how it plays out I guess
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 30, 2021 21:15:34 GMT
I thought Clarissa was really good TBH, she definitely gets better as the show/books go on. I always imagined Clarissa as being smaller and more frail-looking in the books. But Nadine Nicole certainly does well with the role. I sort of hated the flashback scenes involving Clarissa and Julie and Jules-Pierre, but that may have been the writing more than the actresses fault because she seems fine so far in Season 5 (also the whole thing about Clarissa's adrenal implants in the show allowing her to fly around and do Matrix moves really annoyed me, because it didn't make any fucking sense)
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 31, 2021 12:11:30 GMT
I always imagined Clarissa as being smaller and more frail-looking in the books. But Nadine Nicole certainly does well with the role. I sort of hated the flashback scenes involving Clarissa and Julie and Jules-Pierre, but that may have been the writing more than the actresses fault because she seems fine so far in Season 5 (also the whole thing about Clarissa's adrenal implants in the show allowing her to fly around and do Matrix moves really annoyed me, because it didn't make any fucking sense) To be honest though, the implants were stretching belief quite a bit in the books already. At least in my mind, when I read the books, iti did seem like she suddenly had superhuman strength and reflexes. You might be able to push a body somewhat beyond it's limits by releasing artificial hormones (and probably neurotransmitters) from implants but I don't think it's very likely you'd be able to use any of it at all effectively without some very extensive training (which IIRC she never had).
In the show, as far as I can see, she can't "fly", she can just jump very long distances and can move very fast. To me at least, it didn't seem that exxagorated from the descriptions in the book and IMO both require a certain extent of suspension of disbelief.
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 31, 2021 15:14:13 GMT
I sort of hated the flashback scenes involving Clarissa and Julie and Jules-Pierre, but that may have been the writing more than the actresses fault because she seems fine so far in Season 5 (also the whole thing about Clarissa's adrenal implants in the show allowing her to fly around and do Matrix moves really annoyed me, because it didn't make any fucking sense) To be honest though, the implants were stretching belief quite a bit in the books already. At least in my mind, when I read the books, iti did seem like she suddenly had superhuman strength and reflexes. You might be able to push a body somewhat beyond it's limits by releasing artificial hormones (and probably neurotransmitters) from implants but I don't think it's very likely you'd be able to use any of it at all effectively without some very extensive training (which IIRC she never had).
In the show, as far as I can see, she can't "fly", she can just jump very long distances and can move very fast. To me at least, it didn't seem that exxagorated from the descriptions in the book and IMO both require a certain extent of suspension of disbelief.
Yeah, she definitely flies and does Matrix moves in the TV show (like in the scene where she attacks Tilly). In the books they gave her superhuman strength and reflexes, but not the ability to violate the laws of gravity. I guess it looks better in an action scene, but at the expense of making sense.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 31, 2021 15:41:54 GMT
To be honest though, the implants were stretching belief quite a bit in the books already. At least in my mind, when I read the books, iti did seem like she suddenly had superhuman strength and reflexes. You might be able to push a body somewhat beyond it's limits by releasing artificial hormones (and probably neurotransmitters) from implants but I don't think it's very likely you'd be able to use any of it at all effectively without some very extensive training (which IIRC she never had).
In the show, as far as I can see, she can't "fly", she can just jump very long distances and can move very fast. To me at least, it didn't seem that exxagorated from the descriptions in the book and IMO both require a certain extent of suspension of disbelief.
Yeah, she definitely flies and does Matrix moves in the TV show (like in the scene where she attacks Tilly). In the books they gave her superhuman strength and reflexes, but not the ability to violate the laws of gravity. I guess it looks better in an action scene, but at the expense of making sense. I could be wrong, it’s been awhile since I watched those particular scenes, but I thought that was her taking advantage of the zero g and turning off her mag boots?
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 31, 2021 16:23:38 GMT
To be honest though, the implants were stretching belief quite a bit in the books already. At least in my mind, when I read the books, iti did seem like she suddenly had superhuman strength and reflexes. You might be able to push a body somewhat beyond it's limits by releasing artificial hormones (and probably neurotransmitters) from implants but I don't think it's very likely you'd be able to use any of it at all effectively without some very extensive training (which IIRC she never had).
In the show, as far as I can see, she can't "fly", she can just jump very long distances and can move very fast. To me at least, it didn't seem that exxagorated from the descriptions in the book and IMO both require a certain extent of suspension of disbelief.
Yeah, she definitely flies and does Matrix moves in the TV show (like in the scene where she attacks Tilly). In the books they gave her superhuman strength and reflexes, but not the ability to violate the laws of gravity. I guess it looks better in an action scene, but at the expense of making sense. Not sure what you are talking about? I went through those scenes again because I couldn't remember this at all despite re-watching the series just last month. Turns out, we don't even see her attack Tilly at all. In 3.10, we only see her activate the implants, then the scene ominously cuts away to Holden and the Sphere. In 3.11, we only see her wake from the delta-v change check on Tilly (not thoroughly enough as it turns out) and walk away.
Also those (and most of the other) scenes are in zero-g. So even she would "fly", that would be perfectly fine. The only one I remember when she uses the implant in gravity is when she attacks Ren, which was done very well IMO) and then in s5 on Earth (where she si certainly very fast and strong but not that much more than the book described, I think).
So yea, I don't see it.
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Post by hoku on Dec 31, 2021 18:26:49 GMT
6.04 was much less thrilling than expected and came across a pure setup episode. highlights: Clarisa's "killing regrets" talk with Holden Monica's video and straight talk with Avasarala Drummer's Inaros coward/traitor speech, the high cost of the "raid" and the gruesome cutting arm, out of necessity and love by Michu or whatever her name is.
lowlights: Amos "just" walking away from Holden after talking with him about the torpedo deactivation.
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 31, 2021 23:47:36 GMT
Yeah, she definitely flies and does Matrix moves in the TV show (like in the scene where she attacks Tilly). In the books they gave her superhuman strength and reflexes, but not the ability to violate the laws of gravity. I guess it looks better in an action scene, but at the expense of making sense. I could be wrong, it’s been awhile since I watched those particular scenes, but I thought that was her taking advantage of the zero g and turning off her mag boots? I'd have to rewatch it to be sure, I can't find it on Youtube under "Clarissa Mao expanse fight" or "Clarissa Mao expanse mods" so I'd have to go find the episode and scene on Prime. But iirc she does the same sort of Matrix shenanigans in her earlier fight scene as well. I suppose part of the ambiguity is as I mentioned earlier, that the show isn't as strict about sticking to and being explicit about when a ship or station is under thrust, spin gravity, or if they're in null-g and people are just using mag boots... so it could be as you say. But either way, the end result is it looks like she's flying, which struck me as cartoonish and excessive since, as Andromedary already pointed out, even the unembellished version in the books was already pushing it a bit anyways. (and once again, don't get the wrong impression here- I like the show, I'm not saying that these little quirks or possible flaws make the show bad or dumb or anything like that, its just hard for me not to be critical about this sort of stuff given that I just finished a series re-read and am now watching the TV adaptation for the first time and so I'm sort of hypersensitive to changes they made in the adaptation that strike me as dubious)
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Post by TopTrog on Jan 1, 2022 14:36:06 GMT
I just finished episodes 3 and 4 of S6. Most of the notable events of those have already been posted here - for me some spot-on character moments and the battle sequence in ep. 3 stood out. Overall excellent stuff. I also really liked that they brought back some characters from earlier spisodes such as Prax, Anna Volovodov and Sandrine Kirino. The small X-Ray bonus scenes were also really nicely done. So I am very much looking forward to how the season concludes.
That being said, I am still seriously wondering what they are intending with the Strange Dogs stuff - even more now after watching episode 4. I am of course talking about the introduction of Duarte - which they completely and utterly nailed, the scene was awesome. So I guess all I need now is pointer to whom I can adress the message to shut up, take my money and get working on the next season.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jan 1, 2022 22:04:32 GMT
Episode 4 was slow, yes, but had lots of good moments. Great speeches and nice quiet moments. I can't tell if the blonde chick at Marco's side is attracted to him or just playing him very skillfully. They have an interesting dynamic in any case. She knows how to handle him. At this point she's the better leader imo. Very level headed while Marco has always been a complete narcissist who lashes out like a child to criticism.
Filip is flip flopping hard for me. One scene he seems to show empathy and some reflection, in the next he's full on revolution again. But that makes sense because if they lose, all the people he helped kill died for nothing indeed. And I think that notion is unbearable to him. So he has to go down with this ship. He can't be the bad guy.
I still wanna know how a creature can bring back any lifeform hours after death. If the brother gets resurrected that's crazy space magic and should be the biggest revelation in the show! And then the show will just end. Great...
The man the little girl talks to is somebody important then? Can't be important to the TV show with only 2 episodes left. Eh. Great conversation though!
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 2, 2022 13:41:24 GMT
Episode 4 was slow, yes, but had lots of good moments. Great speeches and nice quiet moments. I can't tell if the blonde chick at Marco's side is attracted to him or just playing him very skillfully. They have an interesting dynamic in any case. She knows how to handle him. At this point she's the better leader imo. Very level headed while Marco has always been a complete narcissist who lashes out like a child to criticism.
Filip is flip flopping hard for me. One scene he seems to show empathy and some reflection, in the next he's full on revolution again. But that makes sense because if they lose, all the people he helped kill died for nothing indeed. And I think that notion is unbearable to him. So he has to go down with this ship. He can't be the bad guy.
I still wanna know how a creature can bring back any lifeform hours after death. If the brother gets resurrected that's crazy space magic and should be the biggest revelation in the show! And then the show will just end. Great...
The man the little girl talks to is somebody important then? Can't be important to the TV show with only 2 episodes left. Eh. Great conversation though! I can't find Ep 6.04......When do they air? Isn't it on Fridays?
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Post by TopTrog on Jan 2, 2022 16:40:53 GMT
Episode 4 was slow, yes, but had lots of good moments. Great speeches and nice quiet moments. I can't tell if the blonde chick at Marco's side is attracted to him or just playing him very skillfully. They have an interesting dynamic in any case. She knows how to handle him. At this point she's the better leader imo. Very level headed while Marco has always been a complete narcissist who lashes out like a child to criticism.
Filip is flip flopping hard for me. One scene he seems to show empathy and some reflection, in the next he's full on revolution again. But that makes sense because if they lose, all the people he helped kill died for nothing indeed. And I think that notion is unbearable to him. So he has to go down with this ship. He can't be the bad guy.
I still wanna know how a creature can bring back any lifeform hours after death. If the brother gets resurrected that's crazy space magic and should be the biggest revelation in the show! And then the show will just end. Great...
The man the little girl talks to is somebody important then? Can't be important to the TV show with only 2 episodes left. Eh. Great conversation though! I had very similar impressions. I had found Filip to be mainly annoying so far (similar to my impression from the books), but I liked the more reflective small scenes they gave him in E4. It will be interesting to see how they resolve it in the remaining episodes. Rosenfeld (Marcos XO) had a somewhat different role and was male in the books, but a similar dyamic of levelheadedness vs. narcissism was present. I think that translated quite well to the screen. As for Duarte - he is one of the main players in books 7-9. Essentially the whole arc of the last three books originates from his actions, and the stakes become much higher than anything that came before.
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Post by dazk on Jan 2, 2022 23:48:54 GMT
Episode 4 was slow, yes, but had lots of good moments. Great speeches and nice quiet moments. I can't tell if the blonde chick at Marco's side is attracted to him or just playing him very skillfully. They have an interesting dynamic in any case. She knows how to handle him. At this point she's the better leader imo. Very level headed while Marco has always been a complete narcissist who lashes out like a child to criticism.
Filip is flip flopping hard for me. One scene he seems to show empathy and some reflection, in the next he's full on revolution again. But that makes sense because if they lose, all the people he helped kill died for nothing indeed. And I think that notion is unbearable to him. So he has to go down with this ship. He can't be the bad guy.
I still wanna know how a creature can bring back any lifeform hours after death. If the brother gets resurrected that's crazy space magic and should be the biggest revelation in the show! And then the show will just end. Great...
The man the little girl talks to is somebody important then? Can't be important to the TV show with only 2 episodes left. Eh. Great conversation though! I had very similar impressions. I had found Filip to be mainly annoying so far (similar to my impression from the books), but I liked the more reflective small scenes they gave him in E4. It will be interesting to see how they resolve it in the remaining episodes. Rosenfeld (Marcos XO) had a somewhat different role and was male in the books, but a similar dyamic of levelheadedness vs. narcissism was present. I think that translated quite well to the screen. As for Duarte - he is one of the main players in books 7-9. Essentially the whole arc of the last three books originates from his actions, and the stakes become much higher than anything that came before.
It took me a while to realise it was Winston Duarte as I did not picture him like that at all. Same with Rosenfeld the change to him being her threw me completely.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 4, 2022 19:06:34 GMT
Finished 6.04. A very slow episode but that's fine since they are setting up for the big finish in the next 2 I think. Some thoughts on what has been discussed above (and other stuff): Duarte: Certainly doesn't look like I imagined him. I had a clean shaven rather lean face in mind. I do think they did give him a fairly subtle hint of those acne scars that they keep referring to in the books. The way the "Strange Dogs" story is developing, I am getting more and more sure, we'll get an announcement about an adaptation of books 7-9 shortly after the season is over. Filip: I think they are getting his portrayal in the show very close to what it was in the books. He is basically torn apart from the moment Naomi put doubts into his head. I am very curious what show-viewers will think of the end of his arc (provided it'll be the same as it was in the books). I thought it was fitting but it certainly isn't very satisfying, so brace yourselves. Marco: I agree that the actor is overdoing it a little but on the other hand, it kinda fits with this very narcissist character. The thing is, Inaros - the character itself, not the actor - is always playing a role in every scene he is in. Now that the fortune of war will start to turn against him, this should become very clear (it certainly did in the books). Still loving how they keep throwing in Naomi working on the issue with the rings. Also, in that scene, loved how we hear the engines turn on in the background and her snatching the coffee cup up as it starts falling. Physics! It was nice to hear Alex's music from season 2 again and Bobbie and Amos sort of singing along even though they didn't really know the lyrics. Great little scene. That's all I can think of, that stood out to me right now. Let's prepare for the grand finale.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 4, 2022 21:35:20 GMT
Nice little video on my favorite space battle from the books:
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Post by dazk on Jan 5, 2022 1:02:01 GMT
Nice little video on my favorite space battle from the books: Thanks for sharing this AnDromedary I'd forgotten not that Bobbie orchestrated the success of the fight but the detail of it. Good commentary on the fight.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 6, 2022 22:11:15 GMT
So I finished Season 5. Hard to remember my thoughts on the earlier parts of the season because of the big change in the season finale. That really sucks that they chose to kill Alex. Sort of ruins the hopes of a reasonably faithful adaptation to the Laconian arc to the end of the series, unless they decide to retcon Alex's death and recast.
But I understand why they did it (i.e. the sexual assault allegations against Cas Anvar). So I don't blame them. Just a shitty situation all around.
Otherwise I thought Season 5 was solid. The Free Navy plotline is probably my least favorite of the 3 major arcs in the books, but that's not the shows fault.
The only other minor complaint I can think of is that I don't understand why they turned the repair drones ("strange dogs") into aliens/animals. Doesn't really make any sense, and I was pretty found of those weird little buggers.
Interested to see how season 6 goes since they're including some of the Laconia stuff, even though with only one season left they obviously won't have anywhere near enough time to actually adapt the Laconia plotline. So I'm curious to see where/how they bring the show's story to a conclusion, given that the show is going to have to conclude with 2-3 books left of story unadapted.
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Post by hoku on Jan 7, 2022 10:06:11 GMT
Warning, my thoughts on 6.05 Awesome episode, so many good scenes, so sad it's ending. Bobbie and Amos at the bargood talk loved that Amos "invitation" ended ambiguously too. (Still ship them though ) Bobbie and AvasaralaJust love how the straight talk to each other, finally some guards came down. Avasarala and Drummer= YEAH FINALLY! the scene would have had much more of an impact without being used in the promo as stated Avasarala's "here i am" arm folding out - what a grand entrance good talk between them too. "Drummers family"so sad, but happy for them staying, Michio at his side recovering and doing good things Holden/Avasarala talkwas rather unspectacular, straight to the point, frank and direct though. Especially because it's about the greater arc and books 7-9 Liked how she's called him out. Marco InarosInaros Senior kinda being manipulated by Rosenfeld Guiolang and not just about Filipp. Not sure he's so full of himself or sees trough it. Filipp basically doing a 180 after finding out the truth about the dock bombings being an belter inside job is gonna be interesting for sure. Strange DogsWonder if it's that was the last we get to see from Laconia (for now or ever).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2022 23:07:10 GMT
Warning, my thoughts on 6.05 Awesome episode, so many good scenes, so sad it's ending. Bobbie and Amos at the bargood talk loved that Amos "invitation" ended ambiguously too. (Still ship them though ) I hope not.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 9, 2022 3:56:13 GMT
Just watched the aftershow thing for episode five. Shohreh Aghdashloo: "No one gave me a tip or anything, I don't know what's going on but I say this is not the end." Well, apparently, she predicted "five seasons minimum" before they started shooting on season 1, so fingers crossed.
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