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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 12, 2022 3:50:13 GMT
Watching the first ep of S6. Jim's answer to getting things to work his way. *hammer like a madman* Nice that they change the montage for the intro credits. Reminds me of B5 that also did it differently for every season except that it's a completely different intro each time; different music and montage for what the entire season was about. Edit. So I'm exasperated by the obtuse military brains and OP. In times of war, placed in a place and time frame like the Expanse, technology is advance. Did no one hear of probes? You know, scouting for intel regards intended target of attack, place, etc etc. The Earth and Martian forces know how wily Marco is, why are the Martians just walking in and presume to take Marilla Station as if it's a cakewalk? I just well, when the Martian taskforce were all destroyed. I too when the Donnager was destroyed. What's the biggest weakness of the Martians? Overweening confidence.
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Post by hoku on Jan 14, 2022 15:59:42 GMT
Maybe more later. I'm still a bag of emotions. Thank you to all creative people behind and in front of the camera. What an EPIC series! Good finale, very satisfying conclusion to the sol system stories and characters (for now or ever) So many good scenes! It will be a joy to re-watch in the future and now also read all the books.
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Post by dazk on Jan 15, 2022 0:44:44 GMT
Wow thoroughly enjoyed the last episode, my only problem was that it and the whole of season 6 seemed so rushed what it could have been with another four episodes. In the books Marco's demise is so dramatic and the suspense is really built up it just seemed a bit poorly done in the final episode, a bit the same with the attack on the Rail Guns. I think the Laconian Stuff and Drummer being installed as The President of The Transport Union at the end gives whoever or however it is picked up the opportunity to either skip the time jump altogether or at least shorten it so there is not so much of an issue with the current actors continuing in their roles. Seriously contemplating watching from season 1 again.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 15, 2022 2:48:08 GMT
Finished it now, too. All in all, I think it was really well done. Book 6 is probably the most blurry in my memory but IIRC, they adapted everything pretty well. Not sure I agree that many more episodes would have been better. One more might have been nice but more might have just dragged things out. I really wonder when they'll announce their plans for books 7-9 though. Come on, it just has to come in some form and at some point. My guess is we might hear something in the summer. I also watched the X-Ray vignettes. They are nice, though some of them are certainly better than others. Drummer's was pretty good and Amos/Bobie's was my favorite. Clarissa's was ok, Avasarala's didn't really have anything happening though and while Holden's was a fun idea, I thought it felt a little cheap (also because they used that small bar set on Ceres a little too often at this point). All in all, the series remains my favorite of all time. 11/10 detective hats. Can't be put another way.
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Post by dazk on Jan 15, 2022 8:06:58 GMT
All in all, the series remains my favorite of all time. 11/10 detective hats. Can't be put another way. Well said.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 15, 2022 13:44:50 GMT
I just started 6.06.....and while I am continuing to enjoy the series thoroughly, this season I must admit I am confused by the role of the little girl living on the Ring planet. And what's with those weird animals? What's her role in all this, how does she fit into the big picture?
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Post by hoku on Jan 15, 2022 16:34:47 GMT
I just started 6.06.....and while I am continuing to enjoy the series thoroughly, this season I must admit I am confused by the role of the little girl living on the Ring planet. And what's with those weird animals? What's her role in all this, how does she fit into the big picture?
Without spoilering: all those things you mention play into the final books 7-9
Vague spoilers It's basically a teaser/set up for the final 3 books, while also being a continuation of the sol system fraction conflict, proto-molecule, ring stories.
I only know the broad strokes of books 7-9, so if you want more details the wiki, the books itself or those who read them are better equipped to handle your questions.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 15, 2022 16:38:57 GMT
Watching the first ep of S6. Jim's answer to getting things to work his way. *hammer like a madman* Nice that they change the montage for the intro credits. Reminds me of B5 that also did it differently for every season except that it's a completely different intro each time; different music and montage for what the entire season was about. Edit. So I'm exasperated by the obtuse military brains and OP. In times of war, placed in a place and time frame like the Expanse, technology is advance. Did no one hear of probes? You know, scouting for intel regards intended target of attack, place, etc etc. The Earth and Martian forces know how wily Marco is, why are the Martians just walking in and presume to take Marilla Station as if it's a cakewalk? I just well, when the Martian taskforce were all destroyed. I too when the Donnager was destroyed. What's the biggest weakness of the Martians? Overweening confidence. I agree, the biggest logical flaw in The Expanse in general (not only the fights) is that they don't seem to have unmanned operations for anything. Technically, there shouldn't be a need to even have people on a ship like the Canterbury (except maybe an engineer or two at most). Their ice hauling operation seems like something we could automate even today and given the long distances, travel times and that the main reason why they don't even accelerate the ships faster is the limitation of the human body, it would seem much more logical to use unmanned - either automated or remote controlled - ships for pretty much everything. But well, if they did that, we wouldn't have any drama, so I guess there is little way around it. You are right though, in the fights in particualr, it seems very odd not to use unmanned probes or drones. I just started 6.06.....and while I am continuing to enjoy the series thoroughly, this season I must admit I am confused by the role of the little girl living on the Ring planet. And what's with those weird animals? What's her role in all this, how does she fit into the big picture? Yea, that story is a bit disconnected from the rest but it is why I am so convinced that they will do something with books 7-9 because it basically sets up the arc of those books.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 15, 2022 16:41:08 GMT
I just started 6.06.....and while I am continuing to enjoy the series thoroughly, this season I must admit I am confused by the role of the little girl living on the Ring planet. And what's with those weird animals? What's her role in all this, how does she fit into the big picture? The answer is setup for the story arc of the last three books, which will hopefully come to screen.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 15, 2022 17:54:18 GMT
Well, I just finished 6.06....and I have to say I really enjoyed it. As much or more so than BSG. Such a good series though it does have its plot holes..which I am hoping get resolved in a surprise new season because there are still a lot of unanswered questions (and honestly, I just can't get enough of My Favourite Martian....Or Peaches) I even like "Auntie Ran" (Shoreh Aghdashloo), always liked her. Even nearing 70, I think she is a beautiful woman. So many good actors/actresses in that series it would be a shame not to explore those characters more.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 15, 2022 23:59:41 GMT
Finished the last ep of S6. Good ending. I saw what's coming with Flip; I didn't read the books btw. It was predictable. *applause* at Marco's death. I've no idea what's Duarte doing but I guess he's in control or an observer of the project at I forgot the name of the colony. The protomolecue metamorphosis is different. I'm guessing Duarte has a hand in it though does he truly control it if so?
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Post by dazk on Jan 16, 2022 0:09:01 GMT
Finished the last ep of S6. Good ending. I saw what's coming with Flip; I didn't read the books btw. It was predictable. *applause* at Marco's death. I've no idea what's Duarte doing but I guess he's in control or an observer of the project at I forgot the name of the colony. The protomolecue metamorphosis is different. I'm guessing Duarte has a hand in it though does he truly control it if so? Did you want answers to the Duarte/Laconia questions, cause they will be massive spoilers for books 7, 8, 9 unless you do not plan on reading them?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 16, 2022 9:36:32 GMT
Finished the last ep of S6. Good ending. I saw what's coming with Flip; I didn't read the books btw. It was predictable. *applause* at Marco's death. I've no idea what's Duarte doing but I guess he's in control or an observer of the project at I forgot the name of the colony. The protomolecue metamorphosis is different. I'm guessing Duarte has a hand in it though does he truly control it if so? Did you want answers to the Duarte/Laconia questions, cause they will be massive spoilers for books 7, 8, 9 unless you do not plan on reading them? Yeah, hit me with the spoilers. I don't think I'm reading the books.
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Post by dazk on Jan 16, 2022 10:14:01 GMT
Did you want answers to the Duarte/Laconia questions, cause they will be massive spoilers for books 7, 8, 9 unless you do not plan on reading them? Yeah, hit me with the spoilers. I don't think I'm reading the books. OK so first remember there is a 30 year time jump and in that time Duarte and Cortez (the proto-molecule scientist who is basically crazy) uses Xan and Cara as test samples and Duarte gets injected with proto Molecule making him start to think and see like the proto-molecule aliens and because he wants to live for 100's of years. They build planet destroying Star Ships to take control of Medina Station and the gates and to make Earth and Mars submit but Holden and the crew of the Roci with the help of the Transport union rebel via differing means due to there circumstances. Eventually Duarte goes crazy and Holden saves the galaxy. That is a really abbreviated version of 3 books and thousands of pages.
It is far more convoluted than that and I wholly recommend reading the books, Duarte's daughter plays a big part as does the scientist Evi Okono (SP?) and there are some glorious moments for Bobbie and Amos (with regards to the dogs) and Peaches throughout the books.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 16, 2022 13:12:05 GMT
So the books have a far better conclusion than the series, I am guessing/hoping.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 16, 2022 15:03:28 GMT
So the books have a far better conclusion than the series, I am guessing/hoping. The end of book 9 is definitive. I didn't have any open questions left after that one. I thought their conclusion and the answers they gave were pretty much perfect and made it into a great story from start to finish (which IMO is really difficult to do in a scifi series with such esoteric things like the protomolecule builders and their enemies). So yea, it has a conclusion for sure.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 17, 2022 0:00:21 GMT
So the books have a far better conclusion than the series, I am guessing/hoping. I haven't finished season 6 so I don't know what the "ending" there is, but it has to be more of a "finale" than a "conclusion" since there are 3 more books to go, including the actual ending... which is certainly a definitive conclusion, in that it brings the story to a definite and conclusive end (and personally, I was pretty satisfied with the ending, but YMMV). So this was always going to be sort of a "to be continued" situation rather than a genuine ending with the TV show, since they clearly want to leave open the possibility of adapting the final 3 books, and there was no way to have a genuine ending or conclusion without dealing with any of that material.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 6:35:20 GMT
Last two eps: "Oh James, you're truly one of a kind." Got an actual lol. Burst out.
Amos gave a helluva "fuck it" in the last ep.
...and that's that. I liked it, despite all the dangling plot-lines left.
Hope there's more, if not I'll probably pick up the books one day. My excuse for not reading them just officially ended. We'll see though. Kinda weird but I don't stray far from fantasy in what I read, and if there is more I still want to wait for that to be done before delving into the books.
The season as a whole was good with a big but. That but is the little-girl/zombie/Laconia plot. That to me is them very very obviously teeing up something. Movies, a new series, something. So, if they go through with that, great. But if they don't and it's just dropped, then that detracts a lot from my overall view of the season.
The ending to me wasn't the ending of the story, rather the ending of these main protagonists, Holden and crew. I don't pay much attention to the info that's out there cause I've already had a tonne of spoilers and am trying to avoid more, but I wouldn't be surprised if something was announced either shortly, or already.
Edit: Oh yeah, Amos and Bobby's assault on the cannon was Mass Effect as fuck. Good times. Got some ME3 ending vibes there. (In the good way with the great missions rather than the choices.)
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 10, 2022 20:33:53 GMT
This popped up in my youtube suggestions. A bit of speculation, mixed with rumors and hearsay. No idea who this dude is but according to (quote) "his source" in MGM (which he says is close to Amazon), they already have storyboards for a movie trilogy for the final 3 books. He is skeptical whether or not this will be made because of the show's medicore popularity though. But I am not sure it was actually that unpopular on Amazon. Yes, it was not profitable on SyFy but from what the producers (and some of the actors) have said in Wes Chatham's and Ty Franck's after-episode youtube shows for season 6, it had way better ratings on Amazon and how exactly do you even measure profitability on Amazon Prime? What you want is draw people into the service, so all you can go by for an estimate as to how much impact the show on it's own has in that regard is to look at viewer numbers (and again, they apparently weren't bad on that service). So I am still very hopeful we'll see this. I think a straight to Prime movie trilogy would work really well for the last 3 books, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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Post by hoku on Feb 10, 2022 22:50:20 GMT
James SA Corey aka Ty Frank and Daniel Abraham are the Expanse creators. AFAIK they and Alcon Entertainment owns all the Expanse IP.
So unless that changes, MGM would only be a partner of some kind, like Legendary Entertainment was or maybe still is. No idea what Amazon's role was. (Helped pay the production costs vs airing episodes on it's service with limited additional stuff (few tshirts and all)?).
Amazon announced in 2020 or 2021 that they want to acquire MGM including all it's IP (including for example James Bond) and assets. AFAIK that still hasn't happened completely.
the Expanse wasn't profitable for SyFy because they pretty much didn't get any other rights on it commercially or otherwise (streaming, reruns and all), just basically air the episodes upon release, get money for the ads that the can show in the add breaks with it and that's it.
I don't expect any the Expanse related live action TV/Movie(s) news in the near future.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 11, 2022 0:31:02 GMT
James SA Corey aka Ty Frank and Daniel Abraham are the Expanse creators. AFAIK they and Alcon Entertainment owns all the Expanse IP. So unless that changes, MGM would only be a partner of some kind, like Legendary Entertainment was or maybe still is. No idea what Amazon's role was. (Helped pay the production costs vs airing episodes on it's service with limited additional stuff (few tshirts and all)?). Amazon announced in 2020 or 2021 that they want to acquire MGM including all it's IP (including for example James Bond) and assets. AFAIK that still hasn't happened completely. the Expanse wasn't profitable for SyFy because they pretty much didn't get any other rights on it commercially or otherwise (streaming, reruns and all), just basically air the episodes upon release, get money for the ads that the can show in the add breaks with it and that's it. I don't expect any the Expanse related live action TV/Movie(s) news in the near future. Yes, the way I understand it, Alcon owns the rights to the show (which is how the entire thing could transition from SyFy to Amazon, like it did). However, Alcon can't do anything by themselves. SyFy funded them to create season 1-3, then they stopped funding at which point Amazon stepped in and funded them to create seasons 4-6. Similarly, they will need someone to fund any future project (whether that be movies or new seasons). That could be Amazon or someone else. Though Amazon would probably be the most likely candidate.
The dude from the video claims to have "a source" in MGM. Because Amazon is currently is in negotiations to buy MGM, the two companies have a lot to do with each other which is how this source claims to have come across the info about the existing storyboards for possible movies
That's it. So even of all of that is true, it does not mean that they have the money or the means or even the definitive intention to go down this route. It would just mean that someone went to the trouble of making storyboards for possible movies. I could imagine they are negotiating for budgets at this point or something like that. But again, it's all just rumors and hearsay. But hey, it's not like we have anything better to do than to speculate.
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Post by dazk on Feb 11, 2022 0:46:48 GMT
This popped up in my youtube suggestions. A bit of speculation, mixed with rumors and hearsay. No idea who this dude is but according to (quote) "his source" in MGM (which he says is close to Amazon), they already have storyboards for a movie trilogy for the final 3 books. He is skeptical whether or not this will be made because of the show's medicore popularity though. But I am not sure it was actually that unpopular on Amazon. Yes, it was not profitable on SyFy but from what the producers (and some of the actors) have said in Wes Chatham's and Ty Franck's after-episode youtube shows for season 6, it had way better ratings on Amazon and how exactly do you even measure profitability on Amazon Prime? What you want is draw people into the service, so all you can go by for an estimate as to how much impact the show on it's own has in that regard is to look at viewer numbers (and again, they apparently weren't bad on that service). So I am still very hopeful we'll see this. I think a straight to Prime movie trilogy would work really well for the last 3 books, so I'll keep my fingers crossed. I am hopeful too but then again I was hopeful for Firefly continuing. This still remains one of my all time favourite Sci Fi images: If Amazon and Bezos are still in someway involved I am a bit more optimistic. A grab from The Expanse Wikipedia: "Ratings
Among digital original series in the U.S., The Expanse during the season 6 premiere, was 28.9 times more in-demand than the average series. This placed it 9th in popularity for the 4th-10th of December of 2021.[7] When it comes to demand on Amazon prime video, The Expanse ranked 3rd in the Top 10 in the US and was the number 2 show on that list.[8] For the Season 6 fianle premiere week, The Expanse was 30.6 times more in-demand than the average series. This placed it 8th in popularity for the 8th-14th of January of 2022.[9]"Expanse stats for what they are worth: tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/the-expanse-amazon-prime-video
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 11, 2022 1:12:28 GMT
A grab from The Expanse Wikipedia: "Ratings
Among digital original series in the U.S., The Expanse during the season 6 premiere, was 28.9 times more in-demand than the average series. This placed it 9th in popularity for the 4th-10th of December of 2021.[7] When it comes to demand on Amazon prime video, The Expanse ranked 3rd in the Top 10 in the US and was the number 2 show on that list.[8] For the Season 6 fianle premiere week, The Expanse was 30.6 times more in-demand than the average series. This placed it 8th in popularity for the 8th-14th of January of 2022.[9]"Expanse stats for what they are worth: tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/the-expanse-amazon-prime-videoThat doesn't sound too bad to me, especially for a scifi show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 1:25:45 GMT
Because Amazon is currently is in negotiations to buy MGM Didn't Amazon already acquire it for 8.45 Billion last year? *** Hey I have an idea, if the TV series can't continue they could always write some novels instead.
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Post by dazk on Feb 11, 2022 1:31:33 GMT
Because Amazon is currently is in negotiations to buy MGM Hey I have an idea, if the TV series can't continue they could always write some novels instead.
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