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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2017 15:24:47 GMT
After telling both my male partners Isabella's history from the comic book, neither seem to be able to get over the "throwing all those slaves overboard" to save her skin part. :/
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Post by JayKay on Jan 6, 2017 16:05:58 GMT
After telling both my male partners Isabella's history from the comic book, neither seem to be able to get over the "throwing all those slaves overboard" to save her skin part. :/ If I remember, that was done very early on in her career, so she wasn't as strong or self-assured as she is in present. Also remember that part of why Isabela was getting the Tome of Koslun for Castilion in the first place was because she found out she was smuggling slaves and freed them. I would imagine that despite the remorseless air she has about her, letting those slaves drown is something that haunts her, which is why she got to where she is in the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 6, 2017 17:19:44 GMT
After telling both my male partners Isabella's history from the comic book, neither seem to be able to get over the "throwing all those slaves overboard" to save her skin part. :/ Mass murder tends to not be something that most people just forgive and forget. Why should they 'get over' that?
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Post by JayKay on Jan 7, 2017 7:55:56 GMT
Also, to consider, it's not like she's the only companion that has egregious sins like that in her past. Fenris slaughtered the group of fog warriors who took him in and helped him out when Danarius found him again. Sten killed a family in the hunt for his sword. Velanna was killing shems along the road for something they didn't even do. Zevran was an assassin, Leliana was a competent assassin who sang songs to cover it up. Need I even get into Blackwall? Or Solas?
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Post by Catilina on Jan 7, 2017 9:19:37 GMT
Also, to consider, it's not like she's the only companion that has egregious sins like that in her past. Fenris slaughtered the group of fog warriors who took him in and helped him out when Danarius found him again. Sten killed a family in the hunt for his sword. Velanna was killing shems along the road for something they didn't even do. Zevran was an assassin, Leliana was a competent assassin who sang songs to cover it up. Need I even get into Blackwall? Or Solas?Ugh! that guilty monsters! You shouldn't remind me, I got terrible headache!
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Post by JayKay on Jan 7, 2017 9:32:16 GMT
Oh, that's just the plaidweave that we put the likes of Solas and Blackwall in when we get tired of their lies.
...Or is that just me? Well, carry on, then.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 10, 2017 4:39:46 GMT
Huh, I don't remember her critiquing my Hawke's performance, but that is definitely part of her thing. In banter with Bethany, she'll say that "men are good for two things, women are good for six." And there's the line, "Ugh. Men. You have to work twice as hard to earn half the respect." I couldn't remember the exact lines off the top of my head, so I looked them up and here they are if you're curious. This is after the fade-to-black, when Bela's adjusting her clothes. Male Hawke version:Isabela: I should go. That was an... interesting diversion. Purple Hawke: Is that all I am to you? Oh, my wounded heart. Isabela: (laughs) We were using each other, sweet thing. I was curious about you, and now my curiosity is... sated. (and then the Feelings speech and talking about her past) Female Hawke version:Isabela: That was... (laughs) Thank you. I should go. I wouldn't want to take advantage of your... hospitality. Purple Hawke: I like it when you take advantage of my hospitality. Isabela: It was fun, wasn't it? Well, you know, if you ever want to do it again... (and then the Feelings speech and talking about her past) I love Nick Boulton, too! At 18:18, he confesses that Isabela is his favorite romance.
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Post by olnorton on Jan 16, 2017 0:45:39 GMT
Huh, I don't remember her critiquing my Hawke's performance She criticized my male warden in DOA. After joining her on her boat, I asked for a dueling lesson, and she said "well I know your quick enough"
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Post by Sifr on Jan 17, 2017 3:30:59 GMT
Also, to consider, it's not like she's the only companion that has egregious sins like that in her past. Fenris slaughtered the group of fog warriors who took him in and helped him out when Danarius found him again. Sten killed a family in the hunt for his sword. Velanna was killing shems along the road for something they didn't even do. Zevran was an assassin, Leliana was a competent assassin who sang songs to cover it up. Need I even get into Blackwall? Or Solas?Nor is she the only person who's sins aren't entirely limited to the past. Leliana falls back into her old bad (or should that be bard) habits once she becomes Left Hand of the Divine, Isabela returns to the raiders and the life of piracy following DA2, Sten can return to the Qunari with his honour intact, but ends up assuming the position of the new Arishok. Zevran can spends the next decade assassinating other assassins, if he survives DAO, despite those Antivan Crows potentially being just as trapped in that life as he was. Sera returns to her work as a Red Jenny following Inquisition, never questioning if the victims of her vigilante justice actually "deserved it". What if you had one bad day and in a moment of anger, lashed out at your cook? Tough... you get arrows.And we all know what Solas intends to do following Trespasser.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 20, 2017 6:51:14 GMT
After telling both my male partners Isabella's history from the comic book, neither seem to be able to get over the "throwing all those slaves overboard" to save her skin part. :/ That's a damn shame that they put that fictional character on that spotlight and it's like they are really demonizing a black character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 9:42:54 GMT
After telling both my male partners Isabella's history from the comic book, neither seem to be able to get over the "throwing all those slaves overboard" to save her skin part. :/ That's a damn shame that they put that fictional character on that spotlight and it's like they are really demonizing a black character. This is all of your posts to me..
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 20, 2017 21:21:15 GMT
That's a damn shame that they put that fictional character on that spotlight and it's like they are really demonizing a black character. This is all of your posts to me.. Look they intended to demonize and to degrade women of color and that's what I noticed about how BioWare writers how they have issues with black women.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 21:24:28 GMT
This is all of your posts to me.. Look they intended to demonize and to degrade women of color and that's what I noticed about how BioWare writers how they have issues with black women. That other post is still relevant here...
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Post by Catilina on Jan 20, 2017 21:48:28 GMT
Holy fuck, cloud9 ! Why just can't leave alone Isabela finally? Isabela not a black woman from our world. Isabela is a fictional character in Thedas. And no one except you demonize her! Stop sharing your fucking false SJW things here! I think, I already told you...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 22:13:53 GMT
Holy fuck, cloud9 ! Why just can't leave alone Isabela finally? Isabela not a black woman from our world. Isabela is a fictional character in Thedas. And no one except you demonize her! Stop sharing your fucking false SJW things here! I think, I already told you... cloud9 is full of this:
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 21, 2017 8:47:59 GMT
Holy fuck, cloud9 ! Why just can't leave alone Isabela finally? Isabela not a black woman from our world. Isabela is a fictional character in Thedas. And no one except you demonize her! Stop sharing your fucking false SJW things here! I think, I already told you...
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Post by Sifr on Jan 21, 2017 9:53:59 GMT
Look they intended to demonize and to degrade women of color and that's what I noticed about how BioWare writers how they have issues with black women. Dude, you really need to let go of the massive chip on your shoulder, because you're seriously reaching here. Next you'll claim the Moon is racist and self-hating, because it only embraces being black for two days out of a month, preferring to be white the rest of the time... On topic, Isabela states in the comic that she was forced to dump the slaves overboard, when she had expended every other available option given to her to attempt to lighten the ship, hoping they could find some way to outrun the Orlesian Navy. She did try everything she could to not to have to resort to ditching her human cargo, but eventually ran out of time and ideas. While it's definitely an awful thing to have done, she was stuck in an impossible situation. Isabela is clear that she was never involved in the slave trade, she had merely been following one of the few rules that the Felicisma Armada have, that if the client has the cash, you don't care what the cargo is. Her ship had been chartered to transport Devon and his cargo to it's destination... and that his cargo happened to be slaves, was an unfortunate detail she tried her best to ignore, despite the guilt. As she puts it, "We weren't a slave ship. We were just as ship... carrying slaves". If the Orlesian Navy had caught them, they would not have made the distinction. They would have hanged her and her entire crew for being accessories to the crime, despite their role being essentially that of a glorified Uber driver. Between consigning herself and her crew to a death sentence, or sacrificing slaves who would have suffered a fate worse than death in Tevinter... we can understand (although not condone) why she chose to save her own crew in that situation. Despite this, we know that her actions weighed heavily on her and the comic shows that her crew were livid at her. So to refute your insane ranting and victim complex, Isabela's race had nothing to do with character's choice in that situation. Take someone from elsewhere in Thedas and put them in that situation, they would have made the exact same one she did.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 25, 2017 17:30:51 GMT
Is it just me or does Isabela seem fractionally shorter than female Hawke? They probably just set it up that way so the kissing scenes don't look awkward, but I like that detail. My Hawke is leggy and svelte where Isabela is shorter and curvier.
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Post by phoray on Jan 25, 2017 20:16:35 GMT
After reading sifr comment AND making husband read the comic, he still says he won't romance Isabella. :/ Says her turning over a new leaf is all well and good, they'll be battle friends, but romance is off the table.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 25, 2017 20:58:05 GMT
After reading sifr comment AND making husband read the comic, he still says he won't romance Isabella. :/ Says her turning over a new leaf is all well and good, they'll be battle friends, but romance is off the table. Not everyone like her ... As Anders either for example, you know. This is just matter of taste. I like Isabela's character, much people can't accept her morality/habits etc. This isn't surprise. Probably Isabela is the second most controversial character. And this is why I like her. And someone can accept her as a friend/comrade, but not as a love.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 26, 2017 1:15:20 GMT
After reading sifr comment AND making husband read the comic, he still says he won't romance Isabella. :/ Says her turning over a new leaf is all well and good, they'll be battle friends, but romance is off the table. Welp, different strokes and all that. He may or may not have a change of heart. I didn't like Isabela at all at first - I was PO'd that she stole that thrice-damned book and lied about it for years! - but now she's one of my favorite characters in the franchise and I can't imagine DA2 without her. Unrelated, but this was on my mind today: how do y'all think Isabela would get along with DAI's crew? I picture lots of bitterness and mistrust with Bull that eventually mellows out if he abandons the Qun, I could see her having a good ol' time with Sera IF she brought the tome back and tried to make amends, an Aveline 2.0 situation with Cassandra, lots of telling Cole to mind his own business while she tries to conceal her smooshy heart, bonding with Dorian over having shitty parents who try to control your life...
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 27, 2017 8:52:14 GMT
Look they intended to demonize and to degrade women of color and that's what I noticed about how BioWare writers how they have issues with black women. Dude, you really need to let go of the massive chip on your shoulder, because you're seriously reaching here. Next you'll claim the Moon is racist and self-hating, because it only embraces being black for two days out of a month, preferring to be white the rest of the time... On topic, Isabela states in the comic that she was forced to dump the slaves overboard, when she had expended every other available option given to her to attempt to lighten the ship, hoping they could find some way to outrun the Orlesian Navy. She did try everything she could to not to have to resort to ditching her human cargo, but eventually ran out of time and ideas. While it's definitely an awful thing to have done, she was stuck in an impossible situation. Isabela is clear that she was never involved in the slave trade, she had merely been following one of the few rules that the Felicisma Armada have, that if the client has the cash, you don't care what the cargo is. Her ship had been chartered to transport Devon and his cargo to it's destination... and that his cargo happened to be slaves, was an unfortunate detail she tried her best to ignore, despite the guilt. As she puts it, "We weren't a slave ship. We were just as ship... carrying slaves". If the Orlesian Navy had caught them, they would not have made the distinction. They would have hanged her and her entire crew for being accessories to the crime, despite their role being essentially that of a glorified Uber driver. Between consigning herself and her crew to a death sentence, or sacrificing slaves who would have suffered a fate worse than death in Tevinter... we can understand (although not condone) why she chose to save her own crew in that situation. Despite this, we know that her actions weighed heavily on her and the comic shows that her crew were livid at her. So to refute your insane ranting and victim complex, Isabela's race had nothing to do with character's choice in that situation. Take someone from elsewhere in Thedas and put them in that situation, they would have made the exact same one she did. First of all the whole "forcing to dump slaves overboard to save herself" thing is very degrading that they intended to make her more of a bad person and it degrades the history of our slavery by having a woman of color killing slaves (as their way of making a mockery of our history by writing into the story) and on top of that she stole the relic and it caused the Qunari to wreak havoc on Kirkwall and in the end she shrugs it off like it is nothing happened. The writers are very malicious with Isabela's character development and it shows how racist that is.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 27, 2017 10:15:53 GMT
First of all the whole "forcing to dump slaves overboard to save herself" thing is very degrading that they intended to make her more of a bad person and it degrades the history of slavery by having a woman of color killing slaves and on top of that she stole the relic and it caused the Qunari to wreak havoc on Kirkwall. The writers are very malicious with Isabela's character development. As I pointed out, dumping the slaves was the last resort and she did to to save both herself and her crew. They'd have all been hanged for a crime that none of them had committed, but were only guilty by association. She didn't think her crew should have to face execution for following her orders... and while she was more culpable, she was following orders by agreeing to deliver Devon's cargo, no questions asked. Isabela killing slaves degrades the history of slavery? I take it that in your fantasy revisionist view of history, it conveniently leaves out the small detail that there have been countless examples of civilisations and nations engaging in slavery during antiquity, who happened to be people of colour? You also seem to have forgotten that the primary reason why Isabela stole the relic was to repay Castillon, since she'd freed a consignment of slaves she discovered being transported in her convey and costing him a fortune in the process. No-one could have foreseen that by freeing slaves and by trying to repay him with the Tome of Koslun, the Qunari would have followed her into a storm, gotten them both wrecked off the Wounded Coast, leading them to both to get stuck in the city looking for it, before the Arishok finally lost all patience and attacked the city. (Although where Kevin Bacon fits into that six degrees of separation is still unclear) It's true that Isabela stealing the Tome (again) did infuriate the Qunari, but as Aveline comments during that very mission, the speed in which they moved through the city and the coordination of the attack made it clear that they had to have been planning this for some time. The Arishok even states as early as Act 1 that the city "may demand certainty". I hardly think the writers were deliberate attempting to character assassinate Isabela. She's clearly shown to be remorseful of her actions and haunted by this bit of her past... and from a woman who considers thievery, smuggling and the odd bit of murder as her profession, her regret at killing those slaves does seem genuine.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 27, 2017 13:43:32 GMT
First of all the whole "forcing to dump slaves overboard to save herself" thing is very degrading that they intended to make her more of a bad person and it degrades the history of slavery by having a woman of color killing slaves and on top of that she stole the relic and it caused the Qunari to wreak havoc on Kirkwall. The writers are very malicious with Isabela's character development. [...] Whatever you say is unnecessary. He do not understand, or he's malicious. Leave him alone, he will disappear, you can not convince a fool or a provocateur.
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