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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 17, 2016 17:47:06 GMT
Is it possible to unlock this quest if the warden isn't friend of any of the characters in DAI?
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2016 17:51:00 GMT
Even if you kick Morrigan out of the party in Origins, she always shows up at the end to make the DR offer. I'm not sure what she says about a Warden she didn't like in DAI, but she'll still say she's curious, I'm sure, and give you the HOF war table mission regardless.
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Post by secretrare on Nov 17, 2016 21:16:44 GMT
I don't remember if i ever finished this quest,but surely Morrigan did not unlocked anything in my case.
Why my warden would have ever helped the Inquisition?They are not GW so i have no buisness with them.
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Post by melbella on Nov 20, 2016 18:58:59 GMT
I don't remember if i ever finished this quest,but surely Morrigan did not unlocked anything in my case. Why my warden would have ever helped the Inquisition?They are not GW so i have no buisness with them.
Well, the Inquisition is up against an ancient darkspawn, which kind of makes it Warden business.
You have to talk to Morrigan after Adamant in order for it to unlock. If Alistair is the Warden contact, talking to him will also unlock it, though that may happen only if the Warden romanced him.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 20, 2016 22:46:57 GMT
I don't remember if i ever finished this quest,but surely Morrigan did not unlocked anything in my case. Why my warden would have ever helped the Inquisition?They are not GW so i have no buisness with them.
Well, the Inquisition is up against an ancient darkspawn, which kind of makes it Warden business.
You have to talk to Morrigan after Adamant in order for it to unlock. If Alistair is the Warden contact, talking to him will also unlock it, though that may happen only if the Warden romanced him.
The wiky say that Corypheus is a ghoul not a darkspawn,the Orlesian warden commander does not help the Inquisition,who know why for the HoF is mandatory to do that.
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Post by melbella on Nov 21, 2016 0:41:20 GMT
That makes sense re: the Orlesian Warden since the three people who have ties to the HoF (Morrigan, Leliana, and Alistair) have no idea who that is.
Where the wiki gets its info on Cory being a ghoul, I have no idea, since all throughout DAI he is referred to as a darkspawn.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 21, 2016 15:06:24 GMT
That makes sense re: the Orlesian Warden since the three people who have ties to the HoF (Morrigan, Leliana, and Alistair) have no idea who that is. Where the wiki gets its info on Cory being a ghoul, I have no idea, since all throughout DAI he is referred to as a darkspawn. Same is for the HoF of DAO it is not mandatory to have ties with any of those three,they can be remeoved entirely while the Orlesia warden commander should have strong ties with Clarel and the wardens of Orlais unlike the HoF. Cory isn't a darkspawn because the word is used only to adress those who were born from broodmothers and Cory wasn't born as a darkspawn,if he is adressed as such in DAI is just because the game (more likely the voice actors)don't know all the lore,in fact they adressed the taint always as the blight in DAI when they aren't the same thing.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 22, 2016 14:28:30 GMT
I don't remember if i ever finished this quest,but surely Morrigan did not unlocked anything in my case. Why my warden would have ever helped the Inquisition?They are not GW so i have no buisness with them.
Well, the Inquisition is up against an ancient darkspawn, which kind of makes it Warden business.
You have to talk to Morrigan after Adamant in order for it to unlock. If Alistair is the Warden contact, talking to him will also unlock it, though that may happen only if the Warden romanced him.
I do know that talking to Leliana if she was the LI unlocks the quest too. And to the original question, I've had Morrigan mention that "We did not part on the best of terms" when she mentions contacting the HoF
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Post by Iakus on Nov 22, 2016 14:30:41 GMT
That makes sense re: the Orlesian Warden since the three people who have ties to the HoF (Morrigan, Leliana, and Alistair) have no idea who that is. Where the wiki gets its info on Cory being a ghoul, I have no idea, since all throughout DAI he is referred to as a darkspawn. Corypheus was originally human, like the ghouls were. It may be that the wiki is assuming that what happened to the magisters was simply a more intense version of being tainted by the Blight.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 22, 2016 20:13:56 GMT
Whoever wrote the Wiki has clearly not read the source books. In World of Thedas 1, the timeline refers to the Wardens discovering the intelligent DARKSPAWN Corypheus some 12 years after the death of Dumat. In World of Thedas 2 both the Architect and Corypheus are referred to as "intelligent darkspawn" and "ancient darkspawn" respectively. So clearly how Corypheus is referred to in DAI is correct in terms of the lore and how the writers intended him to be regarded. In fact as Leliana points out, essentially Corypheus (and the other Magisters who were with him) were the original darkspawn from which the others originated, unless of course you take the view that the darkspawn and the taint already existed prior to the trip to the Golden City, in which case they were merely carriers of the contagion into the world.
The essential difference between Corypheus, the Architect and other intelligent darkspawn and the rest of the darkspawn is that not only do they have intelligence but they seem immune to the call of the archdemon. In a way they are a different type of darkspawn from the regular mob and if the Architect is anything to go by, capable of transforming ordinary darkspawn into intelligent darkspawn. So from that point of view they are neither darkspawn, nor ghouls, but something completely different.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 22, 2016 20:38:52 GMT
Whoever wrote the Wiki has clearly not read the source books. In World of Thedas 1, the timeline refers to the Wardens discovering the intelligent DARKSPAWN Corypheus some 12 years after the death of Dumat. In World of Thedas 2 both the Architect and Corypheus are referred to as "intelligent darkspawn" and "ancient darkspawn" respectively. So clearly how Corypheus is referred to in DAI is correct in terms of the lore and how the writers intended him to be regarded. In fact as Leliana points out, essentially Corypheus (and the other Magisters who were with him) were the original darkspawn from which the others originated, unless of course you take the view that the darkspawn and the taint already existed prior to the trip to the Golden City, in which case they were merely carriers of the contagion into the world. The essential difference between Corypheus, the Architect and other intelligent darkspawn and the rest of the darkspawn is that not only do they have intelligence but they seem immune to the call of the archdemon. In a way they are a different type of darkspawn from the regular mob and if the Architect is anything to go by, capable of transforming ordinary darkspawn into intelligent darkspawn. So from that point of view they are neither darkspawn, nor ghouls, but something completely different. The source books are full of contradictions,the term ghoul is accurate for Corypheus because he wasn't born with the taint,ghoul is used for each being that was infected by the corruption but that wasn't born with it,that include Cory regardless of how of a special ghoul he is,he is still one of them,If the GW want to deal with Cory despite him not being their mandate because clearly he isn't an Archdemon then is their choice,but the Inquisition has no right whatsoever of asking resources from the warden of DAO,or the one of DAA.
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Post by phoray on Nov 22, 2016 20:45:49 GMT
I don't recall they were asking the HOF for resources. I thought we just sent a letter asking if they had info. The HOF can, of course, ignore the letter. Maybe for your character, they would have flipped off the crow and kept walking, sending no response. I think most people would answer a letter, though.
The belt was just stupid though. I'd rather have received nothing, the belt is never any good.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 22, 2016 22:07:55 GMT
The source books are full of contradictions,the term ghoul is accurate for Corypheus because he wasn't born with the taint,ghoul is used for each being that was infected by the corruption but that wasn't born with it. By that logic, a human who was turned into a werewolf isn't really a werewolf. Corypheus is a darkspawn, plain and simple. Arguing otherwise is splitting hairs.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 22, 2016 22:25:08 GMT
The source books are full of contradictions,the term ghoul is accurate for Corypheus because he wasn't born with the taint,ghoul is used for each being that was infected by the corruption but that wasn't born with it. By that logic, a human who was turned into a werewolf isn't really a werewolf. Corypheus is a darkspawn, plain and simple. Arguing otherwise is splitting hairs. A mortal who become a talking werewolf isn't an original werewolf(they don't talk and have no reason)Corypheus isn't a darkspawn.
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Post by Natashina on Nov 22, 2016 23:24:46 GMT
A ghoul is a type of Darkspawn. The rest is just semantics. Cory was just a particularly powerful darkspawn that somehow knew the Archdemon trick of body jumping.
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Post by phoray on Nov 22, 2016 23:38:18 GMT
A ghoul is a type of Darkspawn. The rest is just semantics. Cory was just a particularly powerful darkspawn that somehow knew the Archdemon trick of body jumping. My understanding is that one is BORN a darkspawn. From a brood mother. And a ghoul is a poor smuck that got tainted one way or another, like that dwarf in the deep roads (Ruck) and Tamlen. The Magisters fall into the ghoul category by my own understanding/definition, BUT...considering they have maintained a lot of their powers, knowledge, and even memories, and may have started it all, I'm going to just accept them as a special case of being Darkspawn.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 23, 2016 0:01:04 GMT
The Seven didn't just catch a Blight-borne disease from a darkspawn like most ghouls; they were transformed into the first darkspawn, and all other darkspawn are simply their progeny.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 23, 2016 0:08:13 GMT
A ghoul is a type of Darkspawn. The rest is just semantics. Cory was just a particularly powerful darkspawn that somehow knew the Archdemon trick of body jumping. He could do more than that, he could jump into a Grey Warden, which would result in an archdemon's death. Honestly, I'm not 100% certain ghoul or darkspawn are appropriate terms for Corypheus or, presumably, the other magisters who blackened the Golden City. They may well be an entirely different class of creature.
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Post by phoray on Nov 23, 2016 0:14:14 GMT
The Seven didn't just catch a Blight-borne disease from a darkspawn like most ghouls; they were transformed into the first darkspawn, and all other darkspawn are simply their progeny. Yes, this. Better way of putting my thoughts, thanks.
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Post by melbella on Nov 23, 2016 1:34:44 GMT
The Seven didn't just catch a Blight-borne disease from a darkspawn like most ghouls; they were transformed into the first darkspawn, and all other darkspawn are simply their progeny. In principle, I agree.
However, if we are splitting hairs, we don't actually know what tainted them (i.e. what they found in the Fade). We also don't know where the first blighted dwarves who attacked in the Deep Roads came from. Did the magisters somehow taint them in a hurry, or were they always there and simply released? The Deep Roads were overrun in fairly short order, so I find it hard to believe that the number of darkspawn started at 7 (the magisters) and the rest came directly from them. It seems just as likely that along with the taint, the Seven also released a horde of tainted creatures that already existed, and they just happened to be (former) dwarves.
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Post by akiza on Dec 3, 2016 2:13:45 GMT
Is it possible to unlock this quest if the warden isn't friend of any of the characters in DAI? Yes it has happened to me and the warden I had in DAO was not friend of any of the people in DAI. Having said that the HoF not being part of much of anything except through letters and such is kind of weird.. Like what if the third Batman film still tried to acknowledge Joker in a way.. Like he sent little notes to Batman, while he was off fighting Bane. That'd be lame as hell. It's better to just wash out the HoF from existence.... kind of like Ledger's Joker. It can't be done justice.
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