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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2019 19:30:51 GMT
The .50 Beowulf was designed for such use in checkpoints out of AR platforms and it's pretty compact... Problem is, the .50 Beowulf is way too small to carry proper explosive charges as they 14.5 and the 20mm do, and that's what you going to need to stop something like a fast approaching car. For example if you shoot three times through the windshield with a Beowulf its just gonna poke .50 holes into it and the driver may be very well able to continue approaching the checkpoint to suicide-bomb it to hell. Now if you hit the windshield just once the 20mm will explode in a rain of shrapnel and the chances of stopping the driver are dramatically higher. Also if you hit the non-essential parts of an engine block with a .50 Beowulf projectile not much is gonna happen, besides the guy driving to your checkpoint and blowing you up. Now if you hit a non-essential part of the engine with a bad hit with a 20x120 it still sends a shower of fragments everywhere in the engine compartment destroying everything in it, all hoses, cables, the fan, ignition, maybe even the steering. So yeah, if I have to stop something as a big as a car I need a big gun. You don't go hunting charging elephant bulls with a 5.56 either.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 26, 2019 22:52:20 GMT
I doubt you'd need *that* much accuracy for anti-material purposes, for like EOD teams disposing of explosives or for use against non-armored or lightly armored vehicles. Speaking of the later, by the looks of things, it would be good for use in checkpoints against car bombs and such. In checkpoints you don't need a portable compact rifle, if I am largely stationary protecting stuff I can go as big and heavy as I want, I wont be carrying around that rifle much. If I had to secure a checkpoint I'd go, besides a bunch of .50cal machineguns, with an Anzio 20x120mm, the 20x120 beats the .50 and 14mm by miles as it can carry a ton of explosives in the projectile which is vital when having to stop vehicles. AND as a nice bonus it is accurate out to 2000 meters easily. ( ) That's what I was thinking, wow.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2019 22:55:38 GMT
That's what I was thinking, wow. Yeah, her butt alone increases my firepower by a factor of 10. A total force multiplier.
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Post by Evil on Nov 26, 2019 23:13:30 GMT
I doubt you'd need *that* much accuracy for anti-material purposes, for like EOD teams disposing of explosives or for use against non-armored or lightly armored vehicles. Speaking of the later, by the looks of things, it would be good for use in checkpoints against car bombs and such. You're right. EDIT: About the accuracy bit I mean, not talking about the checkpoint stuff here. If pin point accuracy from absurd distances was a requirement for an effective anti-material rifle then the Barrett m82 wouldn't have been a success. That thing's shot to shot consistency is severely limited due to all the moving parts. Didn't stop the SAS from using 'em to take out Scud missiles in Iraq, and there's plenty of other groups that found it to be the right tool for the job too. Don't compare anti-material rifles to conventional rifles or precision rifles. Compare them to portable artillery such as mortars, grenade launchers, RPG's, etc. The squad covers you while you get close enough to use the big boom, you aren't trying to snipe with it. That gun in the video looks like its trying to be a decent anti-material rifle while also being somewhat passable for self defence and genuinely 1 man portable. If its performance is slightly inferior to that of the bigger, heavier Anti-material rifles but it's more practical to 1 man carry instead of having to make 2 guys lug the damn thing then that could be a worthwhile tradeoff. Being able to carry the Anti-material rifle instead of your assault rifle/carbine instead of having to carry a conventional rifle as well as the anti-material rifle would certainly help with that. Having an extra set of hands freed up to lug other useful gear is a big thing from a unit perspective.
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Post by Evil on Nov 26, 2019 23:38:35 GMT
If the guys who designed that thing do intend to have it issued instead of a conventional rifle as opposed to issued as well as a conventional rifle they're gonna have a problem with something I just remembered:
Using explosive ammo on human targets is a big no-no. Only time I know of that it was done was in WW2, and only by Russians and Germans against each other.
Relevant video discussing the matter:
An anti-material rifle without explosive ammo is... not the most useful of tools. Issuing a guy with 2 types of ammo is just begging for mixups. Carrying only explosive ammo would make it only a matter of time until somebody ends up using it on a human.
Problematic.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 27, 2019 0:03:19 GMT
There may or may not have been use of explosive or incendiary 14.5mm ammo against personnel by Chinese or North Korean PTRD/PTRS rifles in the korean war depending on what they had. Straight up anti-personnel use wouldn't have been its intended role however.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 27, 2019 0:23:58 GMT
I would not care too much about that law about explosive ammo, US military has been shooting up insurgents with all kinds of .50 caliber ammo in their M2HB and Barretts, and also 25mm HEI rounds from the Bradley, High Explosive 30mm from the Apache helicopter and the Warthog since early 2000's. There are videos where terrorists get ripped in half and torn to shreds by direct hits of those rounds, just look it up. And nobody really cares.
Not to mention all that happening in the gulf war, in the Afghan-Russia wars and heck, way back in Vietnam.
By the way, the US is also directly violating the law about expansive ammunition, US military uses BTHP's in their precision rifles. Yes, those do increase accuracy but they also do expand, even though it may not be their official reason for their introduction. I have a book where a US Army sniper describes how much the BTHP's increase stopping power.
168 BTHP in gel:
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 27, 2019 15:11:26 GMT
1911's anyone?
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 27, 2019 15:50:26 GMT
Ian used his personal ballester-molina for this mud test too.
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 27, 2019 16:59:28 GMT
Ian used his personal ballester-molina for this mud test too. Yeah I've seen in the comments people mentioning it took him so long to make a video about it. It has an interesting story that one, was pretty successful apparently in and outside country. I don't like century old guns myself, but the 1911 is that type of gun you'd think started production just last year. It looks so damn good even by today standards.
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Post by mattig89ch on Nov 27, 2019 23:09:22 GMT
oh, more 50 BMG stuff
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Post by mattig89ch on Nov 28, 2019 14:18:11 GMT
The .50 Beowulf was designed for such use in checkpoints out of AR platforms and it's pretty compact... reminded me of this video, I saw a while back.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 28, 2019 15:23:24 GMT
Speaking of .50 BMG and .50 cals, here's a case where California restrictions spurred ingenuity and gave us the .416 Barrett, a large caliber round that has more accuracy and range than the .50BMG. "Banning the .50 BMG inspired the creation of this BETTER rifle" Converted to the metric system, we're talking 12.7x99mm(.50BMG) and 10.6x83mm(.416)
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 28, 2019 19:14:33 GMT
Speaking of .50 BMG and .50 cals, here's a case where California restrictions spurred ingenuity and gave us the .416 Barrett, a large caliber round that has more accuracy and range than the .50BMG. Funny thing is, when .50BMG was banned here it gave birth to a very similar cartridge too, a slightly shortened .50BMG necked down to .40 caliber, named the .460 Steyr. Phenomenal range, accuracy and power, very little recoil. But then the government stepped in and banned it as well because that is what governments do. Ruin the fun for everyone just because. (Well, they were concerned about the possibility of having unhappy civilians shoot their fat lazy asses in their armored limousines with API rounds)
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 28, 2019 19:32:35 GMT
Here's another California workaround.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 29, 2019 15:13:57 GMT
Apparently there's such a thing as reduced recoil 00 buck 12 gauge shells for the recoil sensitive among us and ol' Paul tests their effectiveness vs regular 00 buck. I haven't shot a shotgun so I can't relate one way or another.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 29, 2019 21:23:17 GMT
Apparently there's such a thing as reduced recoil 00 buck 12 gauge shells for the recoil sensitive among us and ol' Paul tests their effectiveness vs regular 00 buck. I haven't shot a shotgun so I can't relate one way or another. Hm, unless you have a light girly physique or a shoulder issue I don't see the need for reduced shotgun rounds. In fact, I load INCREASED RECOIL 12 gauge ammunition myself, with increased powder charges and heavier payloads.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 30, 2019 12:18:34 GMT
Looks like there's a Vz. 58 variant chambered in 5.56, but it's much less common than its regular 7.62x39 brethren.
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Post by Inquisitor Recon on Dec 1, 2019 9:06:03 GMT
I figured some of you may find this interesting. Anthony G. Williams is an excellent resource for well-known and obscure military calibers going all the way up to 57mm or so. He's also a strong advocate of an intermediate caliber to replace both 5.56mm and 7.62mm NATO. Anyway his website is good for wasting many hours reading. quarryhs.co.uk/Personally I think we'd be better off with two new calibers to replace 5.56mm and 7.62mm NATO. Preferably using the sort of polymer cased telescoping ammunition tested during the LSAT and now NGSW programs. Although the greenies might kill that idea depending on how environmentally harmful that plastic is. I'll admit I'm not enough of an environmental expert to know if it's worse than metal or not.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 2, 2019 16:21:58 GMT
Hah something funny and totally unexpected just happened. The firearms laws in my country just underwent a major overhaul and restructuring to match the new general firearms directive for Europe. Now since Austria had generally more strict firearms laws than most of the countries in the European union the laws have now become more liberal as a result. Well, the new laws will go into effect mid December, and then it will be possible for us to get own all sorts of AK's, Dragunov's, AR-15, FN-FALs - you name it. (As long as they're limited to semi-auto of course) A few years ago that was utterly unthinkable. I'm saving money for an AK-47 now. Dis gonna be gud.
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Post by mattig89ch on Dec 3, 2019 4:26:39 GMT
Hah something funny and totally unexpected just happened. The firearms laws in my country just underwent a major overhaul and restructuring to match the new general firearms directive for Europe. Now since Austria had generally more strict firearms laws than most of the countries in the European union the laws have now become more liberal as a result. Well, the new laws will go into effect mid December, and then it will be possible for us to get own all sorts of AK's, Dragunov's, AR-15, FN-FALs - you name it. (As long as they're limited to semi-auto of course) A few years ago that was utterly unthinkable. I'm saving money for an AK-47 now. Dis gonna be gud. Woo! Congrats!
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 3, 2019 23:17:17 GMT
Extremely good video about the future of gun rights. Its a long video but boy, if you are involved with guns and like them in some way, please sit down and watch it all. Its very eye-opening.
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Post by Lavochkin on Dec 4, 2019 23:55:48 GMT
Beet, you've expressed interest in a Dragunov before, so how common is 7.62x54R in your neck of the woods? I reckon there must be some Mosin Nagants there but IDK.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 5, 2019 10:23:53 GMT
Beet, you've expressed interest in a Dragunov before, so how common is 7.62x54R in your neck of the woods? I reckon there must be some Mosin Nagants there but IDK. Very common, lots of Mosins here because of the war, and people generally like them. I used to have a scoped Mosin Nagant I made special match grade ammunition for, it shot 1 MOA groups if I did my part. Wonderful cartridge. Funny thing mentioning the Dragunov, last night I dreamed I got me a SVD Dragunov, but as I was shooting it for the first time I realized recoil was very little and the holes in the target kinda small. During further investigation I saw a ''.223 Rem.'' stamped into the side of the receiver and I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOO not 5.56 I WANTED A 7.62x54! Then I woke up all sweaty. True story.
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Post by mattig89ch on Dec 5, 2019 16:32:00 GMT
Oh! Speaking of AK's:
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