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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 18, 2020 17:08:09 GMT
Except it does follow human logic and make sense. Why exactly would Rose like a town full of war profiteers, or people who live a lavish lifestyle while abusing their workers? Why would Finn know about this town if he's only just now been a Storm Trooper? Rose's position and her and Finn's interaction is perfectly logical. You're basically complaining about the premise of her judgement, a premise you clearly understood (thus the movie did it's job in conveying the story), while complaining that the movie didn't expand that premise further to prove it. And then insult those of us who don't demand such an explanation, cuz OMG we're all such terrible movie watchers. It's simplified, like everything in Star Wars, but to the point. One can make a lot of money from a war. Not sure how "realistic" a depiction you require for this, but from this paragraph it sounds excessive. So, this attempts to assert a message based on one bit of dialog, but refuses to use the information provided from the previous scene's dialog in the shuttle, and then minimizes the statement that exactly follows because it inconveniently disputes that one being highlighted. Thus we get: OMG Star Wars hates rich people! What nonsense. No, the writer really doesn't need to explain a movie watcher's deduced inconsistencies in a science fantasy setting. Since we are now at the point where you are making up more inconsistencies for the lulz, I'll leave you to it. Is this just how you end conversations? Hurriedly set up a series of silly straw men, outright lies and complete evasions that ignore everything said during the entire discussion, and then try to play it cool like you're too smart to bicker with people? Alright, have it your way.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 18, 2020 18:30:27 GMT
You know the two don't have to be mutually exclusive... afterall the FO...or the other FO...were both secret organizations bent on galactic domination and they were trying to keep their activities hidden from the Senate until the time was right. They'd NEED gun runners. Besides I got the implication it wasn't just gun runners on Canto Bight...why I keep saying weapons manufacturers. Edit: as much as a political activist Kiri may or may not be there is nothing nefarious going on there...they made ice cream...read scripts...and Rian thought war profiteering would be a fascinating angle to cover...I agree with him.
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Post by cypherj on Feb 18, 2020 21:01:52 GMT
This is one of the reasons I just couldn't get into the Prequels after TPM. They really should have gotten an actual teen to play Padme in TPM. It was just creepy the way they did it. A teen would have also fit better with being naive and manipulated by Palpatine to get rid of the old chancellor.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 18, 2020 21:10:40 GMT
This is one of the reasons I just couldn't get into the Prequels after TPM. They really should have gotten an actual teen to play Padme in TPM. It was just creepy the way they did it. A teen would have also fit better with being naive and manipulated by Palpatine to get rid of the old chancellor. Well, to be fair, Natalie Portman was sixteen at the time TPM was filmed...
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Post by cypherj on Feb 18, 2020 21:17:58 GMT
This is one of the reasons I just couldn't get into the Prequels after TPM. They really should have gotten an actual teen to play Padme in TPM. It was just creepy the way they did it. A teen would have also fit better with being naive and manipulated by Palpatine to get rid of the old chancellor. Well, to be fair, Natalie Portman was sixteen at the time TPM was filmed... Was she? Maybe they needed a tween then lol. How old was Anakin's actor then, like 7 or 8? It just creeped me out.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 18, 2020 21:25:03 GMT
This is one of the reasons I just couldn't get into the Prequels after TPM. They really should have gotten an actual teen to play Padme in TPM. It was just creepy the way they did it. A teen would have also fit better with being naive and manipulated by Palpatine to get rid of the old chancellor. I agreed with this sentiment when the movies came out. It made the romance really weird, even though every little guy obviously dreams of an older girlfriend, and it was always a bit of a shock seeing Annie suddenly turn into Hayden Christensen in Attack of the Clones while Natalie Portman just lost some baby fat. Rewatching now, I couldn't care less. They both look like teeny tiny babies to me. Just let the stupid kids play.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 18, 2020 21:28:41 GMT
Well, to be fair, Natalie Portman was sixteen at the time TPM was filmed... Was she? Maybe they needed a tween then lol. How old was Anakin's actor then, like 7 or 8? It just creeped me out. Yeah he was eight or nine I think. Which is why I always cut the movie some slack when it came to him (Jar Jar less so) because you can't put a decade's worth of acting experience in a nine year old.
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Post by cypherj on Feb 18, 2020 21:54:42 GMT
Was she? Maybe they needed a tween then lol. How old was Anakin's actor then, like 7 or 8? It just creeped me out. Yeah he was eight or nine I think. Which is why I always cut the movie some slack when it came to him (Jar Jar less so) because you can't put a decade's worth of acting experience in a nine year old. Ironically, my issue with Anakin, aside from the written dialogue in general, was that he sounded too mature for his age. "I'm not a slave. I'm a person, and my name is Anakin." "You're a Jedi. I saw your laser sword. Only Jedi carry that kind of weapon." Kids, young people in general don't talk like this. They just don't. As opposed to. "Chores. Awww. I wanted to go into Tacchi station and pick up some power converters." "If I don't find that droid I'm really gonna get it." Teens do talk like this. Said it before, and I'll say it again. Luke was the most relatable and most realistic protagonist out of the trilogies. In Mos Eisley I was expecting Han to tell Luke to go sit somewhere else while the grown folk talk business.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 18, 2020 22:22:26 GMT
Yeah he was eight or nine I think. Which is why I always cut the movie some slack when it came to him (Jar Jar less so) because you can't put a decade's worth of acting experience in a nine year old. Ironically, my issue with Anakin, aside from the written dialogue in general, was that he sounded too mature for his age. "I'm not a slave. I'm a person, and my name is Anakin." "You're a Jedi. I saw your laser sword. Only Jedi carry that kind of weapon." Kids, young people in general don't talk like this. They just don't. As opposed to. "Chores. Awww. I wanted to go into Tacchi station and pick up some power converters." "If I don't find that droid I'm really gonna get it." Teens do talk like this. Said it before, and I'll say it again. Luke was the most relatable and most realistic protagonist out of the trilogies. In Mos Eisley I was expecting Han to tell Luke to go sit somewhere else while the grown folk talk business. I was always of the opinion Anakin should have been a teenager in TFA.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 18, 2020 22:43:14 GMT
I was always of the opinion Anakin should have been a teenager in TFA. I'm not sure. I think they made the right call of showing him at an age where he could have that purity and earnestness, to really make it clear that Darth Vader was made, not born. A teenaged Anakin might still have gotten that across, but then it would have seemed even weirder that such a good-natured young man could be turned so fully within an even shorter timespan. And that Palpatine got his claws into him so thoroughly. Although the deleted scene where he mauls another kid would suggest that that wasn't the only way Lucas was thinking of going about it. And it certainly put a unique pressure on the casting director when it came to Padme. Imagine that conversation. 1996: George Lucas: "Okay, look. I want an actress who is old enough to have conceivably been elected queen of an entire planet, while also being young enough to plausibly form a strong connection with an eight-yearold boy that will bloom into romance, and pretty enough to work as the trilogy's tertiary lead character." LucasArts Yes-Man: "... Uh... That girl from Leon: The Professional is getting old enough that we can probably start squeezing her into skimpy dresses in the sequel? We can just drown her in make-up and paint in the scenes where she's supposed to be all queenly to make her look older." George Lucas: "Sold!"
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Post by Iakus on Feb 18, 2020 22:52:38 GMT
I was always of the opinion Anakin should have been a teenager in TFA. I'm not sure. I think they made the right call of showing him at an age where he could have that purity and earnestness, to really make it clear that Darth Vader was made, not born. A teenaged Anakin might still have gotten that across, but then it would have seemed even weirder that such a good-natured young man could be turned so fully within an even shorter timespan. And that Palpatine got his claws into him so thoroughly. Although the deleted scene where he mauls another kid would suggest that that wasn't the only way Lucas was thinking of going about it. And it certainly put a unique pressure on the casting director when it came to Padme. Imagine that conversation. 1996: George Lucas: "Okay, look. I want an actress who is old enough to have conceivably been elected queen of an entire planet, while also being young enough to plausibly form a strong connection with an eight-yearold boy that will bloom into romance, and pretty enough to work as the trilogy's tertiary lead character." LucasArts Yes-Man: "... Uh... That girl from Leon: The Professional is getting old enough that we can probably start squeezing her into skimpy dresses in the sequel? We can just drown her in make-up and paint in the scenes where she's supposed to be all queenly to make her look older." George Lucas: "Sold!" Yeah, but Anakin's age made it harder to sell the whole he and Obi-Won being great friends. They were supposed to be like brothers, when Kenobi was probably more of a surrogate father.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 18, 2020 23:28:43 GMT
Yeah, but Anakin's age made it harder to sell the whole he and Obi-Won being great friends. They were supposed to be like brothers, when Kenobi was probably more of a surrogate father. Never felt like that to me. They were supposed to be like brothers, yeah, but also master and student. Ewan McGregor looks like a babyfaced young Jedi in Phantom Menace, and he totally comes across as an older brother to Anakin, taking charge of him when their Jedi daddy passes away even though he isn't entirely ready for it yet. They seem more of an age in Attack of the Clones, and can absolutely pass as a responsible older brother and a hotheaded younger one. And in Revenge of the Sith with the Clone Wars having brought them even closer together they seem like real brothers, and brothers in arms, pretty much the way Ben Kenobi described them. Granted, Hayden Christensen's acting makes him seem immature for his age and that sometimes makes him feel like too much of a child compared to Obi-Wan. But then, who wouldn't? I mean, look at how handsome they are together.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 19, 2020 1:51:56 GMT
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Post by Obadiah on Feb 19, 2020 4:02:36 GMT
So... I kept seeing in this thread how lore breaking Holdo's maneuver was TLJ, and it seems to me it really isn't.
The ship could have always gone into lightspeed/hyperspace to escape. Seems to me, the trick to using it as a weapon against the command ship was to go to hyperspace at a point that, even when it was pulled out by the command ship's the gravity well, it would still be going fast enough to do actual damage. The margin of error for such a move is probably extremely slim, and that is probably why it is considered so rare as to be, for all intents and purposes, infeasible.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 19, 2020 5:36:04 GMT
You know the two don't have to be mutually exclusive... afterall the FO...or the other FO...were both secret organizations bent on galactic domination and they were trying to keep their activities hidden from the Senate until the time was right. They'd NEED gun runners. Besides I got the implication it wasn't just gun runners on Canto Bight...why I keep saying weapons manufacturers. Edit: as much as a political activist Kiri may or may not be there is nothing nefarious going on there...they made ice cream...read scripts...and Rian thought war profiteering would be a fascinating angle to cover...I agree with him. Foreign gun runners would just sell the blue prints of their tech or other intel to their enemies if the price is right, the FO had their own historically loyal weapons manufacturer like with their vehicle manufacturer, it's why their equipment is near similar to the Empire's. Rian's coverage of war profiteering was a narrow view on the economics of weapon manufacturing that lumps all orgs into the same basket then blames them for fuelling the conflicts by providing the Rebels/Resistance with ships and guns to fight the Empire/FO with. Rich people and guns bad is what Rose's rant boils down to. TLJ's male characters were written to be buffoonish and incompetent versus their female companions, Kiri's influence on script is noticeable when compared JJ's depictions of cthe haracters (didn't work closely with Kiri's team) versus Rian who admitted that he deferred to her approval all throughout the drafting of TLJ's script. TLJ's failure is probably why Kiri got demoted anfd reshuffled around until she quit.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 19, 2020 5:57:34 GMT
Granted, Hayden Christensen's acting makes him seem immature for his age and that sometimes makes him feel like too much of a child compared to Obi-Wan. But then, who wouldn't? Except that Anikan was a teenager. Remember, adult Obi-Wan was around when Anakin was a pre-teen. Not really buying into the brothers aspect here. Not saying you can't develop a kinship over a wider age gap but they were decidedly not brotherly with one another. It was more like Obi-Wan was the school teacher and Anakin was the annoying student who whined and walked out of class every day.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 19, 2020 7:59:54 GMT
So... I kept seeing in this thread how lore breaking Holdo's maneuver was TLJ, and it seems to me it really isn't. The ship could have always gone into lightspeed/hyperspace to escape. Seems to me, the trick to using it as a weapon against the command ship was to go to hyperspace at a point that, even when it was pulled out by the command ship's the gravity well, it would still be going fast enough to do actual damage. The margin of error for such a move is probably extremely slim, and that is probably why it is considered so rare as to be, for all intents and purposes, infeasible. SW ships only move at FTL speeds inside of hyperspace but lose that momentum the instant they leave hyperspace and wouldn't cause such catastrophic damage due to the instantaneous decrease in speed when exiting hyperspace. Before the retcon the depiction of Holdo's maneuver in TLJ looked very similar to Star Trek's warpdrive engines that provide pure speed instead of dimensional travel. Without the retcon Holdo's ease of use of the maneuver without the assistance of ai or droid technology to time a jump the instant it impacted with the Supremacy and send it's wreckage flying at FTL speeds had many of us question why no one combined hyperdrive, droid and missile technology to replicate the maneuver and render all naval engagements obsolete based on Johnson's portrayal of hyperspace physics. With the new retcon the Raddus was in possession of an experimental shield that encased the Raddus' chain reaction explosion upon it's impact with the Supremacy and turned it into an impromptu giant plasma bolt that sent it's wreckage flying at lightspeed after the collision. It's still a bullshit explanation since it requires laughably precise calculation that was spontaneously performed by a human under duress, Hux freaking out because it would imply that he knows about the process of using the Raddus experimental shields to turn it into a giant bolt of plasma in conjunction with a perfectly timed jump, and it's chances of success, or it's shields still holding the ship's wreckage together after it collided with the Supremacy, but at least it's now a one time use move due to the retcon's addition of unique shield technology. A one in a million move like Poe said in TRoS.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 19, 2020 9:54:45 GMT
Except that Anikan was a teenager. Remember, adult Obi-Wan was around when Anakin was a pre-teen. Not really buying into the brothers aspect here. Not saying you can't develop a kinship over a wider age gap but they were decidedly not brotherly with one another. It was more like Obi-Wan was the school teacher and Anakin was the annoying student who whined and walked out of class every day. You mean twenty-five yearold Obi-Wan was around when Anakin was a nine. I'd hardly call that "adult", Obi-Wan doesn't start looking like a real grownup to me until Revenge of the Sith. I have siblings who were younger than Phantom Menace Anakin when I was that age. It's not that unusual if your parents don't wait until their thirties to start having children, or if you have step- or adopted siblings, which could more or less describe Annie and Obie's situation. So... I kept seeing in this thread how lore breaking Holdo's maneuver was TLJ, and it seems to me it really isn't. The ship could have always gone into lightspeed/hyperspace to escape. Seems to me, the trick to using it as a weapon against the command ship was to go to hyperspace at a point that, even when it was pulled out by the command ship's the gravity well, it would still be going fast enough to do actual damage. The margin of error for such a move is probably extremely slim, and that is probably why it is considered so rare as to be, for all intents and purposes, infeasible. Assuming this is true, which isn't supported by anything said or done or seen in the movie, then the issue is still Hux' panicked reaction to her turning the ship to face Snoke's flagship. He clearly understands what she intends to do, and absolutely doesn't act like there's a nine hundred thousand nine hundred and ninety nine to one chance for it not to do significant damage. Oh, and the fact that it's also performed by civilian militia on a star destroyer in Rise of Skywalker's war ending montage. So yeah it's pretty much just a thing people do now.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 19, 2020 11:34:27 GMT
So... I kept seeing in this thread how lore breaking Holdo's maneuver was TLJ, and it seems to me it really isn't. The ship could have always gone into lightspeed/hyperspace to escape. Seems to me, the trick to using it as a weapon against the command ship was to go to hyperspace at a point that, even when it was pulled out by the command ship's the gravity well, it would still be going fast enough to do actual damage. The margin of error for such a move is probably extremely slim, and that is probably why it is considered so rare as to be, for all intents and purposes, infeasible. Assuming this is true, which isn't supported by anything said or done or seen in the movie, then the issue is still Hux' panicked reaction to her turning the ship to face Snoke's flagship. He clearly understands what she intends to do, and absolutely doesn't act like there's a nine hundred thousand nine hundred and ninety nine to one chance for it not to do significant damage. Oh, and the fact that it's also performed by civilian militia on a star destroyer in Rise of Skywalker's war ending montage. So yeah it's pretty much just a thing people do now. The sad part is that the TLJ novelisation retconned Holdo's maneuver then JJ said "fuck it" at maintaining a semblance of consistency after having Poe point blank state it was a one in a million move.
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