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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 29, 2016 16:45:05 GMT
What's the difference between a spirit and a ghost?
Ghosts like those who were present in DAO at the temple of the Brecilian forest,those two elven ghosts ( I'm assuming that they were elven because they knew the language but the kid had human ears),or the ghosts in the orphanage at the alienage,like that immortal girl that the player can't kill.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 29, 2016 16:49:12 GMT
GhostsSome spirits retain memories and personalities of those long gone. They substantiate the popular belief in ghosts who became lost on their way to the Maker's side, even as it is against the Chantry teachings. Known examples include Katriel, Eleni Zinovia, Claudio Valisti, Cole, Telana and Justinia V among the others. So: not every spirits are ghosts, but every ghosts are spirits.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 29, 2016 17:52:22 GMT
Reportedly, there are no such thing as ghosts in Dragon Age; what is dead can never return. We know that's not precisely true, as people's spirits can be anchored to an object, such as an specially-prepared Mortilitasi skull. Still, the majority of "ghosts" you see are actually Fade spirits simply mimicking the living. The spirits in the orphanage were just demons. Also, lyrium can preserve living memories, which creates the "ghosts" that you see in, say, Kal'Hirol. If you desecrated the Urn of Sacred Ashes ... ... Leliana is an example of one such "ghost" brought to life by the lyrium at the Temple. It's not really her, just a doppelgänger.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 29, 2016 18:34:11 GMT
Reportedly, there are no such thing as ghosts in Dragon Age; what is dead can never return. We know that's not precisely true, as people's spirits can be anchored to an object, such as an specially-prepared Mortilitasi skull. Still, the majority of "ghosts" you see are actually Fade spirits simply mimicking the living. The spirits in the orphanage were just demons. Also, lyrium can preserve living memories, which creates the "ghosts" that you see in, say, Kal'Hirol. If you desecrated the Urn of Sacred Ashes ... ... Leliana is an example of one such "ghost" brought to life by the lyrium at the Temple. It's not really her, just a doppelgänger. Those two Avvar guys turned into stones in DAA did not seemed to be spirits to me,but they weren't alive either and they never meet a necromancer.... so other than ghosts how should I call them?
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Post by fylimar on Dec 29, 2016 18:40:47 GMT
I guess, ghosts are the spiritual remains of once living people, while spirits were always Fade-dwelling entities.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 29, 2016 18:59:06 GMT
Those two Avvar guys turned into stones in DAA did not seemed to be spirits to me,but they weren't alive either and they never meet a necromancer.... so other than ghosts how should I call them? They were not spirits or ghosts. They were petrified humans. People who have been turned to stone and remain alive are a thing in DA. Remember Eleni Zinovia? The three pirates from Mark of the Assassin?
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 29, 2016 19:08:38 GMT
Those two Avvar guys turned into stones in DAA did not seemed to be spirits to me,but they weren't alive either and they never meet a necromancer.... so other than ghosts how should I call them? They were not spirits or ghosts. They were petrified humans. People who have been petrified and remain alive are a thing in DA. Remember Eleni Zinovia? The three pirates from Mark of the Assassin? Ah so it's a curse,who know if it can be reversed? The Dragon Queen in DAA however was indeed a Ghost returned from the fade.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 29, 2016 20:06:49 GMT
They were not spirits or ghosts. They were petrified humans. People who have been petrified and remain alive are a thing in DA. Remember Eleni Zinovia? The three pirates from Mark of the Assassin? Ah so it's a curse,who know if it can be reversed? The Dragon Queen in DAA however was indeed a Ghost returned from the fade. The three pirates could be returned to flesh, but their curse had an escape clause. As for the Queen of the Blackmarsh ... could be a ghost, could be a spirit, could be the result of the Baroness' magic.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 30, 2016 4:07:54 GMT
Reportedly, there are no such thing as ghosts in Dragon Age; what is dead can never return. We know that's not precisely true, as people's spirits can be anchored to an object, such as an specially-prepared Mortilitasi skull. Still, the majority of "ghosts" you see are actually Fade spirits simply mimicking the living. The spirits in the orphanage were just demons. Also, lyrium can preserve living memories, which creates the "ghosts" that you see in, say, Kal'Hirol. If you desecrated the Urn of Sacred Ashes ... ... Leliana is an example of one such "ghost" brought to life by the lyrium at the Temple. It's not really her, just a doppelgänger. I guessed the same happened to Ren too. Valta must have brought him back since she can use the power of the lyrium. Thing is, his body disappeared so I supposed he can be considered to be a walking dead.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 30, 2016 4:46:18 GMT
That's one possibility. Another is that the Sha-Brytol stole his body for some unknown reason.
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Post by xerrai on Jan 2, 2017 21:37:59 GMT
I guess the main difference is that ghosts were actually people at one point or another and were born in Thedas, and spirits are merely fade denizens that mimic the living.
But while dragon age does hint at the existence of ghosts (i.e. Flemeth/Mythal, Lyrium!Leliana and souls tied to mortallitasi skulls) the general consensus is that they are not really the souls of the deceased, but spirits mimicking a particular person.
But like the quandary posed with the 'spirit' of Divine Justinia V in the Fade, it up to player interpretation as to if this is universally true.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 3, 2017 15:38:41 GMT
As has been stated, the actual existence of ghosts, of lingering spiritual presence of a living being in the physical world, hasn't really been confirmed in Dragon Age. Most all we've encountered have indicated or left open the possibility that they are spirits, not unlike Cole to use an extreme example, mimicking the thoughts, memory and appearance of the dead.
That being said, we know people can continue to exist in the Fade after their body has expired, see Niall in DAO. This also seems to be what happened to the Baroness and her subjects in the Blackmarsh, assuming that really is the Baroness. If so, then it would seem mortal souls ultimately become more and more like spirits the longer they spend in the Fade.
EDIT: We also get lyrium ghosts, which mostly seem to just play out an event like we sometimes see in the Deep Roads. Those mostly seem to have been echoes preserved and given form by ambient lyrium than ghosts. Normal spirits do this too, like at Soldier's Peak. So spirits/lyrium ghosts seem to range between passive echoes and actively taking on the identity of and acting as a dead person, like Cole and Leliana.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 3, 2017 17:21:51 GMT
Ah so it's a curse,who know if it can be reversed? The Dragon Queen in DAA however was indeed a Ghost returned from the fade. The three pirates could be returned to flesh, but their curse had an escape clause. As for the Queen of the Blackmarsh ... could be a ghost, could be a spirit, could be the result of the Baroness' magic. I thought the Baroness was a pride abomination by that point?
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 3, 2017 17:26:30 GMT
The three pirates could be returned to flesh, but their curse had an escape clause. As for the Queen of the Blackmarsh ... could be a ghost, could be a spirit, could be the result of the Baroness' magic. I thought the Baroness was a pride abomination by that point? I think that was referring to the spirit dragon.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 3, 2017 19:12:00 GMT
I was indeed.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jan 7, 2017 11:38:03 GMT
The three pirates could be returned to flesh, but their curse had an escape clause. As for the Queen of the Blackmarsh ... could be a ghost, could be a spirit, could be the result of the Baroness' magic. I thought the Baroness was a pride abomination by that point? I think Justice's words suggest she's a ghost rather than an abomination. Justice says "she assumed that role" when speaking of the Baroness we meet, which seems to me to suggest either that the woman we meet is a formerly-mortal Baroness who assumed the role of a demon, or that she is a demon who assumed the role of the Baroness. Furthermore, the quote "there was such a mortal once, but now? That is a demon of Pride" seems to suggest that the demon and the mortal mage who originally used that title aren't really the same person. Reportedly, there are no such thing as ghosts in Dragon Age; what is dead can never return. We know that's not precisely true, as people's spirits can be anchored to an object, such as an specially-prepared Mortilitasi skull. Still, the majority of "ghosts" you see are actually Fade spirits simply mimicking the living. The spirits in the orphanage were just demons. Also, lyrium can preserve living memories, which creates the "ghosts" that you see in, say, Kal'Hirol. If you desecrated the Urn of Sacred Ashes ... ... Leliana is an example of one such "ghost" brought to life by the lyrium at the Temple. It's not really her, just a doppelgänger. The same guy who has you prepare the Mortalitasi skull states that the dead can't return, and that necromancy just uses Fade spirits. Therefore he probably doesn't use or even know of any power that can recall the spirits of the dead. Therefore the skull probably doesn't.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 7, 2017 12:14:18 GMT
There is one person that knows/knew (depending on whether you think she is permanently dead or not) how to recall the actual spirit of the person after they were dead and that was Yavana in the comic series. After Claudio Valisti was killed by Isabella, Yavana forces his spirit to return and answer questions on pain of being permanently tied to his rotting corpse instead of being able to pass on to wherever spirits of the dead go. Presumably such a corpse tied spirit would qualify as a ghost since they are the spirit of the actual person that once occupied the body, not a Fade spirit mimicking them.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 7, 2017 12:35:19 GMT
In death, people's spirits do linger briefly in the Fade before moving on to "somewhere else."
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