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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 1, 2017 15:46:57 GMT
We were told that in the past several cults of Andraste, but particularly the Order of Fiery Promise, had an interest in these. The OFP's interest was because they believed that they were connected in some way with the existence of the Veil and so wanted them destroyed because that would result in the destruction of the world as well. Now I don't believe the actual astrariums we found had anything to do with the Veil but I wonder if the idea is relevant. Suppose for example, the Order of Fiery Promise had come across murals depicting the raising of the Veil that used objects that looked like the astrariums? Then their belief would have some substance, particularly when you consider that Solas claims that removing the Veil will result in the destruction of the world through fire, just as the OFP believe. It seems very heavy handed of the writers to introduce something so similar and then it be just a red herring.
We were also directed to a number of objects by Solas that looked like miniature astrariums. What did he claim they did when switched on; strengthen the Veil. I'm not sure now but were they not also found in the same areas that we had astrariums: Hinterlands, Storm Coast, Western approach, Crestwood and Emerald Graves (I'm not sure about this last one). There was a set of astrariums in the Frostback Basin but without an accompanying ancient artefact and an artefact in the Hissing Wastes without the accompanying astrariums, so there may not be any connection between the two.
Then there is the fact that before he woke up, Solas had his agent Felassan operating in the world with the specific instruction to obtain control of the eluvians. Why did he need these if dropping the Veil was a simple matter of activating his orb and entering the Fade? It strikes me that in order to undertake his plan, he needed to be able to travel to several different locations quickly, for which he needed the eluvians. With the astrariums, there is always a group of three, which when all are activated unlocks another location. So could this be how he originally raised the Veil and how he intends to remove it?
At the moment I'm thinking that Skyhold is the location of one of these points of activation; which is why it has the name it does and the others have yet to be revealed but are to be found somewhere in the north of Thedas, one possible location being the pyramids of Par Vollen, which appear aligned to the constellation Solium.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 1, 2017 15:50:22 GMT
Solas likely wanted control of the eluvians for the same reason that Corypheus did: to enable passage into the Fade in case Plan A went awry.
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Post by melbella on Jan 1, 2017 18:46:21 GMT
I don't know if the astrariums (astraria?) are related to Solas' plan at all, but I think the lore reveals are important foreshadowing for what we find out at the Temple of Mythal and in Trespasser: that the Imperium was basically Elvhen pt 2, with human mages in control instead of elven ones. They slapped Tevinter names on everything they could and pretended to be the original badass empire while erasing as much as they could of what came before.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 1, 2017 19:35:04 GMT
Solas only ever had a plan A. He had no idea that his plan wasn't going to work as he readily admitted. The idea was that Corypheus should unlock the orb, get blown up, then Solas would claim the orb, use the anchor to enter the Fade and the power of the orb to tear down the Veil from that side, or at least that is what he claims. Bearing in mind that he only ever tells you as much as he wants to tell you and he specifically says that he is withholding information that might allow you to stop him, there could be something from the original plan that he has concealed.
Plus we only have Morrigan's word for it that Corypheus wanted to find an eluvian for that purpose. In fact, as we discovered, it wasn't the eluvian he was after at all but the Well of Sorrows. Getting into the Fade is not sufficient or Solas would have dropped the Veil already, since he absorbed Mythal and her lair was in the Fade. In fact Corypheus could have saved himself a lot of bother if he had known he need only use an eluvian to get into the Fade. The trick is to know how to alter the exit point from the eluvian. Of course that could have been why he wanted to Well of Sorrows, to get the knowledge how to use the eluvian and then enter the Fade.
Mind you, getting into the Fade is not what Corypheus wanted, he wanted to get into the Black City and that is a whole different problem. I'm guessing that simply entering the Fade isn't going to be enough for Solas either, even with the requisite power source, but he specifically needs to get into the Black City as well.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 1, 2017 19:41:44 GMT
The Order of Fiery promise believed that the astrariums (or objects that looked like astrariums) were used to maintain the Veil and if you destroy them you destroy the Veil. Then old broken world is destroyed and paradise is born anew from fiery chaos. That sounds exactly like Solas' plan.
I don't know, may be they saw Solas holding the orb in a picture and thought it looked like an astrarium. Unless, like the astrariums, three were required and two of them were already in place, so Solas just needed to place the third.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 20:50:23 GMT
Apparently the OFP understood there was a connection between the Veil and the ancient elven artifacts Solas has the Inquisitor reactivate, I think at some point the OFP just confused the Astrariums with the artifacts. You're question is a good one though, how did they know about the connection to begin with, and if they're right about the artifact's connection to the Veil and what will happen if the Veil comes down, are they right about the Seekers supposedly stealing their powers a long time ago?
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 1, 2017 20:58:44 GMT
If I recall, the astrarium codex indicates that they were created by a group of dissidents in old Tevinter, so I kinda doubt they have any connection to something so fundamental as the Veil. Now, the elven artifacts that Solas wants activated are another matter, but I don't think they look much like Astrariums besides both having spheres in their design.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 1, 2017 21:19:35 GMT
I know the Astrariums were created by a bunch of Tevinter dissidents. I just wonder why the OFP would have connected them with the Veil in the first place let alone have an idea about them that is so close to Solas' actual plan.
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Post by spiritofsolace on Jan 2, 2017 7:55:29 GMT
Flemeth uses an Eluvian to enter the fade when she kidnaps Kieran. So I think that is why Solas wanted them, I mean he has to be aware they can be used in that way.
As for the astrariums, I really don't think they are that relevant
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Post by javeart on Jan 2, 2017 10:25:32 GMT
It seems at some point the OFP understood there was a connection between the Veil and the ancient elven artifacts Solas has the Inquisitor reactivate, I think at some point the OFP just confused the Astrariums with the artifacts. You're question is a good one though, how did they know about the connection to begin with, and if they're right about the artifacts connection to the Veil and what will happen if the Veil comes down, are they right about the Seekers supposedly stealing their powers a long time ago? I agree with this, the "coincidence" is very interesting, but surely they have mistaken two different kind of artifacts, which sounds kind of likely, since that seems to be the base of the DA universe: everyone has pieces of the truth, but only pieces and the rest is always a missunderstanding I find it hard to imagine how the astrariums could be related to the veil, at least for what we have seen of them for now. gervaise21 though I don't have any lore-grounded theories to support it (I never do ), I think too that what Solas is trying to do is specifically to reach the Black City.
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