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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 19:30:28 GMT
Why dont you got those OP abilities that the sarebas gets? isnt sarebas a qunari mage anyway?
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2017 20:03:12 GMT
No. To put it briefly: a Saarebas is a mage member of the Qun who have been "trained" by them. Inquisitor Adaar is Vashoth which is the term for a qunari who have never even been introduced to the Qun. Tal-Vashoth are former members of the Qun who have rejected that way of living.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 20:16:12 GMT
No, all have the same boring spells. Chantry approved. It's logical, because this is a Chantry-adventure, lead by a Seeker (as I always feel, the Inquisitor only a "Choosen One", who have an important hand, no more). I always imagine, that my Inquisitors naturally know the blood magic, just not use here – too many people would be shocked. (As i see, in all Circles the youngest apprentica know blood magic as well, except Surana, Amell Trevelyan and probably Malcolm Hawke –before Grey Wardens–, Anders and Wynne. I'm not sure about Vivienne...).
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 3, 2017 20:18:48 GMT
The vashoth Inquisitor is trained in Thedosian magic and is thus able to use it in spells. Saarebas are not trained, they basically just flail around magical energy. Having been trained, the Inquisitor is unable to wield their magic in this way but has access to a much wider variety of selective effects.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 20:22:41 GMT
The inquisitor mentions being trained by a sarebas though...
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 20:25:17 GMT
The inquisitor mentions being trained by a sarebas though... But here s/he only use Chantry approved spells. (There is no other explanation, that why exactly all use same spells...) |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 3, 2017 20:28:35 GMT
The inquisitor mentions being trained by a sarebas though... By a vashoth mage, I think, not a mage under the win. Besides which, a mage who fled the win could have learned Thedas magic techniques. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 20:41:51 GMT
why is he/she not as strong as the sarebas from trespasser dlc though? the qunari mage inquisitor is weak...
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 20:44:50 GMT
why is he/she not as strong as the sarebas from trespasser dlc though? the qunari mage inquisitor is weak... Because qunari Inquisitor trained by a lame saarebas (a qunari Jowan...)  |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2017 20:47:15 GMT
I cut my losses and made my qunari a warrior instead. That way I didn't have to figure out how they managed to track down a Saarebas apostate trained in Southern magic (??) to train them.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 20:50:42 GMT
I cut my losses and made my qunari a warrior instead. That way I didn't have to figure out how they managed to track down a Saarebas apostate trained in Southern magic (??) to train them. But the warriors and rogues also same trained... no one unique skill tree (and where is the Seeker skills, they aren't templars?)... |
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Post by Gilli on Jan 3, 2017 21:00:47 GMT
As many have said, Inquisitor Adaar is a Vashot, not a Qunari. Saarebas under the Qun: No training, raw magic - basically a magical battering ram that get's pointed into a direction and just destroys everything in it's path. Vashot mages: Got trained how to wield their magic, just like any normal human/elf mage - seem have lost some of their power, but only because they have learned how to wield it. Qunari do not differ between mages tho, so any mage is called Saarebas, "Dangerous Thing". This was brought to you, by my first Inquisitor, Haya Adaar |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2017 21:05:09 GMT
I cut my losses and made my qunari a warrior instead. That way I didn't have to figure out how they managed to track down a Saarebas apostate trained in Southern magic (??) to train them. But the warriors and rogues also same trained... no one unique skill tree (and where is the Seeker skills, they aren't templars?)... Yeah, but a qunari warrior working as a mercenary just needs to know how to Hit Stuff Really Hard, Repeatedly and they'll be fine.  All other combat training is just a bonus! |
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2017 21:06:29 GMT
why is he/she not as strong as the sarebas from trespasser dlc though? the qunari mage inquisitor is weak... "Saarebas do not receive a proper instruction and are essentially hedge mages. They are considered weapons and as such are trained with the focus on destruction." - Wikipedia.
If Adaar was trained by a former Saarebas then chances were that the former Saarebas in question had to learn how to properly use their magic and control themselves since they would likely no longer have had a member of the Arvaarad to do so. To put it differently: In the Qun, they're basically trained to be weapons wielded by someone else who points them in the direction that they want them to shoot in. Outside of the Qun, they have to learn to wield themselves otherwise they are a great danger to others and themselves.
Additionally, Saarebas training does not seem like the sort that leaves a healthy person behind. Also, I disagree about the mage inquisitor being weak.
See gervaise2's post below about Saareth the saarebas from Trespasser.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2017 21:13:26 GMT
Qunari do not differ between mages tho, so any mage is called Saarebas, "Dangerous Thing".This was brought to you, by my first Inquisitor, Haya Adaar The Qun do differentiate between their mages and other mages but in a very small way basically. Mages outside the Qun are referred to as bas saarebas while mages inside the Qun are referred to just as Saarebas. Bas literally means "thing" and is basically Qunari for "foreign", "thing outside the Qun" or simply "non-Qunari". |
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2017 21:16:39 GMT
I cut my losses and made my qunari a warrior instead. That way I didn't have to figure out how they managed to track down a Saarebas apostate trained in Southern magic (??) to train them. We've seen them since Dragon Age: Origins. In Leliana's personal quest, Marjolaine had two Tal-Vashoth mages in her employment. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 3, 2017 21:18:42 GMT
A saraabas would normally only be found in the Qun, since it is their name for a mage. Thus it seems highly odd that the Vashoth Adaar would even call the person they trained under a saraabas, even if the latter had escaped from the Qun. It is really a rather insulting name, since it is basically calling you a thing, not a person.
The saraabas in Trespasser had been tanked up with lyrium, which could account for some of their superior power. Essentially though the saraabas is just raw power. It might seem stronger in certain fields but there is no finesse or control. In a way it is the difference between a dog kept on a leash and only released to fight and a properly trained guarding dog confronting something like a bear. The former might have more raw aggression and power but will go for the attack and likely get itself killed; the latter will never truly close on the bear, harry and dodge it, until it eventually goes away, leaving the guarding dog unscathed. Raw magic is impressive but trained magic is far more flexible.
Basically though, if you want the same powers as the saraabas, you have to be prepared to be collared and put on a leash, held by some guy with a cattle prod to sting you with if they think you are getting out of line. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2017 21:26:20 GMT
I cut my losses and made my qunari a warrior instead. That way I didn't have to figure out how they managed to track down a Saarebas apostate trained in Southern magic (??) to train them. We've seen them since Dragon Age: Origins. In Leliana's personal quest, Marjolaine had two Tal-Vashoth mages in her employment. Oh, they exist. It's just that finding one to tutor your tiny qunari mage child seems... difficult. And that's assuming your Tal-Vashoth parents don't freak out on you and leave you for dead. |
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Post by Gilli on Jan 3, 2017 21:34:43 GMT
Qunari do not differ between mages tho, so any mage is called Saarebas, "Dangerous Thing".This was brought to you, by my first Inquisitor, Haya Adaar The Qun do differentiate between their mages and other mages but in a very small way basically. Mages outside the Qun are referred to as bas saarebas while mages inside the Qun are referred to just as Saarebas. Bas literally means "thing" and is basically Qunari for "foreign", "thing outside the Qun" or simply "non-Qunari". I know that, should've probably clarified, they find that all mages are dangerous things, but call non-Qunari mages "thing dangerous thing". |
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2017 21:38:27 GMT
We've seen them since Dragon Age: Origins. In Leliana's personal quest, Marjolaine had two Tal-Vashoth mages in her employment. Oh, they exist. It's just that finding one to tutor your tiny qunari mage child seems... difficult. And that's assuming your Tal-Vashoth parents don't freak out on you and leave you for dead.Not necessarily: Tal-Vashoth can find and group with other Tal-Vashoth as we've seen and I'd consider that they might even find that more comfortable since they'd be with people who know what they'd been through and it is said that Tal-Vashoth sometimes retain some of the Qunari mindset like towards strangers. While I can see some Tal-Vashoth retaining the mindset about mages, clearly not all do since we see former saarebas who are with other Tal-Vashoth.
Outside of that, you can always headcanon that one or both of your Adaar's parents was once saarebas.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2017 21:39:09 GMT
The Qun do differentiate between their mages and other mages but in a very small way basically. Mages outside the Qun are referred to as bas saarebas while mages inside the Qun are referred to just as Saarebas. Bas literally means "thing" and is basically Qunari for "foreign", "thing outside the Qun" or simply "non-Qunari". I know that, should've probably clarified, they find that all mages are dangerous things, but call non-Qunari mages "thing dangerous thing".Which is hilariously redundant and amuses me far more than it probably should. |
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 4, 2017 14:51:47 GMT
why is he/she not as strong as the sarebas from trespasser dlc though? the qunari mage inquisitor is weak... The standard Sarebaas are not as strong as Saarath, either. The Viddasala has been stuffing the poor guy with lyrium to make him more powerful. (I mean, it works. But it doesn't do anything for his mental stability, and I suspect that his days were numbered even if the Inquisitor had not happened along and murderized him.) |
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Post by Gilli on Jan 4, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
why is he/she not as strong as the sarebas from trespasser dlc though? the qunari mage inquisitor is weak... The standard Sarebaas are not as strong as Saarath, either. The Viddasala has been stuffing the poor guy with lyrium to make him more powerful. (I mean, it works. But it doesn't do anything for his mental stability, and I suspect that his days were numbered even if the Inquisitor had not happened along and murderized him.) And it's not just normal Lyrium, they also give him Red Lyrium. Which is why he's so tall, strong and in the end gets mad. |
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