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Post by fadburger on Apr 3, 2017 21:49:16 GMT
I can't argue with his complaints on Kadara I hate it too, and I hate the heat and being dirty lol. I'm sure I'd whine as much if not more than he does.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 3, 2017 21:52:02 GMT
I'm kind of not holding my breath over those potential cliffhangers, due to what happened in the DA series. There were so many hints at possible plot twists in the games that went absolutely nowhere. The old god baby (I doubt his existence or lack of it will influence Solas in any way in DA4), Sandal and his creepy prophesies, Flemeth's daughter-body-snatching ways, the Thedas-wide Templar/Mage war resolved in one quest... I suspect they will never really come up again because hey, Solas the new guy wants to destroy the world, lets deal with that now! They really created too many variables that they can no longer deal with with limited resources, so all those plot points kinda fade into obscurity. Weekes said they throw out a lot of "hooks" (I think that's the word he used) and see how people react. They use those reactions to determine what their focus will be going forward. I think it's gotten a little more refined since DAO - since that was really all over the place - but you still see it even in DAI: Like how Hawke mysteriously goes to talk to the Wardens, and then just shows back up in Kirkwall post-Trespasser. That was clearly a setup for something. I think everything they've brought up that is Ryder-specific can be tied up in DLC. NPCs on the Meridian even say that Pathfinders are supposed to become "obsolete" one day and that others will quickly be able to figure out how to use RemTech. Plus - while the crew wants to stick around now - most express a desire to eventually "settle". I think the character arcs for a lot of them would lead them off the Tempest, and we'd see something more like what happened with the original trilogy, where maybe some NPCs and one or two companions stick around but the rest only have auxiliary roles. In regards to the second spoiler That's contradicted by the very fact that Angaran still can't figure out rem tech to a decent extent despite having centuries to do so. So either that's BS or we have another case of humans are special (and I really hope that's not the case). Considering to even learn to use Rem-tech involves a great deal of pain most likely an AI will always be needed for the first steps and not that many people are gonna be willing to have an AI stuck in their head to get to the point where they can learn it alone. Agreed on everyone eventually going their separate ways tho.
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Post by theratpack55 on Apr 3, 2017 21:55:04 GMT
Well, I took a shower and it's almost midnight, time for me to go to bed. Do we know at what time we can expect the BW announcement tomorrow? I expect it'll be mostly info about patches, but do you think it's too early to hope for some DLC hints? I wonder if they had something planned already that they could reveal a little about.
Goodnight!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 21:55:41 GMT
Well, I took a shower and it's almost midnight, time for me to go to bed. Do we know at what time we can expect the BW announcement tomorrow? I expect it'll be mostly info about patches, but do you think it's too early to hope for some DLC hints? I wonder if they had something planned already that they could reveal a little about. Goodnight! Probably patches and CC stuff.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 3, 2017 21:57:56 GMT
Still not sure the Jardaan are the bad guys. They were trying to create live not destroy it. Why would they want sleeper agents What is most interesting as someone here pointed out is, the Jaardan might have looked like Angara based on the ancient stuff we find for Avela. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Jaardan actually are the Angara... at least in sense.
Fearing that they'd be destroyed by their enemy, the Jaardan might have created the Angara to serve as the perfect camouflage. Their enemy would assume the Jaardan had fled or been wiped out completely, while they secretly bid their time and uploaded their consciousness into the minds of their creations.
That's why the Angara have some kind of genetic memory and ability to access Remnant technology, because they are both creator and creation.
Obviously something went horribly wrong with the transfer process, leaving the Angara with only half-remembered memories of a time they roamed the stars and not truly understanding their strange connection to Remnant tech. They believe that the Remnant tech was used by their ancestors, but don't realise that they actually are the Remnant (and in a very literal sense).
The Angara are a fallen empire who doesn't remember falling down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:00:14 GMT
What is most interesting as someone here pointed out is, the Jaardan might have looked like Angara based on the ancient stuff we find for Avela. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Jaardan actually are the Angara... at least in sense.
Fearing that they'd be destroyed by their enemy, the Jaardan might have created the Angara to serve as the perfect camouflage. Their enemy would assume the Jaardan had fled or been wiped out completely, while they secretly bid their time and uploaded their consciousness into the minds of their creations.
That's why the Angara have some kind of genetic memory and ability to access Remnant technology, because they are both creator and creation.
Obviously something went horribly wrong with the transfer process, leaving the Angara with only half-remembered memories of a time they roamed the stars and not truly understanding their strange connection to Remnant tech. They believe that the Remnant tech was used by their ancestors, but don't realise that they actually are the Remnant.
The Angara are a fallen empire who doesn't remember falling down. Oh wow! That's amazing and very plausible! Reminds me almost of the elves in DA and TES. They were once a higher power and became something weaker, a former shell of their once greatness and great empire.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 3, 2017 22:03:33 GMT
I just got the space hamster scene in my Jaal romance playthrough. That is so adorable. "You're the most adorable critter I've met in Andromeda so far. Except Jaal. He's special.".
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I just got the space hamster scene in my Jaal romance playthrough. That is so adorable. "You're the most adorable critter I've met in Andromeda so far...Except Jaal. He's special.". Haha I love that line and how Fryda delivers it! I kept him as a pet. I couldn't let him be released and possibly get eaten. Hope you enjoy Jaal's romance! It's nice you can skip the sex scene and keep it very clean with him! He's a sweetie.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 3, 2017 22:08:57 GMT
Oh wow! That's amazing and very plausible! Reminds me almost of the elves in DA and TES. They were once a higher power and became something weaker, a former shell of their once greatness and great empire. Yeah, the Angara see the Remnant as proving they were influenced by Ancient Astronauts. They never considered they might be the descendants of those astronauts, who've forgotten how they build those megastructures in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:11:22 GMT
Oh wow! That's amazing and very plausible! Reminds me almost of the elves in DA and TES. They were once a higher power and became something weaker, a former shell of their once greatness and great empire. Yeah, the Angara see the Remnant as proving they were influenced by Ancient Astronauts. They never considered they might be the descendants of those astronauts, who've forgotten how they build those megastructures in the first place. That actually fits perfectly with all the facts we gather throughout the game. Especially noticed if you do Avela's quest. That statue in Voeld had Jaal react in an odd way. He felt it was Angaran, yet it wasn't and Avela reacted the same way. It's all familiar since they do reincarnate, but it's not clear enough for them to realize what they once were. Now with all the Pathfinders and AI's running amuck, something might break.
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Post by fadburger on Apr 3, 2017 22:18:58 GMT
I just got the space hamster scene in my Jaal romance playthrough. That is so adorable. "You're the most adorable critter I've met in Andromeda so far...Except Jaal. He's special.". Haha I love that line and how Fryda delivers it! I kept him as a pet. I couldn't let him be released and possibly get eaten. Hope you enjoy Jaal's romance! It's nice you can skip the sex scene and keep it very clean with him! He's a sweetie. I was really missing the space hamster even though I had the pyjack so I was very glad to have this little guy xD Also I love how Sara finds Jaal adorable, what a bunch of cuties.
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Post by zambixi on Apr 3, 2017 22:26:06 GMT
Weekes said they throw out a lot of "hooks" (I think that's the word he used) and see how people react. They use those reactions to determine what their focus will be going forward. I think it's gotten a little more refined since DAO - since that was really all over the place - but you still see it even in DAI: Like how Hawke mysteriously goes to talk to the Wardens, and then just shows back up in Kirkwall post-Trespasser. That was clearly a setup for something. I think everything they've brought up that is Ryder-specific can be tied up in DLC. NPCs on the Meridian even say that Pathfinders are supposed to become "obsolete" one day and that others will quickly be able to figure out how to use RemTech. Plus - while the crew wants to stick around now - most express a desire to eventually "settle". I think the character arcs for a lot of them would lead them off the Tempest, and we'd see something more like what happened with the original trilogy, where maybe some NPCs and one or two companions stick around but the rest only have auxiliary roles. In regards to the second spoiler That's contradicted by the very fact that Angaran still can't figure out rem tech to a decent extent despite having centuries to do so. So either that's BS or we have another case of humans are special (and I really hope that's not the case). Considering to even learn to use Rem-tech involves a great deal of pain most likely an AI will always be needed for the first steps and not that many people are gonna be willing to have an AI stuck in their head to get to the point where they can learn it alone. Agreed on everyone eventually going their separate ways tho. It's easier to do something once someone has already done it. Also, consider that the Angara have been at war for almost a century. They lost a ton of their culture when the Kett arrived, and the majority of their scientific resources have gone towards battling the Kett. Think of how the knowledge of Aya's vault is lost because of one person. If the Kett are no longer a threat, if the Angara are able to discover their lost colonies, and/or if they're able to consolidate their resources/access Initiative resources I bet their research would accelerate significantly. I mean, I personally think it should take a while for random bandits to figure out, but they put it in that console for a reason. I'm guessing it's because they want to plant the seed that Ryder isn't going to be the only one able to do this for very long.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 3, 2017 22:28:41 GMT
During the sidequest where you send messages from the Angara back to the Nexus, was I the only one who really wished Ryder could have gotten a framed copy of one the drawings mentioned by the child excited about seeing new friendly aliens? I think something like that would have been a rather sweet memento for Ryder to place on their wall or desk. Rather than one of the numerous pictures of them making and facilitating peaceful First Contact with the Angara, the thing they most treasured and took from that event was a simple drawing by an alien child they inspired. It was really heartwarming when you revisit the Aya museum and find the plaques mentioning Ryder and a holo of the Tempest. It didn't really hit me until that point that our arrival was a huge historical moment for the Angara as well.
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*collapses* This HAS TO STOP! I have been sick for a whole month now! This cough is going to kill me soon... I have been playing MEA and trying not to smack my head into my controller form the coughing fits. The Mumps may be over, but it sure ruined my respiratory system.
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Post by FemShepard'sPie on Apr 3, 2017 22:31:04 GMT
I'm still catching up upthread so I'm not sure if this has been answered, but what-y what what about a romantic outfit??? *looks around* In May if you bought the Deluxe or Super Deluxe, you get a new outfit for romances. Well, just dang. And here is the first time I didn't even consider the Deluxe version of a game and now I'm kinda regretting it. Lol
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on Apr 3, 2017 22:31:07 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Jaardan actually are the Angara... at least in sense.
Fearing that they'd be destroyed by their enemy, the Jaardan might have created the Angara to serve as the perfect camouflage. Their enemy would assume the Jaardan had fled or been wiped out completely, while they secretly bid their time and uploaded their consciousness into the minds of their creations.
That's why the Angara have some kind of genetic memory and ability to access Remnant technology, because they are both creator and creation.
Obviously something went horribly wrong with the transfer process, leaving the Angara with only half-remembered memories of a time they roamed the stars and not truly understanding their strange connection to Remnant tech. They believe that the Remnant tech was used by their ancestors, but don't realise that they actually are the Remnant.
The Angara are a fallen empire who doesn't remember falling down. Oh wow! That's amazing and very plausible! Reminds me almost of the elves in DA and TES. They were once a higher power and became something weaker, a former shell of their once greatness and great empire. As long as no one pulls a Solas, it's all good. As soon as we discover that Jaal is the reincarnation of the Jardaan who caused this whole mess, I'm out. I'll take Reapers over that In all seriousness, I don't think Jaal would care. He already believes that the angara make their own fate, independent of their creators. Would it make any difference if their creators left them some ancestral memory as well as biology?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:33:36 GMT
Oh wow! That's amazing and very plausible! Reminds me almost of the elves in DA and TES. They were once a higher power and became something weaker, a former shell of their once greatness and great empire. As long as no one pulls a Solas, it's all good. As soon as we discover that Jaal is the reincarnation of the Jardaan who caused this whole mess, I'm out. I'll take Reapers over that In all seriousness, I don't think Jaal would care. He already believes that the angara make their own fate, independent of their creators. Would it make any difference if their creators left them some ancestral memory as well as biology? It makes the Angara very vital for upcoming games. They might have the knowledge needed to stop the Scourge if they can remember.
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Post by chococri on Apr 3, 2017 22:33:52 GMT
In May if you bought the Deluxe or Super Deluxe, you get a new outfit for romances. Well, just dang. And here is the first time I didn't even consider the Deluxe version of a game and now I'm kinda regretting it. Lol I brought it for the Pyjak. Theres no lie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:35:56 GMT
During the sidequest where you send messages from the Angara back to the Nexus, was I the only one who really wished Ryder could have gotten a framed copy of one the drawings mentioned by the child excited about seeing new friendly aliens? I think something like that would have been a rather sweet memento for Ryder to place on their wall or desk. Rather than one of the numerous pictures of them making and facilitating peaceful First Contact with the Angara, the thing they most treasured and took from that event was a simple drawing by an alien child they inspired. It was really heartwarming when you revisit the Aya museum and find the plaques mentioning Ryder and a holo of the Tempest. It didn't really hit me until that point that our arrival was a huge historical moment for the Angara as well. I would have loved that!
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 3, 2017 22:36:06 GMT
In regards to the second spoiler That's contradicted by the very fact that Angaran still can't figure out rem tech to a decent extent despite having centuries to do so. So either that's BS or we have another case of humans are special (and I really hope that's not the case). Considering to even learn to use Rem-tech involves a great deal of pain most likely an AI will always be needed for the first steps and not that many people are gonna be willing to have an AI stuck in their head to get to the point where they can learn it alone. Agreed on everyone eventually going their separate ways tho. It's easier to do something once someone has already done it. Also, consider that the Angara have been at war for almost a century. They lost a ton of their culture when the Kett arrived, and the majority of their scientific resources have gone towards battling the Kett. Think of how the knowledge of Aya's vault is lost because of one person. If the Kett are no longer a threat, if the Angara are able to discover their lost colonies, and/or if they're able to consolidate their resources/access Initiative resources I bet their research would accelerate significantly. I mean, I personally think it should take a while for random bandits to figure out, but they put it in that console for a reason. I'm guessing it's because they want to plant the seed that Ryder isn't going to be the only one able to do this for very long. True but them forgetting how to do it just because they're at war with the Kett (especially considering they'd need said resources against the Kett) is already hitting my this doesn't make much sense button. If it was as easy to learn as that console suggests (remember they did used to have AI so it's not like they didn't have the first steps to learning the language there) the knowledge should've been widespread enough that the Kett attack shouldn't have completely obliterated it to its current level.
The only way it makes sense is if an AI is always necessary otherwise the pain is completely unbearable for the vast majority of people. Which would be a reasonable solution more people will learn how to do it but by no means will it be some common thing ever. Most likely you'll always need an AI to use a majority of Remnant tech reliably and safely with few exceptions (like opening/closing the doors as the sages do). Thus once they lost the AI and then the people who relied on the AI most of their ability to use it vanished.
Oh I agree that doesn't make it any less absurd tho. If the Angaran hadn't been developed and had that tech on their planets all along I'd get it. But as it is it's laughable that humans need to show them how to use the tech that's been sitting on their planet all this time and they can all learn it. The AI being a requirement for anything massive would really solve most of that humans are special BS.
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Post by MelissaGT on Apr 3, 2017 22:36:36 GMT
I must admit that I start out trying to read everything...and then it gets tedious with 5 datapads in every room, lol. I do recommend reading your email .. all of them, as tedious as it may seem, after the last critical mission. Seriously, the easter eggs in there are well worth going through all of them. Oh I read all the emails for sure. I'm just terrible about reading every console on random quests, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:40:13 GMT
It's easier to do something once someone has already done it. Also, consider that the Angara have been at war for almost a century. They lost a ton of their culture when the Kett arrived, and the majority of their scientific resources have gone towards battling the Kett. Think of how the knowledge of Aya's vault is lost because of one person. If the Kett are no longer a threat, if the Angara are able to discover their lost colonies, and/or if they're able to consolidate their resources/access Initiative resources I bet their research would accelerate significantly. I mean, I personally think it should take a while for random bandits to figure out, but they put it in that console for a reason. I'm guessing it's because they want to plant the seed that Ryder isn't going to be the only one able to do this for very long. True but them forgetting how to do it just because they're at war with the Kett (especially considering they'd need said resources against the Kett) is already hitting my this doesn't make much sense button. If it was as easy to learn as that console suggests (remember they did used to have AI so it's not like they didn't have the first steps to learning the language there) the knowledge should've been widespread enough that the Kett attack shouldn't have completely obliterated it to its current level.
The only way it makes sense is if an AI is always necessary otherwise the pain is completely unbearable for the vast majority of people. Which would be a reasonable solution more people will learn how to do it but by no means will it be some common thing ever. Most likely you'll always need an AI to use a majority of Remnant tech reliably and safely with few exceptions (like opening/closing the doors as the sages do).
Oh I agree that doesn't make it any less absurd tho. If the Angaran hadn't been developed and had that tech on their planets all along I'd get it. But as it is it's laughable that humans need to show them how to use the tech that's been sitting on their planet all this time and they can all learn it. Chances are the Jaardan removed that knowledge until the time was right, and once they hit the "on" switch things might get crazy. They made the Angara for some unknown reason, and fashioned them after them in looks it seems, but why strip them of the knowledge needed to stop the Kett? I'm hoping this is part of a future plot and not another dark matter story that gets shafted.
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Post by fadburger on Apr 3, 2017 22:44:48 GMT
Well, just dang. And here is the first time I didn't even consider the Deluxe version of a game and now I'm kinda regretting it. Lol I brought it for the Pyjak. Theres no lie. Yeah the pyjack and the extra casual outfit were enough to convince me to get the deluxe lol
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Post by FemShepard'sPie on Apr 3, 2017 22:45:19 GMT
Just doing the message sidequest and came upon...eek already forgot her name. Starts with a 'D'. She tries to quietly scan you but SAM tells on her lol.
Anyway, I was hoping they'd go into more detail because I couldn't remember if they did, regarding Angaran biology. But they didn't. :-( Aside from that, did anyone else feel a bit of foreshadowing when she mentions the future and what it will look like, after mentioning how much Angaran value family? I know Sara replies saying the woman is scared the MW folk will take over, but I couldn't help but wonder how much it could hint at Sara's future with Jaal? Just maybe?
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