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Post by caladrius on Mar 24, 2017 9:22:42 GMT
Update on the Reyes/Vetra line mentioned before: Okay, the Vetra response about Reyes is actually horrible. If you pick the "something less fancy than a queen" response you say maybe a "consort or something" and she says you at least deserve to be a "baroness". I could overlook the first one, but with TWO FEMALE TITLES, they definitely just wrote her lines without planning for a male romance at all. Like, really, really blatantly. That's pretty fucked.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 9:23:46 GMT
Update on the Reyes/Vetra line mentioned before: Okay, the Vetra response about Reyes is actually horrible. If you pick the "something less fancy than a queen" response you say maybe a "consort or something" and she says you at least deserve to be a "baroness". I could overlook the first one, but with TWO FEMALE TITLES, they definitely just wrote her lines without planning for a male romance at all. Like, really, really blatantly. That's pretty fucked. Incredible. I don't like saying lazy but...yeah that's lazy. They couldn't even be bothered to use a gender neutral term? Smh.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 24, 2017 9:30:41 GMT
Update on the Reyes/Vetra line mentioned before: Okay, the Vetra response about Reyes is actually horrible. If you pick the "something less fancy than a queen" response you say maybe a "consort or something" and she says you at least deserve to be a "baroness". I could overlook the first one, but with TWO FEMALE TITLES, they definitely just wrote her lines without planning for a male romance at all. Like, really, really blatantly. That's pretty fucked.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 24, 2017 9:30:53 GMT
I figured I'd give you guys a heads up. My husband has taken an extra day off from work and I haven't seen much at all lately due to him working extra hours. I've had bit of a rough time personally and I need to spend time with my family. In about an hour, I'm going to log off for the weekend.
I promise that I will be around some. I'll be here when my husband is asleep and I'll make sure to check in on this thread as well as the two m/m romance concerns threads every now and then. However, I won't be around very much aside from that until Monday. I got intense with someone that I never meant to get that intense with, ended up making a fool out of myself and I feel like a jerk about it as well. When I'm doing that, I know it's time for a bit of a break.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:40:06 GMT
I think Reyes was straight.
I also think months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content.
So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi.
"We're very happy with the specifics..."
Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 9:43:29 GMT
I figured I'd give you guys a heads up. My husband has taken an extra day off from work and I haven't seen much at all lately due to him working extra hours. I've had bit of a rough time personally and I need to spend time with my family. In about an hour, I'm going to log off for the weekend. I promise that I will be around some. I'll be here when my husband is asleep and I'll make sure to check in on this thread as well as the two m/m romance concerns threads every now and then. However, I won't be around very much aside from that until Monday. I got intense with someone that I never meant to get that intense with, ended up making a fool out of myself and I feel like a jerk about it as well. When I'm doing that, I know it's time for a bit of a break. Take a break, and take care.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:43:49 GMT
Reyes was straight. Two months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content. So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi. "We're very happy with the specifics..." Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were. I agree with every bit of that salt. It breaks my gay "doesn't make sense" heart.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 9:44:32 GMT
Reyes was straight. Two months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content. So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi. "We're very happy with the specifics..." Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were. So, for a while, we had one m/m option in the game?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:52:39 GMT
Reyes was straight. Two months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content. So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi. "We're very happy with the specifics..." Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were. So, for a while, we had one m/m option in the game? That's my very strong suspicion. Like everything about Reyes romance shows he was written for Sara first and Scott was hastily added at the last minute without any necessary changes so it registers Reyes is actually with a man, both in dialogue and in animations. Its jarring and insulting. They really don't care, and what's worse, I genuinely think they thought we'd just be ok with all this. It says to me they really do live in a bubble and have no real grasp on the fanbase of theirs that isn't the straight male demographic. Even then they arguably have no clue, given Cora and HairGate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:53:42 GMT
Not the exact quote, but they did say something to the effect of "Every orientation gets at least one option". We all assumed that meant at least one bi male and one gay male. However, now I think they really meant there was at least 1 m/m option back then. I mean given how poorly it was animated and lines like above "It makes sense".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 24, 2017 9:54:38 GMT
I think Reyes was straight. I also think months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content. So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi. "We're very happy with the specifics..." Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were. Other way around. Reyes, or rather a character matching his description, was leaked as a m/m romance option long before Gil was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:56:19 GMT
I think Reyes was straight. I also think months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content. So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi. "We're very happy with the specifics..." Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were. Other way around. Reyes, or rather a character matching his description, was leaked as a m/m romance option long before Gil was. Then why are the animations only properly done for the female romance?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:56:57 GMT
There is some serious stupidity here. Like it's kinda amazing that they've alienated both the anti-SJWS and the LGBT community. I think... I mean I know it is technically there story but, personal biases on their part absolutely reek (asari and Cora's perfect kissing animations and ass fml)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 24, 2017 9:58:22 GMT
Other way around. Reyes, or rather a character matching his description, was leaked as a m/m romance option long before Gil was. Then why are the animations only properly done for the female romance? Haven't seen the scenes so can't comment. I'm just pointing out Reyes was leaked as an option for Scott months before Gil was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:00:14 GMT
I think Reyes was straight. I also think months before release or so someone pointed out us gays only has Gil, and... he has like no content. So as per there "rule" of adding more to balance things out rather than change a character's sexuality they... did a half assed job of changing Reyes to bi. "We're very happy with the specifics..." Well I'm not happy with how specific this team were in making sure at every turn it is so blatant how lazy and uncaring you were. Other way around. Reyes, or rather a character matching his description, was leaked as a m/m romance option long before Gil was. Then it's even more nonsensical and a huge insult to me that more effort went into Sara's animations with him than making them both equal. They clearly were uncomfortable with m/m content, it's obvious in the way they block so many of the kissing of the m/m romances like you barely seem them actual touch lips as if it's too icky for them. Their fix or apology whenever or whatever it may be will probably never be enough for me to forgive them for this, and the making us wait and in limbo and stringing us along with false hope just so we'd buy the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:00:24 GMT
Then why are the animations only properly done for the female romance? Haven't seen the scenes so can't comment. I'm just pointing out Reyes was leaked as an option for Scott months before Gil was. the only thing that would disprove though is the time frame. He could still be a very late addition originally just for Sara. Which seems very likely given the scene with Vetra calling us all sort of female titles apparently.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 10:00:32 GMT
So, for a while, we had one m/m option in the game? That's my very strong suspicion. Like everything about Reyes romance shows he was written for Sara first and Scott was hastily added at the last minute without any necessary changes so it registers Reyes is actually with a man, both in dialogue and in animations. Its jarring and insulting. They really don't care, and what's worse, I genuinely think they thought we'd just be ok with all this. It says to me they really do live in a bubble and have no real grasp on the fanbase of theirs that isn't the straight male demographic. Even then they arguably have no clue, given Cora and HairGate. They actually thought that a single, non squadmate m/m romance with way less content than other romances was enough? I actually can't believe how bad the situation is.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 24, 2017 10:09:33 GMT
If Reyes was ever written to be anything but bisexual, I would be shocked. I've thought he would be bi since we first heard about him, because he ticks every box for their usual "promiscuous bisexual" types. I think whoever wrote that line for Vetra was just not thinking of the male side of the romance at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:11:06 GMT
Some people were very quick to dismiss all the people leaving the project over the course of the game.
But so many were right, and it is clear those early warning signs were clearly indicative of the developmental troubles with this game. It shows in every area, a sort of internal conflict, the story, the writing, the characters. It's like one half of the team is trying to take them in one direction, the other taking them in the opposite.
The game is, especially in comparison to the other three games, a bit of a mess, and I'm not just talking about m/m romances here.
The terrible handling of m/m romances is indicative of wider spread problems and issues in regards to the handling and development of this game in my opinion.
Ultimately they needed more time, and just a bunch of culling the stuff that really just needlessly bloats the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:14:30 GMT
Some people were very quick to dismiss all the people leaving the project over the course of the game. But so many were right, and it is clear those early warning signs were clearly indicative of the developmental troubles with this game. It shows in every area, a sort of internal conflict, the story, the writing, the characters. It's like one half of the team is trying to take them in one direction, the other taking them in the opposite. The game is, especially in comparison to the other three games, a bit of a mess, and I'm not just talking about m/m romances here. The terrible handling of m/m romances is indicative of wider spread problems and issues in regards to the handling and development of this game in my opinion. Ultimately they needed more time, and just a bunch of culling the stuff that really just needlessly bloats the game. Can we please take exploration out of the description of all future BioWare games? I miss when we had well designed levels/areas in games. Extra space for nothing should have never been a feature.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 24, 2017 10:18:19 GMT
I feel like this is something that should probably be pointed out to the devs as a really bad mistake, if anyone with Twitter wants to do it. I'm not saying be a total dick, but they definitely need to be more aware than this.
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Post by Panda on Mar 24, 2017 10:28:19 GMT
No matter if Reyes was written first as straight or bi, he's m/m side was clearly just based on f/m side, they did f/m side first and then changed up something up for m/m and didn't even do that properly. The animation is lot less polished with m/m and even Vetra is defaulted to if Reyes was always with female PC even with Scott.
This It has to make sense™ 's problem is that they first seem to create tons of straight characters and then realize that they are lacking f/f and m/m romances so they maybe modify one or two as bi or make new characters mostly to be LIs and then they don't even properly focus on that so outcome is half-assed.
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Post by nougat on Mar 24, 2017 11:32:54 GMT
If there was any ambiguity about Jaal being an option for both Ryders, after game itself and specifically Sara Ryder trailer, there is none now. His character is very clearly being sold as the new alien husband (now with nudity!™) and "the romance" for Sara. No need even bringing up other sexualities, just compare animation meticulousness for both straight Sara [squadmate] options - Jaal and Liam. Very telling. He's like Cullen, in a way. Obligatory nudity outside of romance, plot importance, NPC not shutting up about how great Cullen/Jaal is, devs gushing about. Ugh. So, buckle up for another insufferable ~~canon~~ F/M pairing. The real problem is MEA [squadmate] romance options being exactly the same as decade earlier, in ME1. Straight male - the most, lesbian and straight females - the same amount, gay male pc - zero. Stay classy, ME team.
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Post by ash on Mar 24, 2017 11:34:06 GMT
I had 13 hours of sleep and now I can't think of anything but the fact that devs themselves probably can't understand their code. Or it's the wrong build (which would be very funny). I mean, Kallo's concave ass (and him not wanting to sit down) is still in game, despite them saying they fixed it. Ten out of ten, Bioware, are you even trying. Good morning, everyone.
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Post by Panda on Mar 24, 2017 11:38:53 GMT
At one point I was wondering if I would have to choose between Jaal and Kallo with my male!Ryder.. Once again I got my hopes too up
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