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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 12, 2017 12:14:23 GMT
So I just played as a vanilla Asari Adept in a room full of Tech. There was a Tsent spamming Overload, an AIU spamming Snap Freeze, and a Batarian Soldier spamming Inferno Grenades.
Well, SMART ones would have been. These guys just kinda mopped the floor with their faces, but when they weren't doing that, they were using Tech Powers.
My solo protocol for say, a Scion or Praetorian, would go like this:
Warp > Shoot Wraith with Warp Ammo > Shoot Wraith with Warp Ammo > Hide Reload with Throw (Biotic Explosion) > Repeat
Well it happened in ME3MP, and it will happen in MEAMP, players will cry that Tech Primers Overwrite Biotic Primers. They have their little hearts set on a Biotic Explosion, and then a Tech Burst happens. Or a Fire Explosion. Or a Cryo Explosion. And they feel small and inadequate and come to the forums to complain, and suggest bullshit changes to the game, such as completely segregating Tech and Biotic, removing what little interactivity they have.
First these people need to understand how Primers work. Your Biotic Primer does NOT get "Overwritten" by a Tech Primer. It goes on a Stack, and the most recent Primer applied is at the top of the Stack. When the target is hit with a Detonator, whether it be Tech or Biotic, the Stack resolves from top to bottom, and the Detonator will detonate the first valid Primer it finds. This means that if you Primed it with Warp, and Joe Turian hits it with Overload, then you Throw, since Throw will Detonate both Tech and Biotic Primers, it will find the Overload first, and Detonate that. (See Footnote 1)
This is what people cry about, and there is a very simple solution to this, one which does not require drastic, sweeping changes to the game and interactivity of the various Powers. Are you ready for it? Here it is:
Throw again.
That's really it! It is that motherfucking simple. If you do your Biotic Detonator, and you get a Tech combo, do your Detonator a second time. It's not rocket medicine.
I just one-clipped a Scion with that team, because we had so many Primers going on it. I did my solo protocol, but teammates arrived in the interrim. This is how it actually went down:
Warp > Shoot Wraith with Warp Ammo > Shoot Wraith with Warp Ammo > Throw (Fire Explosion) > Throw Again (Cryo Explosion) > Throw Again > Biotic Explosion
Scion didn't know what hit him. It was amazing.
TL;DR if you are a Biotic Whiner, L2P, Git Gud, fite me IRL
#Get SalMasRekt
(Footnote 1: If your Detonator is something like Reave, it doesn't interact with Tech. So it would skip past Overload on the Primer Stack, since it can't Detonate it, continue down the Stack and find Warp, which it CAN interact with, and it would Detonate that. Your Warp Primer did not get erased, it was still there all along. Additionally, Biotic Primers have long durations, meaning you have ample time to Detonate the Stack to get down to them eventually.)
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Post by kinggavorn on Feb 12, 2017 13:07:54 GMT
Aaaaaand that's why I never play in public games !
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Post by TheWhiteWolf on Feb 12, 2017 13:41:17 GMT
But, I want teh big BOOM!
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Post by Kenny Bania on Feb 12, 2017 17:13:19 GMT
How well does that work when you're a human adept with a snap freeze spammer? Can't double throw then, can you?
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 12, 2017 18:11:28 GMT
So I just played as a vanilla Asari Adept in a room full of Tech. There was a Tsent spamming Overload, an AIU spamming Snap Freeze, and a Batarian Soldier spamming Inferno Grenades. So you're one of those people who play biotics in a tech squad. Here, let me show you to the airlock.
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Post by derrame on Feb 12, 2017 19:42:56 GMT
i have much experience in me3mp tech combinations or explosions are almost useles, dnt do any damage, biotic and biotic explosions are way more useful than tech, with a hich rate reload power time, the biotic explosions are everywhere and they overwhelm the tech powers completely the tech whiners keep shooting and throwing powes in vain biotics go forward, fast, relentless, the tech whiners are almost useless for combat anyone has the right to play with the cahracter/powers he/she wants, if two or more players use tech and there are tech explosions, ok good, if two or more players use biotics and there are biotic explosions it's good too, there will always be someone you can combine your powers with and if i feel like to use an egineer, i'll play as one, or i feel like to play as a biotic, i'll do it i don' see any kind of problem here if someone does not take cover or runs and gets killed over and over again it's his/her problem you want to be careful and take cover, do it
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Post by MPApr2012 on Feb 12, 2017 20:35:22 GMT
that's a great write up, 've lost count how many times had to explain it, thanks. this has its place in the reourcse librbary, DragonRacer pretty please??
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Post by lynroy on Feb 12, 2017 21:12:38 GMT
It still amazes me how many players do not know this.
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Post by DragonRacer on Feb 12, 2017 21:48:22 GMT
that's a great write up, 've lost count how many times had to explain it, thanks. this has its place in the reourcse librbary, DragonRacer pretty please?? Added it to the ME3MP Resource Library for now, since we don't know 100% for sure how things will or won't operate in MEAMP. We can make educated guesses, but until then... If things work the same, feel free to poke me as a reminder to add it to the MEAMP Resource Library, too.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Feb 12, 2017 21:57:07 GMT
that's a great write up, 've lost count how many times had to explain it, thanks. this has its place in the reourcse librbary, DragonRacer pretty please?? Added it to the ME3MP Resource Library for now, since we don't know 100% for sure how things will or won't operate in MEAMP. We can make educated guesses, but until then... If things work the same, feel free to poke me as a reminder to add it to the MEAMP Resource Library, too. thank you ...speaking of which, where is the MEAMP resource libraryr then?
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Post by DragonRacer on Feb 12, 2017 22:10:35 GMT
Added it to the ME3MP Resource Library for now, since we don't know 100% for sure how things will or won't operate in MEAMP. We can make educated guesses, but until then... If things work the same, feel free to poke me as a reminder to add it to the MEAMP Resource Library, too. thank you ...speaking of which, where is the MEAMP resource libraryr then? Well, the other two threads I have in mind to add as the first for the new Library don't quite have links yet. Sort of. One is a person ready to start a Google Doc of info and the other is a person working on a character builder, and both are in "ready to start" mode due to not having much MEAMP knowledge available yet. I likely won't open the MEAMP Resource Library until we have some solid info to go on. Obviously, it'll be up before early access starts, but my HOPE is BioWare will give us something a little more substantial before then that would give me a better launching pad. Soon™
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 12, 2017 22:26:51 GMT
How well does that work when you're a human adept with a snap freeze spammer? Can't double throw then, can you? Then I would type: givepower self liftgrenade Then hit all the ammo boxes and throw them all off the side of the map so that the spammer would no longer be able to activate their Crutch Matrix and die every wave. But that's on PC.
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 12, 2017 23:56:34 GMT
How well does that work when you're a human adept with a snap freeze spammer? Can't double throw then, can you? Then I would type: givepower self liftgrenade Then hit all the ammo boxes and throw them all off the side of the map so that the spammer would no longer be able to activate their Crutch Matrix and die every wave. But that's on PC. Neither my Paladin nor my sexbot use grenades. Checkmate.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 13, 2017 0:07:12 GMT
Then I would type: givepower self liftgrenade Then hit all the ammo boxes and throw them all off the side of the map so that the spammer would no longer be able to activate their Crutch Matrix and die every wave. But that's on PC. Neither my Paladin nor my sexbot use grenades. Checkmate. Well honestly I wouldn't care because it's a team-oriented game and I'm a team-oriented player and a boom is a boom. Besides Throw is a pretty quick CD anyway. If you're on PC I challenge you to prevent me from making Biotic Explosions, I guarantee you can't.
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 13, 2017 0:20:45 GMT
Neither my Paladin nor my sexbot use grenades. Checkmate. Well honestly I wouldn't care because it's a team-oriented game and I'm a team-oriented player and a boom is a boom. Whatever helps you sleep at night ... cryo slave.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 13, 2017 0:30:41 GMT
Well honestly I wouldn't care because it's a team-oriented game and I'm a team-oriented player and a boom is a boom. Whatever helps you sleep at night ... cryo slave. Says the guy who omitted my challenge from the quoted reply
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Post by DragonRacer on Feb 13, 2017 0:55:02 GMT
Do I smell a Thunderdome a-brewin'?
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 13, 2017 0:59:45 GMT
Do I smell a Thunderdome a-brewin'? No, because the people who complain about this don't do themed duos, and the people who do themed duos don't complain about this. The complaints come from public matches, so if he accepts, then we will have a public match. We can Thunderdome too, but the only thing it will prove is how he can Get SalMasRekt
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Post by Abramsrunner on Feb 13, 2017 1:11:35 GMT
Also, doesn't the rank 5 Recharge Combo on Throw apply to tech explosions, if there is an underlying biotic primer on the same target with a tech primer over it?
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 13, 2017 2:35:08 GMT
that's still nowhere near as bad as the blue ending
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 13, 2017 2:57:55 GMT
Part of the problem exists with the attitude and mindset of players. They are selfish, and feel personally cheated and offended when they don't get a Biotic Explosion on-demand. Biotic Powers that can detonate Tech are something to be glad, not mad, about, because that makes you the Biotic Bomber who can detonate everything. As fast as your teammates can apply Primers, you can detonate them, leaving them free to keep reapplying Primers rather than detonating themselves. If you're with players who realize this, the results can be rather impressive.
Not to mention there are some Tech kits who CAN'T self-detonate. Be a pal and help them out!
Or Explosion Whore, if you prefer. This is BSN after all.
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Post by zorinho20 on Feb 13, 2017 5:25:47 GMT
Oops,I was TGI in full biotic squad 😊 But,if I were politely asked to change kit to biotic...
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 13, 2017 5:34:24 GMT
Oops,I was TGI in full biotic squad 😊 But,if I were politely asked to change kit to biotic... I wouldn't have asked. Overload away! They have the largest AoE radius of all the Tech combos, stagger, and strip shields, surely the competant Biotics in your team can appreciate that. And with 3 of them and 1 of you, I don't think you'd be erasing any significant amount of Biotic Explosions. Welcome to the team!
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Post by zorinho20 on Feb 13, 2017 5:59:11 GMT
Oops,I was TGI in full biotic squad 😊 But,if I were politely asked to change kit to biotic... I wouldn't have asked. Overload away! They have the largest AoE radius of all the Tech combos, stagger, and strip shields, surely the competant Biotics in your team can appreciate that. And with 3 of them and 1 of you, I don't think you'd be erasing any significant amount of Biotic Explosions. Welcome to the team! Well,tbh I was relating to game we both were participating.I was up for few more games with fellow forumite,but you alas bailed.
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