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Post by Gilli on Feb 23, 2017 0:53:04 GMT
The guys who put DAI ahead of the other two games, who did you guys romance there? Josie, Cassandra, Solas, Dorian in that order. Liked Dorian's romance the most so far. Currently romancing Cullen, then Sera. Also started a dwarf who will romance Blackwall. I won't romance Bull.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 23, 2017 1:02:54 GMT
Yes, I would say they moved from Medieval to more Renaissance up to 18th century fashions. That said, you do have a variety of armors to choose from, so if you don't like a certain armor on the PC, there are always other options. I'd say check out youtube vids to see the difference between what a character looks like in cut scenes versus what they look like in the midst of a fight. One thing you might like is the crafting. You craft weapons and armor with the metals, leather, and cloth you gather while moving through the environments, looting dead enemies, or purchasing from shops. The specific materials you use endow armor and weapons with specific characteristics. Rune crafting is also more logical and straightforward. Anyhow, soon you'll have Andromeda to immerse yourself in, so you may not even thing of DA again until DA4 comes out. I have a crafting ptsd after playing MMOs. If I don't have to find another resource, research a schematic and make a prefab, I will cry happy tears. At least in MMOs you can buy and sell from other players, that makes it more entertaining. The raison d'être in a single player game... eludes me. I want to get gear off the still warm corpses of my dead enemies! Crafting/Gathering is one of the essential reasons I do NOT want to play Inquisition. Along with the other boring MMO components without the fun MMO components imo, of course. Sorry, I have very specific things I look for in a videogame, and I have aesthetic preferences that are odd, I know. The Inquisition's big part for me an MMO simulator, without another players (this latter not always bad). But even in WoW, TESO, I hated to gather and only rarely enjoyed the daly quests. In Inquisition there are too much "daily quests"... I feel like working, and I have enough work. So, probably your preferences are not too odd.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Feb 23, 2017 1:33:17 GMT
One thing you might like is the crafting. You craft weapons and armor with the metals, leather, and cloth you gather while moving through the environments, looting dead enemies, or purchasing from shops. The specific materials you use endow armor and weapons with specific characteristics. Rune crafting is also more logical and straightforward. Anyhow, soon you'll have Andromeda to immerse yourself in, so you may not even thing of DA again until DA4 comes out. Also really liked the various textures and tinting; especially some of the leathers and cloths. Some really make you want to reach out and touch them. Trying to match wyvern skin and plaid weave, etc. Good times. I've spent more time fooling around playing dress up and picking the best material and color combinations for each character then I would like to admit. I've spent an insane amount of time crafting fire resistant or cold resistant armor for dragon fights. Last time I did Trespasser, I had to craft a special electricity resistant and magic resistant armor to fight the monster Sarebas. For myself, I always craft for function then use the tinting table if the end result looks ridiculous.
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Post by ilsen on Feb 23, 2017 2:28:14 GMT
The Iron Bull romance has some of the funniest lines in the game, but not everyone is equipped to ride the Bull.
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Post by Gilli on Feb 23, 2017 2:31:17 GMT
The Iron Bull romance has some of the funniest lines in the game, but not everyone is equipped to ride the Bull. Do you mean Cullen, Josie & Co walking in on him and the Inquisitor? I find that more embarrassing than funny. Also I don't like how he "knows what I need".
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 23, 2017 3:22:01 GMT
The Iron Bull romance has some of the funniest lines in the game, but not everyone is equipped to ride the Bull. Do you mean Cullen, Josie & Co walking in on him and the Inquisitor? I find that more embarrassing than funny. Also I don't like how he "knows what I need". Gilli is a strong, independent woman who don't need no Bull
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Post by Gilli on Feb 23, 2017 3:30:19 GMT
Do you mean Cullen, Josie & Co walking in on him and the Inquisitor? I find that more embarrassing than funny. Also I don't like how he "knows what I need". Gilli is a strong, independent woman who don't need no Bull Exactly What do I need Bull if I can cuddle with Josie, or Dorian.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 23, 2017 3:45:14 GMT
Bull's romance is surprisingly good. True, I don't finished the Trespasser yet. He's far from my type, but I'm don't regret, that I gave him a chance. But DA2 m/m romances was better for me. So DA2 has won in this category as well.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 23, 2017 4:30:09 GMT
Bull's romance is surprisingly good. True, I don't finished the Trespasser yet. He's far from my type, but I'm don't regret, that I gave him a chance. But DA2 m/m romances was better for me. So DA2 has won in this category as well. I got kind of suckered into the Bull romance on my first PT. Had planned on Josie for my fem Qunari, but because I wanted as little 'help' as possible, I turned off the dialogue helper icons. This led to conversations with Bull where it all sort evolved organically. By the time I realised I was in a romance with him I just decided to roll with it. Certainly not a ninja-mance on the scale of a Zevran, but still. I liked it, though, and luckily had chosen save the Chargers for when it came time to play Trespasser with that character.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 23, 2017 4:31:16 GMT
Gilli is a strong, independent woman who don't need no Bull Exactly What do I need Bull if I can cuddle with Josie, or Dorian. To be honest, I haven't yet had a 'bad' romance in DA:I. They've all been good so far.
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Post by ilsen on Feb 23, 2017 6:56:54 GMT
The Iron Bull romance has some of the funniest lines in the game, but not everyone is equipped to ride the Bull. Do you mean Cullen, Josie & Co walking in on him and the Inquisitor? I find that more embarrassing than funny. Also I don't like how he "knows what I need". Some of the related banter is good. But yes, I thought that scene was hilarious. When the third person walks in and Bull says "Oh, for fuck's sake."
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 23, 2017 7:38:22 GMT
Do you mean Cullen, Josie & Co walking in on him and the Inquisitor? I find that more embarrassing than funny. Also I don't like how he "knows what I need". Some of the related banter is good. But yes, I thought that scene was hilarious. When the third person walks in and Bull says "Oh, for fuck's sake." One can only imagine what sight could possibly make Josephine's eyes go so wide
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Post by Gilli on Feb 23, 2017 16:16:00 GMT
Exactly What do I need Bull if I can cuddle with Josie, or Dorian. To be honest, I haven't yet had a 'bad' romance in DA:I. They've all been good so far. That's true. Do you mean Cullen, Josie & Co walking in on him and the Inquisitor? I find that more embarrassing than funny. Also I don't like how he "knows what I need". Some of the related banter is good. But yes, I thought that scene was hilarious. When the third person walks in and Bull says "Oh, for fuck's sake." This is why people invented locks!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 16:30:58 GMT
I am starting to think I am getting the paranoid posters that said Dai was influenced by some dark agendas where romances were concerned. I found a mod that makes Solas look attractive or at least not scary. Yay? Nope. He only romances female elves. And the whole one good thing about dai is that you can finally play a Quanri. It's hopeless....
I guess, my best bet is a male Qunari romancing Dorian?
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Post by deadlydwarf on Feb 23, 2017 17:52:09 GMT
I am starting to think I am getting the paranoid posters that said Dai was influenced by some dark agendas where romances were concerned. I found a mod that makes Solas look attractive or at least not scary. Yay? Nope. He only romances female elves. And the whole one good thing about dai is that you can finally play a Quanri. It's hopeless.... I suppose the DA2 approach of making all romanceable characters "player-sexual" is the only way to please "all of the people, all of the time." I'm not entirely satisfied with the romances available in DAI - or some of the romanceable characters - but I see no dark agenda. The developers chose to make romanceable characters more selective and peculiar in their choices in DAI, as people are in real life. Even the most enlightened have their prejudices or preferences... Solas is an elf who is obsessed with both the Fade and ancient elven culture. Even a Dalish elf who chooses to romance him finds he's not particularly fond of the Dalish. But there are story reasons for Solas being the way he is... The bottom line, you'll have to ultimately play DAI to understand whether those paranoid posters have a point....or are just paranoid. FWIW, I recently did PT's with female elves who romanced Solas. I found the relationships complemented DA lore and more specifically, the place of elves in the DA universe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:05:39 GMT
I am starting to think I am getting the paranoid posters that said Dai was influenced by some dark agendas where romances were concerned. I found a mod that makes Solas look attractive or at least not scary. Yay? Nope. He only romances female elves. And the whole one good thing about dai is that you can finally play a Quanri. It's hopeless.... I suppose the DA2 approach of making all romanceable characters "player-sexual" is the only way to please "all of the people, all of the time." I'm not entirely satisfied with the romances available in DAI - or some of the romanceable characters - but I see no dark agenda. The developers chose to make romanceable characters more selective and peculiar in their choices in DAI, as people are in real life. Even the most enlightened have their prejudices or preferences... Solas is an elf who is obsessed with both the Fade and ancient elven culture. Even a Dalish elf who chooses to romance him finds he's not particularly fond of the Dalish. But there are story reasons for Solas being the way he is... The bottom line, you'll have to ultimately play DAI to understand whether those paranoid posters have a point....or are just paranoid. FWIW, I recently did PT's with female elves who romanced Solas. I found the relationships complemented DA lore and more specifically, the place of elves in the DA universe. I know there is no agenda, and BioWare employed those gates all the time (you wre out of luck as a dwarf, gnome or halfling back in DnD games). Yes, the character may have very valid reasons to prefer the race etc, and be selective, but it's better imo when you can break that gate by really making the character like you, or when the Gate is not excessively narrow. Romancing only one of 4 races, and one of 2 sexes, opens up his romance to only 1 of 8 possible main characters at creation. That's a very tight Gate, which marginalized the romance. Particularly since they finally let you play a Qunari, I bet a lot of players would chose it, and immediately lose 2 romances for a straight female... imo it's a bad design choice. Anyway, male is better which is fairly normal for me, heh.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 23, 2017 18:28:13 GMT
Particularly since they finally let you play a Qunari, I bet a lot of players would chose it, and immediately lose 2 romances for a straight female... imo it's a bad design choice. The thing is, the "gated" romances in Inquisition are all "extras" anyway, and you won't necessarily see less than previous games, even with that in mind. In Origins, you have 2 potential opposite-sex romances and 1 same-sex romance, no matter your character's race or sex. In DA2, they added 1 additional same sex option. And Inquisition didn't increase the base number from DA2, but didn't reduce it, either. All characters have at least 2 opposite-sex romances and 2 same-sex romances. Female humans get one extra "gated" option beyond that, and female elves get two, but nobody gets less than the "standard" for the series.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:32:20 GMT
Particularly since they finally let you play a Qunari, I bet a lot of players would chose it, and immediately lose 2 romances for a straight female... imo it's a bad design choice. The thing is, the "gated" romances in Inquisition are all "extras" anyway, and you won't necessarily see less than previous games, even with that in mind. In Origins, you have 2 potential opposite-sex romances and 1 same-sex romance, no matter your character's race or sex. In DA2, they added 1 additional same sex option. And Inquisition didn't increase the base number from DA2, but didn't reduce it, either. All characters have at least 2 opposite-sex romances and 2 same-sex romances. Female humans get one extra "gated" option beyond that, and female elves get two, but nobody gets less than the "standard" for the series. So as a Qunary female, I have another long romance in addition to the Blackwell (the bushy-bearded guy)? I thought the Iron Bull was a joke sadomasochism kind-of thinggie with some suggestive cutscenes for easy tilitlation from a DLC judging from the comments so really kind of marginally erm... romantic? It's just in DA2, I had two, and both were great, immediately appealing, and, well, both easy to look at, and really hard to chose between. Here it's like... nothing catches my eye?
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Post by Catilina on Feb 23, 2017 18:39:20 GMT
The thing is, the "gated" romances in Inquisition are all "extras" anyway, and you won't necessarily see less than previous games, even with that in mind. In Origins, you have 2 potential opposite-sex romances and 1 same-sex romance, no matter your character's race or sex. In DA2, they added 1 additional same sex option. And Inquisition didn't increase the base number from DA2, but didn't reduce it, either. All characters have at least 2 opposite-sex romances and 2 same-sex romances. Female humans get one extra "gated" option beyond that, and female elves get two, but nobody gets less than the "standard" for the series. So as a Qunary female, I have another long romance in addition to the Blackwell? I thought the Iron Bull was a joke sadomasochism kind-of thinggie with some suggestive cutscenes for easy tilitlation from a DLC judging from the comments so really kind of marginally erm... romantic? It's just in DA2, I had two, and both were great, and really hard to chose between. Here it's like... nothing catches my eye? Bull romance not only about joke (and BDSM – that was a mistake to force this, and to make joke from this – it deter many people), he is more serious than at the beginning. This is a full romance, and not bad at all.
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Post by Nyx on Feb 23, 2017 18:40:47 GMT
I voted DA2 > DAI > DAO. Despite DA2's problems, it has my favorite protagonist, the best relationships between companions, the most relatable villains, and the most relatable story. DAI beats DAO because DAI has fewer companions that annoy the crap out of me, and fewer extremely tedious areas that are unskippable. I do like all three of them, though. I feel the same way as you although I voted DA2 > DAO > DAI. DAI feels like a chore to replay. DAO is more replayable, imo.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 23, 2017 18:47:49 GMT
So as a Qunary female, I have another long romance in addition to the Blackwell (the bushy-bearded guy)? I thought the Iron Bull was a joke sadomasochism kind-of thinggie with some suggestive cutscenes for easy tilitlation from a DLC judging from the comments so really kind of marginally erm... romantic? It's just in DA2, I had two, and both were great, immediately appealing, and, well, both easy to look at, and really hard to chose between. Here it's like... nothing catches my eye? Yeah, Bull and Blackwall are both full, legit romances. Now, granted, there might be aspects of the romance arc that you don't like, but that's something you could potentially encounter in any game (for example, I disliked Isabella's romance arc in DA2, and I felt like Anders' fell apart in the later parts of the game). As Catalina mentioned, forcing the Bull romance to also bring in the S&M aspect was probably not the best decision the writers could have made, but there is definitely a potential emotional aspect to his arc as well.
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Post by ilsen on Feb 23, 2017 19:33:15 GMT
I know there is no agenda, and BioWare employed those gates all the time (you wre out of luck as a dwarf, gnome or halfling back in DnD games). Yes, the character may have very valid reasons to prefer the race etc, and be selective, but it's better imo when you can break that gate by really making the character like you, or when the Gate is not excessively narrow. Romancing only one of 4 races, and one of 2 sexes, opens up his romance to only 1 of 8 possible main characters at creation. That's a very tight Gate, which marginalized the romance. Particularly since they finally let you play a Qunari, I bet a lot of players would chose it, and immediately lose 2 romances for a straight female... imo it's a bad design choice. Anyway, male is better which is fairly normal for me, heh. I'd say it's an incentive to replay. Exclusivity goes a long way to making something special--exactly the opposite of "marginalizing" something. They are only offering Ferrari J50s to 10 people on the planet, but that's not marginalizing it. If Solas just gave it up to everyone, for example, not only would it be fairly unreasonable from a lore standpoint, but it would diminish how special it is for someone who makes an Elven female, against their natural inclinations, just to snare that elusive baldy. There are multiple options for every sex-race combination. Your hypothetical Qunari female still has four choices. Don't really see the issue.
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I know there is no agenda, and BioWare employed those gates all the time (you wre out of luck as a dwarf, gnome or halfling back in DnD games). Yes, the character may have very valid reasons to prefer the race etc, and be selective, but it's better imo when you can break that gate by really making the character like you, or when the Gate is not excessively narrow. Romancing only one of 4 races, and one of 2 sexes, opens up his romance to only 1 of 8 possible main characters at creation. That's a very tight Gate, which marginalized the romance. Particularly since they finally let you play a Qunari, I bet a lot of players would chose it, and immediately lose 2 romances for a straight female... imo it's a bad design choice. Anyway, male is better which is fairly normal for me, heh. I'd say it's an incentive to replay. Exclusivity goes a long way to making something special--exactly the opposite of "marginalizing" something. They are only offering Ferrari J50s to 10 people on the planet, but that's not marginalizing it. If Solas just gave it up to everyone, for example, not only would it be fairly unreasonable from a lore standpoint, but it would diminish how special it is for someone who makes an Elven female, against their natural inclinations, just to snare that elusive baldy. There are multiple options for every sex-race combination. Your hypothetical Qunari female still has four choices. Don't really see the issue. That she might, but I am not attracted to females sexually. It's not an issue, I am looking for the best set up for me. Ideally I want visually appealing characters to chose between with romantic dialogues of interest, rather than actions. I am not interested in replays, so I would put together something that will be the best fit for me. Also, judging by this poll: bsn.boards.net/thread/1661/canon-romancesthe two gated romances are the two most popular ones for the male companions by a huge margin... I absolutely want to play a Qunari, and I saw mods that make Solas and Dorian to be easy on the eyes. I'll take a look for what's available to change Blackwell's appearance, but I have not seen anything as I was browsing. The Iron Bull just sounds bad, I am sorry, I am not really into overt sex based romances, I like the old-fashioned courtship dialogues and perfectly happy with a discrete fade to blacks rather than boobs, butts and riding unicorns... EDIT: okay, there is kind of a bundle of files that has multiple appearances for the Blackwall by elvici, so as long as I can figure out which one of the files corresponds to the drool-worthy face, I can overwrite the files for all three male companions to make them hot, rather than scary looking. Heh, I am having a flash-back to the Baldur's Gate 2 days. Modding to the rescue. EDIT2: Found a mod that takes out the Solas' romance restrictions. Okay, I will need that too, so I can have two romances to chose from.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Feb 23, 2017 20:15:09 GMT
I'd say it's an incentive to replay. Exclusivity goes a long way to making something special--exactly the opposite of "marginalizing" something. They are only offering Ferrari J50s to 10 people on the planet, but that's not marginalizing it. If Solas just gave it up to everyone, for example, not only would it be fairly unreasonable from a lore standpoint, but it would diminish how special it is for someone who makes an Elven female, against their natural inclinations, just to snare that elusive baldy. There are multiple options for every sex-race combination. Your hypothetical Qunari female still has four choices. Don't really see the issue. That she might, but I am not attracted to females sexually. It's not an issue, I am looking for the best set up for me. Ideally I want visually appealing characters to chose between with romantic dialogues of interest, rather than actions. I am not interested in replays, so I would put together something that will be the best fit for me. I absolutely want to play a Qunari, and I saw mods that make Solas and Dorian to be easy on the eyes. I'll take a look for what's available to change Blackwell's appearance, but I have not seen anything as I was browsing. The Iron Bull just sounds bad, I am sorry, I am not really into overt sex based romances, I like the old-fashioned courtship dialogues and perfectly happy with a discrete fade to blacks rather than boobs, butts and riding unicorns...
EDIT: okay, there is kind of a bundle of files that has multiple appearances for the Blackwall by elvici, so as long as I can figure out which one of the files corresponds to the drool-worthy face, I can overwrite the files for all three male companions to make them hot, rather than scary looking. Heh, I am having a flash-back to the Baldur's Gate 2 days. Modding to the rescue.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 23, 2017 20:33:40 GMT
Inquisition and Origins are practically neck and neck... they are the two greatest games of all time. I give the edge to Inquisition because the world design and lore integration just edges it ahead. Both games have amazing characters, stories, and role playing.
DA2 is still quite good, but the rushed development is too evident still and there are some issues with Act 3, though better served now because of lore reveals, that still make the game a bit of a "lesser" experience than Origins or Inquisition.
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