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Post by Iddy on Feb 17, 2017 13:35:22 GMT
One thing I love about this choice to remove or keep the vallaslin is that it's challenging. There is no absolute right and wrong here. That said, what did your character decide and why?
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Post by Gilli on Feb 17, 2017 14:31:02 GMT
Bruce Lavellan - Rift Mage Sylaise - The HearthkeeperIt is Sylaise who gave us fire and taught us how to use it. It is Sylaise who showed us how to heal with herbs and with magic, and how to ease the passage of infants into this world. And again, it is Sylaise who showed us how to spin the fibers of plants into thread and rope. —From Codex entry: Sylaise: the Hearthkeeper The most important things for Bruce are his family and friends. He wants to protect them and heal them when they are hurt. Also he wants to have kids one day, so the Vallaslin of the goddess of all the domestic arts was the most fitting for him. Kiri Lavellan - DW/Tempest Ghilan'nain - Mother of the Halla I chose this Vallaslin for her, because she was my Solasmance Inquisitor and I wanted a Vallaslin that would be so simple, that I wouldn't miss it when Solas removes it. At the same time I think it's really pretty. Kitty Lavellan - (future Knight Enchanter) Falon'Din - Friend of the Dead I chose this Vallaslin for Kitty because I think it's pretty. ...my reasons become simpler and simpler which each Inquisitor.
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Post by Pokemario on Feb 17, 2017 14:39:10 GMT
Ironically, my first Inquisitor wore a Mythal vallaslin If you're referring to the Solas romance scene in which he reveals what the Vallaslin meant in the Ancient Elves' time, I chose to keep it. It doesn't matter what it meant back then, it matters what it means now
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Post by Jarovbees on Feb 17, 2017 15:13:38 GMT
I loved the Mythal design, but I also wasn't willing to change Danae's hair and the bangs cover much of the upper part. So, the simplified version in green. The Inquisitor that was inspired by my Mahariel went with Elgar'nan because she's a salty, salty Dalish and is all about vengeance.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 17, 2017 15:26:59 GMT
Oh... sorry, I should've been more specific, ha ha. I meant the choice to keep or remove it.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 17, 2017 16:05:20 GMT
Felondan Mahariel: Falon'Din – It seemed like a good idea for a Warden. Fenrir Lavellan: June – elf good of the usefull things and his vallaslin looks good on my Lavellan's face. I meant the choice to keep or remove it.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 17, 2017 16:13:25 GMT
Felondan Mahariel: Falon'Din – It seemed like a good idea for a Warden. Fenrir Lavellan: June – elf good of the usefull things and his vallaslin looks good on my Lavellan's face. I meant the choice to keep or remove it.When I sent my post, I didn't saw your note. So, now, that I see your intention, I deleted my post. Problem solved. (This was, what I saw, this was the original version: "One thing I love about this choice is that it's challenging. There is no absolute right and wrong here. That said, what did your character decide and why?")
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Post by lynroy on Feb 17, 2017 16:22:53 GMT
You expect people to read the OP, they usually don't. Then they see the other replies and just follow them. Also, this is character romance related and best suited for that subforum.
OT: I've done both. First Solasmancer was horrified to learn they were slave markings and wanted them gone. The second one could have gone either way, she was right on the fence. She was not surprised by the revelation, she had just met Mythal, but ultimately trusted Solas and allowed him to remove them. The third kept them as the Dalish were not using them to mark slaves and her clan had been destroyed. She didn't want to get rid of it when she was the only one left in her clan.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 17, 2017 16:25:15 GMT
You expect people to read the OP, they usually don't. Then they see the other replies and just follow them. Also, this is character romance related and best suited for that subforum. OT: I've done both. First Solasmancer was horrified to learn they were slave markings and wanted them gone. The second one could have gone either way, she was right on the fence. She was not surprised by the revelation, she had just met Mythal, but ultimately trusted Solas and allowed him to remove them. The third kept them as the Dalish were not using them to mark slaves and her clan had been destroyed. She didn't want to get rid of it when she was the only one left in her clan. Well, thank you for taking the time to read it.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 17, 2017 17:15:12 GMT
My canon Lavellan had them removed, mostly because she was horrified by what Solas revealed about them and for her this happened after the Temple of Mythal, so she wasn't so enchanted with the elven past after reading some of the stories and encountering Abelas' attitude about the Dalish.
The vallaslin might mean something different now, but they're still intended to be a mark of reverence for the elven gods and Elvhenan, which she didn't revere so much any more.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 17, 2017 17:35:10 GMT
My canon Lavellan had them removed, mostly because she was horrified by what Solas revealed about them and for her this happened after the Temple of Mythal, so she wasn't so enchanted with the elven past after reading some of the stories and encountering Abelas' attitude about the Dalish. The vallaslin might mean something different now, but they're still intended to be a mark of reverence for the elven gods and Elvhenan, which she didn't revere so much any more. The vallaslin may represent the affiliation, identification as well. And can mean, what this "god" represents: the protection, the hunt, the craft, the secrets, the deads etc. So: the question not so easy. But ptobably my decision would be same: removing. By the way, it's annoying, that the male (or non-romanced) elf Inquisitor don't get this choice, if s/he's "just" Solas' friend.
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Post by vit246 on Feb 17, 2017 17:43:33 GMT
My first elf kept it, because as far as she's concerned, it was not a slave mark, and the context for it being a slave mark hadn't existed for thousands of years. Its everything the Dalish say it is. She chose it. For her Gods. For her people. For herself. Not for some master. Nobody forced it on her. Nobody will take it away. Not a God. Not herself. Her conviction is not so weak as to throw away everything on the mere words of a bald elf and she's not arrogant or cruel enough to try taking away this traditionthat has done nothing but give her people strength and esteem.
And she's the type to preserve stuff for posterity.
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Post by Gilli on Feb 17, 2017 18:22:18 GMT
When I sent my post, I didn't saw your note. So, now, that I see your intention, I deleted my post. Problem solved. (This was, what I saw, this was the original version: "One thing I love about this choice is that it's challenging. There is no absolute right and wrong here. That said, what did your character decide and why?")
Same here. I saw the title, read the post (the lines above) and went with posting all my Lavellans, instead of just my Solasromance.
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Post by Pokemario on Feb 17, 2017 18:55:19 GMT
You expect people to read the OP, they usually don't. Then they see the other replies and just follow them. Also, this is character romance related and best suited for that subforum. The thing that confused me was not so much the OP (which was worded differently) as the fact that the vallaslin scene is exclusive to Solasmancers.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 17, 2017 19:44:04 GMT
My Atisha Lavellan was originally a city elf whose parents asked clan Lavellan to take her when she came into her magic so she wouldn't have to go into a Circle. She hated the idea of anything connected with slavery and was besotted with Solas, so agreed to their removal. Because she only came late to the Dalish, she was never quite so invested in the gods as the rest of the clan anyway. What shook her was the discovery that Solas was Fen'Harel and what he was planning to do to the world but she still stood by him and hopes to change his mind. She is the only person I will ever romance Solas with now I know the truth about him, so the only Lavellan that would be given that choice.
My Enavir Lavellan, a male hunter who was born Dalish, was never told by Solas because apparently male friends aren't so favoured, although he made the connection later after being mocked by Corypheus and then seeing the pictures in the Dread Wolf's sanctuary. So far as he is concerned, the vallaslin now mean something completely different. Because Tevinter, and later the Chantry, forbade them their culture, including the vallaslin, they are now the symbol of the free elves who would not submit to the tyranny of others (ironic when you think about it but there you go). In any case, he didn't have the option of having them removed, but like I say, he would have refused if he had. Considering he was furious with Solas for his deception he would likely refuse simply to spite him even if they didn't have any significance to him personally but he now wears them with even greater pride (in a good way).
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Post by scarlet on Feb 17, 2017 19:50:15 GMT
I had it removed on my main playthrough. My Lavellan is really 'elfy' and much concerned about the preservation of the elven culture. That's why she drank from the well too. It was a real punch in her face when Solas revealed her the truth. 'One more thing the dalish have done wrong' - as she said. It was also a kind of gift from Solas, well, before the break up :|
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Post by pensieve on Feb 17, 2017 20:20:06 GMT
I never romanced Solas so never had to make that choice, but if I would (which is not going to happen) I'd keep it. Solas can't tell me what to do!
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Post by fylimar on Feb 17, 2017 21:03:35 GMT
I never did the Solas romance so far (also I have one Lavellan, I plan to romance Solas with), so this is purely theoretical, but all my Lavellans love their tattoos and whatever they ment in the past, I guess this days, a Dalish chooses his or her tattoo based on their personal choices and preferences, so those tattoos are personal not some slave symbols to most. So no chance in hell, that Solas gets to remove the tattoos, on the contrary, he should get some himself - and if he doesn't like Dalish tattoos, I'm sure, Isabella has some nice suggestions, after all, she is a helper (sorry, couldn't resist, just had that dialogue in DA2)
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 18, 2017 2:58:40 GMT
I had it removed after the revelation that they were originally slave markings. In the present, they meant something else to the Dalish; a connection and pledge to the elven gods. Since present perception of those gods is wrong, the vallaslin cannot be kept.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 18, 2017 3:29:30 GMT
I never did the Solas romance so far (also I have one Lavellan, I plan to romance Solas with), so this is purely theoretical, but all my Lavellans love their tattoos and whatever they ment in the past, I guess this days, a Dalish chooses his or her tattoo based on their personal choices and preferences, so those tattoos are personal not some slave symbols to most. So no chance in hell, that Solas gets to remove the tattoos, on the contrary, he should get some himself - and if he doesn't like Dalish tattoos, I'm sure, Isabella has some nice suggestions, after all, she is a helper (sorry, couldn't resist, just had that dialogue in DA2) Solas: I suppose a pair of vallaslin breasts would make things better.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 18, 2017 4:00:09 GMT
My Lavellan kept hers. She saw herself as a scholar, and learning that her people had misunderstood their original meaning was quite bittersweet for her (glad to learn more about ancient elves, sad to have gotten them wrong), but ultimately, she was also still proud of who she was, and even if the vallaslin once had a different meaning, it didn't change what hers meant to her people (suck on it, Abelas!).
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Post by vit246 on Feb 18, 2017 5:25:51 GMT
I had it removed after the revelation that they were originally slave markings. In the present, they meant something else to the Dalish; a connection and pledge to the elven gods. Since present perception of those gods is wrong, the vallaslin cannot be kept. How very defeatist.
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Post by scarlet on Feb 18, 2017 11:39:51 GMT
I've totally forgot one more thing which brought my Lavellan to this decision - she's also let the past behind, she know she wasn't like other members of her clan anymore. Yes, she cared about them and yes, she used her resources to help her clan in Wycome, but the Anker changed her, the Inquisition changed her, nothing will be the same for her - especially after she drank from the well and after she knew who Fen'Harel really was, just as the gods. It was a kind of symbol for her - a symbol of freedom when she isn't really free because of all the baggage she has.
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Post by shechinah on Feb 18, 2017 13:19:30 GMT
I never romanced Solas so never had to make that choice, but if I would (which is not going to happen) I'd keep it. Solas can't tell me what to do! He dosen't. He just informs you of the vallaslin's origin and is supportive of you regardless of what choice you make. It's part of what makes the scene so great. Here is the dialogue he gives if the Inquisitor rejects the offer:
Inquisitor: "These marks have been a part of me for so long. I don't know if... (...) I know you told me because you wanted to help but the vallaslin is part of who I am. I hope you can see-" Solas: "Stop. You are perfect exactly as you are."
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Post by eriador117 on Feb 18, 2017 13:32:17 GMT
I'd never played as a female elf, so for a long time I was unsure what these discussions about Vallaslin were all about. I think there should have been an option for a male elf who was friends with Solas to get the choice for removal or keeping it. Solas never told my male Lavellan tat they were slave markings and they were friends.
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