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Post by Sonya on Jan 10, 2020 16:52:55 GMT
Such a great character and the thread is forgotten. Made several PTs with Morinth and she is a very useful squdmate with her ability to dominate others. Used her during a SM as well. Didn't expect that but was uselful as well, her ability helped a lot.
That she was left in ME only to meet her in the end of the game and read a letter - that's a shame for devs. A great shame.
About her condition. Morinth is ill, very ill. But I have more respect for Morinth than Samara though Morinth still deserves to die. Samara is just annoying overwhelming -dramatic character with her Justicar this or that, but all I see - she doesn't fullfil her promises and in ME3 prefers to put a bullet in her head, leaving a potential threat alone. So what about her constant speeches about Justicar duties? Her threat to kill Shep? She is not a Justicar. Sje is simply an asari pretending a Justicar. I am sorry about her family situation but she is a hypocrite imo.
Morinth at least doesn't hide what she is, she is not afraid to be what she is, if she says something, she does that. And I respect those who actually are not afraid to be what they really are and don't hide that. BUT even if I respect Morinth she is still a killer who deserves nothing but death.
In game I choose Samara because of her "reave", nothing else. In ME3 I lost respect for her completely.
Too bad - in DA2 Morinth had at least someting, in ME3 she is just left to be killed in the end of the game. Lost potentianl character.
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Post by cyberpunker on Jan 27, 2020 8:35:41 GMT
Bioware should have had Morinth be in ME3. She was pretty good as a character in ME2.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 27, 2020 10:17:08 GMT
Bioware should have had Morinth be in ME3. She was pretty good as a character in ME2. Not only as a character. In battles her "donimante" was just great - as mentioned in the previous post (unexpected for me tbh). Now, when anyway already have many cannon saves and just try and check other things, maybe will recruite her more often.
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Post by cyberpunker on Jan 27, 2020 10:21:28 GMT
Bioware should have had Morinth be in ME3. She was pretty good as a character in ME2. Not only as a character. In battles her "donimante" was just great - as mentioned in the previous post (unexpected for me tbh). Now, when anyway already have many cannon saves and just try and check other things, maybe will recruite her more often. And Morinth, being Ardak Yakshi would have been really interesting as a War Asset. I honestly don't see the reason why the writers chose to kill her off. It made sense with the story, but they could have easily written Morinth in as well.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 27, 2020 10:27:40 GMT
And Morinth, being Ardak Yakshi would have been really interesting as a War Asset. I honestly don't see the reason why the writers chose to kill her off. It made sense with the story, but they could have easily written Morinth in as well. maybe I am mistaken now as do not remember well, but there were problems with the actress voicing Morinth. Maybe that was the reason. But indeed. Even AY, fighting for the fate of the galaxy, would have been interesting, not just some stupid letter and that "warm" reunion in the end.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 27, 2020 15:16:05 GMT
I honestly don't see why the keep Morinth/kill Samara option is even there, other than to be "darker and edgier," given how half-assed its implementation is. I think I've heard that someone will later remark that "Samara" is acting strange, but doesn't anyone notice that she's now yelling "Fear the power of the Ardat-Yakshi" in the middle of battle? And why would even a pure Renegade find her "useful"? She's a hedonistic serial killer, and you're going to take her on a mission where everyone has to be prepared to die to stop the Collectors?
(I also don't see why you can't just apprehend her instead of letting Samara kill her, given that Garrus, Jack, Miranda, and Mordin can all be talked out of executing somebody in their loyalty missions. The asari must have some way of restraining and imprisoning biotic criminals.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2020 15:50:19 GMT
I think I've heard that someone will later remark that "Samara" is acting strange Two people actually. Both Kelly and Kasumi notice that something is off about ‘Samara’.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 27, 2020 17:01:31 GMT
I honestly don't see why the keep Morinth/kill Samara option is even there, other than to be "darker and edgier It seems considering this and other things about Morinth devs wanted to present Morinth in ME3 not only in the end of the game as we can see it now + those letters. As I have written in the previous post I've read somewhere there were problems with Morinth voice actress. Thus - those strange things about her and undeveloped character of Morinth even in ME2 imo. But as usual, like in DAO e.g. - cut the content, but left the dialogue lines and the whole scene looks rather strange. Here the same with Morinth - started to work on the character, but then just left her. And not only her, but Samara lines/dialogues/all choices as well. In general - for me the whole LM seems undeveloped. And why would even a pure Renegade find her "useful"? maybe that was the purpose. "Try it on your own risk....". And it is a choice not only for "pure renegade". Cosidering Samara threatened to kill Shepard ("renegade" doesn't mean "kill everyone and do only nasty things", it just means to use more war-suitable phrases, but still do good things), better to get her daughter, again, at your own risk. And watch her at the same time. Different Shepards think things through in different ways. "Better wait until Samara decides to kill me as has promised?" "Better to get her powerfu serial-killer daughter and watch her? Yes, she promised to restrain herself, but still...I'll take my chances with Morinth but will watch her." Or another very simple reason - just take the BP. I also don't see why you can't just apprehend her instead of letting Samara kill her because Morinth was already beyond help so to say considering notes in ME3 monastery. She is already a drug-killer, and has been for several centuries + all those thing she has done. The only outcome for sush AY - death. Two people actually. Both Kelly and Kasumi notice that something is off about ‘Samara’. exactly. From dialogues Kelly sees something is wrong and Shepard looking into her eyes is just lying "oh, loosing a daughter is so terrible". Kasumi knows for sure that it is Morinth (Kasumi always knows everything).
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Post by cyberpunker on Jan 29, 2020 8:52:30 GMT
I suspect it's just budget or timing issues. They could have easily replaced the voice if they really wanted to do it. I'm sure there are a lot of talented voice actors who are used to imitating other voice actors.
That being said, the RP reasons for picking Morinth might have been your Shepard thinking Samara's Justicar Code was too rigid and unfair to Morinth, or maybe your Shepard was just evil. My renegade lady Shepard was just a selfish b%$ch who thought Morinth was more useful than the inflexible Samara b/c Samara might kill her for lady Shepard's renegade acts. My renegade guy Shepard thought that Morinth simply didn't deserve to die.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 30, 2020 11:48:44 GMT
Shepard thinking Samara's Justicar Code was too rigid and unfair to Morinth, too rigid not maybe to Morinth only, but in general. Samara says "I will kill you after". That's is really disturbingactually. Asari understand Justicars, but other races don't. And Justicar code does not care other races do not accept it. That it another stupid thing from asari culture for Shepard. If my Shepard chose Morinth only bacause Samara threatens to kill her/him after the SM, but I can watch Morith at least. Yes, it is a risk, but having Samara is also a risk. And those my Shepards were not evil bitches or assholes - again, I have renagade bar full only because use war-suitable phrases, but save people as well, but Samara still threatens to kill me. It is just stupid. And yes, as I wrote earlier, some of my Shepards as well thought Morinth did not deserve to die. I suspect it's just budget or timing issues. They could have easily replaced the voice if they really wanted to do it. I'm sure there are a lot of talented voice actors who are used to imitating other voice actors. yeah, a good point, showing that Morinth was just left fot no good reasons by devs. Too bad, I like her very much.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 30, 2020 22:02:26 GMT
My renegade guy Shepard thought that Morinth simply didn't deserve to die. Right up until embracing eternity with Morinth and becoming lunch.
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Post by Sonya on Feb 4, 2020 11:40:27 GMT
Right up until embracing eternity with Morinth and becoming lunch. 1) Shep had already proved he/she can resist her charm; 2) She is not so attractive to embrace eternity with her. Helped with SM - good. Thanks for being useful. Better than Liara in terms of chatarcter traits. And I do not mean "serial -killer - thing", but such traits as "determination, strong willed persanality actually able to assess the situation and act according to circumstances w/o stupidity etc etc". No time to sex-things, the galaxy still needs help as others do nothing about it. Shepard is the only hope. "The only person who can protect the galaxy".
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 4, 2020 13:21:21 GMT
Right up until embracing eternity with Morinth and becoming lunch. 1) Shep had already proved he/she can resist her charm; 2) She is not so attractive to embrace eternity with her. Helped with SM - good. Thanks for being useful. Better than Liara in terms of chatarcter traits. And I do not mean "serial -killer - thing", but such traits as "determination, strong willed persanality actually able to assess the situation and act according to circumstances w/o stupidity etc etc". No time to sex-things, the galaxy still needs help as others do nothing about it. Shepard is the only hope. "The only person who can protect the galaxy". Except Morinth does engage in "sex things" with Shepard if you let it happen. And if Shep is supposed to be able to resist her, why does Morinth kill him/her if you engage her? No, Morinth is no one I'd want on my side.
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Post by Sonya on Feb 4, 2020 14:14:22 GMT
Except Morinth does engage in "sex things" with Shepard if you let it happen. And if Shep is supposed to be able to resist her, why does Morinth kill him/her if you engage her? Shepard resists her charm to have sex - strong will-matter. But if not, you are right: death - it is a medical matter. Why does Morinth try to seduce Shepard again and again telling that Shepard is strong and will not die like her other victims? Because she is a serial drug killer who will tell anything to get what she wants. Only at the same time she knows that Shepard is strong to resist het "charm" thus can kill her. Such behavior is a usual thing for drug-addicts, only here those 'sex' things are involved. She is, like Samara mentioned, "a predator": she needs her dose, but at the same time already has experience with Shepard resisting her charms. So she simply adjusts. And I agree, having her nearby is a risk.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 5, 2020 22:34:57 GMT
Her being an addict is another reason I never want her on my shop. I don’t want every once in a while to have a crew member suddenly die of “mysterious circumstances”.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2020 0:58:35 GMT
The only reason to allow it on the ship is to cut it open and find out what makes it tick.
Then, from it's DNA, create a bio weapon that makes all asari infertile.
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Post by Sonya on Aug 15, 2020 11:55:10 GMT
Considering my "Morinth-Build" PT in ME2 time for some images (not about Samara): like those biotic bursts during that Samara LM.
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 22, 2020 9:47:36 GMT
I like her, even though I'm likely never going to play a Shepard stupid enough to invite her unto the Normandy.
All her talk about having been given a rough deal is entirely justified, and she's obviously a cunning and courageous and driven creature, which is hard not to respect. Samara's line "Today, I killed the bravest and smartest of my daughters." hits me right in the feels every time.
All that said, she's also obviously a remorseless and compulsive killer, and any gesture she makes to convince you that that isn't what she is is just part of a longer game she's trying to play because you foiled her attempt to kill you immediately. Way too dangerous to have on the ship under any circumstances.
If there had been some kind plot where you absolutely needed her resources and she and Shepard regularly came into contact and you had to keep her at arm's length or she would take advantage while at the same time being forced to humor her on some level, I'd have enjoyed that. Assuming the game could justify not shooting her on the spot.
She's just a little too well-written to deserve to just appear and die over the course of one loyalty mission, even though it makes perfect sense in the context of that mission.
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