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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 20, 2017 18:38:31 GMT
I noticed over on Twitter both Patrick Weekes and Mike Laidlaw started tweeting back to fans that they did not wish to see us pitching them ideas about the plot for future Dragon Age games because they could not base their ideas on something fans had come up with. This seemed strange to me that they'd go as far as to publically ask people to avoid doing this, so I've begun maybe EA or someone else at BioWare have begun imposing restrictions on the creative process at the company to avoid plagiarism or hack-work maybe, which is understandable, but considering how Twitter works it's also pretty impossible to avoid not getting a good idea from some random poster.
But if you think about it, it makes sense. Ever since Andromeda had been confirmed to be this voyage of Arks that go to another galaxy, I instantly thought back to the "Ark Theory" that I briefly skimmed through, which was an insanely popular thread over at the now-closed BSN boards. It was a fan-made theory about how the endings could be averted if the council races, the alliance or some other organizations had been planning a voyage away from Milky Way in secret to evacuate the species from the Reaper invasion. I've always thought the concept of Andromeda was so obviously taken from this fanmade concept, and that makes me wonder now that BSN is closed... did EA find this out and decide to lock down the forums because of that? And, as a continuing thing they're now placing restrictions on BioWare about making further use of fan-made ideas in the future?
It's a pretty embarassing thing honestly. I always thought that. That BioWare ends up basing their next game on a fanfiction crackpot theory? It's almost unheard of in a AAA professional industry of writers who are paid for their work. We may never know, but I thought the whole closing of BSN was so mysterious. I know it was toxic, but the closing still seemed so sudden compared to how much the atmosphere had died down there anyway. The toxicity I thought was worse the years prior to the closing when ME3 was really hot and touchy.
Might just be me seeing patterns that only exist in my head, but I wanna know what other people in the know of the "Ark Theory" think of this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:43:41 GMT
It's not that big of a leap of story creative logic to go to Andromeda if the Reaper's are looked at like "a flood". An Ark theme writes itself. Where's Ararat in space then?
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Post by bear on Feb 20, 2017 18:53:57 GMT
I noticed over on Twitter both Patrick Weekes and Mike Laidlaw started tweeting back to fans that they did not wish to see us pitching them ideas about the plot for future Dragon Age games because they could not base their ideas on something fans had come up with. This seemed strange to me that they'd go as far as to publically ask people to avoid doing this, so I've begun maybe EA or someone else at BioWare have begun imposing restrictions on the creative process at the company to avoid plagiarism or hack-work maybe, which is understandable, but considering how Twitter works it's also pretty impossible to avoid not getting a good idea from some random poster. Hmm, maybe in order to avoid this, the ones responsible for this forum could add as prerequesite for posting here, that anything posted in regards to ideas on this site can be freely used by Bioware. Or however it needs to be formulated in legalese to avoid those dreaded, potential, hypothetical, fans sueing Bioware over an idea they had about an IP that they never owned in the first place. A disclaimer, maybe?
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Post by Primordial Walker on Feb 20, 2017 18:54:06 GMT
Because they're grasping straws, their games have gotten progressively shitty since DAO. When they did that horrible make over to their site, they lost a lot of their users that kept decreasing dramatically. Then became so autistic about their crappy games that they cut the off-topic out because they're hubris af about their low quality games.
They've fallen just like Rare Studios did, people just need to accept it.
I have no hope, expectations or even considering playing MEA because they already butchered the series in my eye.
Just my opinion and it's subjective to say in the least.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 20, 2017 18:57:36 GMT
I always find it strange that people who see no future in BioWare or Andromeda actually come to post on a fan-made BioWare forum. Just sayin'.
I'm super critical sometimes asshole-levels of critical towards BioWare's overall approach to game-making these days but I always aim to talk about it becuase I still care. If I truly didn't care I would've been long gone from here or the old BSN. I'm here to cheer for them when I love what they do and voice my reasons for the bad eggs that come with it when it does in hopes that someone listens, sees my reason, and knows better the next time they make something, or perhaps to dispute it so others can tell me their perspective so I better understand how BioWare hoped I would look at it.
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Post by Primordial Walker on Feb 20, 2017 19:00:30 GMT
Maybe it's because I've been on BSN for a long long time and have made some very good friends. That's the reason I'm here, not because of BioShit There was always more to BSN than just their games.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 20, 2017 19:09:22 GMT
I still like Bioware's games even If I'm adverse to their attitude at times.
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 20, 2017 19:30:00 GMT
Remember: the lawyers will always win. Always
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 20, 2017 19:46:11 GMT
The nostalgic in me is fighting with the logic center of my brain over this game.
I'm mainly here because I recognize some posters from the old forums, plus:
-Babylon 5 thread -History Thread -Book Thread/MOAR BOOKS PLS -Politics Thread
But that could be part of why it got closed down. I imagine there were many reasons. Besides the...you know...the Thing.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 20, 2017 22:27:40 GMT
There is approximately 0% chance a writer took an idea from the fans and made it the next thing, and about as much chance that fans could fight a company like BioWare (let alone EA) on that and win.
That being said, authors almost always default to a "don't pitch me, I won't read it" stance because they don't want to deal with even the idea of that bullshit potentially happening. If you hear one saying it, that's not because it's a change in their attitude or policiy, but merely a response to an influx of pitches. They're reminding you of where they stand.
So no, I don't think the BSN closed because writers were crutching on it for ideas. I think it closed because BioWare/EA wanted to deny organized opposition to any future bullshit they put out happening in their own backyard.
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 20, 2017 22:57:17 GMT
Take a good look at the fourth post of the thread and that'll give you the answer.
Other communities and sites provided plenty of places for fans to have meaningful discussion. The original BSN got overrun with people who drove away actual fans but who participated on the old BSN solely because they considered it a direct route to harass the developers over everything that wasn't exactly what those people wanted, no matter how many more people enjoyed the games.
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Post by mousestalker on Feb 20, 2017 23:04:35 GMT
I was on the BSN from before it was the BSN. I used to lurk on the old boards from just after Neverwinter Nights came out. The major change I saw came after EA bought the company and the doctors withdrew. The Bioware employees stopped engaging with them fans. There is a 'no swimming' sign in Redcliffe as a shout out to a pre-game discussion. DAO is full of similar in jokes. DA2 is not and neither is DAI. As company interest in discussions with fans dwindled, so did fan interest.
Rant: What EA wants ti to tell us stuff, but they really are not interested in conversations as that involves listening. They have what they want. /rant
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 20, 2017 23:12:58 GMT
As company interest in discussions with fans dwindled, so did fan interest. ME3: Citadel has a reference to BioWare According To Mom. Plenty of devs conversed with fans on the site. Then came along people whose idea of discussion involved harassment and threats because a game wasn't exactly what those people wanted.
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