Confirmed: Andromeda is socialist commentary about current world-events

ITT: people don't know what socialism is.

No amount of video game preaching will make something real.

Truly, the way we see narratives being pushed via the entertainment medium, whether it be left or right, reminds me a lot of religion using myths to perpetuate nonsense.

OP sounds like they're baiting, but I'll have fun with this, I think.

I always felt the turians should have conquered humanity. Took earth and any settled colonies for all its valuable resources and set up shop. Maybe used resisting human males for mining or farming on remote worlds and used human women as comfort slaves, since ya know they got a thing for asari but can't get away with that shit with the asari's powerful biotics. Humiliated us and assimilated us for decades. If Cerberus had been a terrorist organization that had fought a long standing war against the turians, I would be fine with them and the pro-human nature of the trilogy.



...but that would be too DS9 cardassian/bajoran conflict.

Batarians are not as powerful as the turians. They'd never conquer humanity. As for bros, well some turians (like some batarians) did own slaves, human slaves. It's canon in the Foundation comics. They just weren't as 'out' about it, and it wasn't an intrinsic (boasted) aspect of their culture. The point was to show humiliation akin to what the batarians do. I don't think the turians are above doing what the batarians do with their slaves.


Eventually, the turians could become bros throughout the trilogy. I suspect after the trilogy we did get, the batarians would have as well.

Garrus was a bro.  Not quite the same thing.  The turian councilor is a clear example of an anti-human.  So is Executor Pallin.  So is Saren.  I think that humans coming into their own would have been much more effective if they started as a client race of the turians (in the beginning) and rose up, over the course of a minimum of a hundred years, to take their place on the Council.  The timeline of humans being so ultra-awesome is just too short.  It needed to be extended and given a solid reason for the humans and turians to be at odds.  It would also make sense as to why the Normandy was a human/turian cooperative creation.

Batarians were a threat but nothing humanity couldn't deal with.  In contrast, turians were overwhelmingly powerful and there's no reason they shouldn't have won the First Contact War.

I'd rather they didn't think we were even good enough to client race. Just enslaved us. Thus, not only our animosity towards them and them to us going into ME1 being justified, but our persistent and aggressive drive to excel to higher positions in Council Space, while other cliented races like the volus are content and politely waiting their turn, being justified as well. 

As for the "sex" stuff, I commented above. Some turians had human slaves following the FCW, and i'm pretty sure there are some turians not above using them for whatever need they had (as was seen with the batarians). I wanted it to show humiliation of the human species even at the most intimate level.

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Anyway, if this hypothetical scenario had actually occurred historically in the trilogy, using what is written in the OP, we could be re-examining "in-game" social issues more unique to humanity in the MEU less to humanity current. Re-examining pre-trilogy human history where the turians colonized earth for decades, brutalizing humans, and how that impacted humanity's identity and growth from the onset and throughout the trilogy. And how that may impact their interactions with the new species (even aggressive ones like the Kett) in Andromeda. Maybe we (humans) are in a unique position to understand them better than the other species. But as it stands, humanity had it pretty easy in the trilogy, always the aggressors, always getting what they want.

So BioWare seems to want us to draw on real-life scenarios today. Given the current political climate, this is going to get equated to, oh no more "socialist" stuff, or oh no more 'the evil white/American people' BioWare, because of the not so subtle tweets of some devs, and blatant stuff like...


GC: The thing about real science fiction is it’s never really about the future. It’s just using that as an allegory for the present. So while you said the game wasn’t about colonisation, I wonder if the real parallel is meant to be with immigration?


FC: Refugees more than immigrants, but yes.

GC: Was that always one of the kernels of the story?



FC: I don’t know if it was actually at the root of the idea, but it transformed into that. It’s always difficult to remember exactly how it started, because the way we work is that we create characters. So we create the main characters, we create the characters you’re going to meet, and then we put them in a context and then we evolve the story.

Even five years ago we were not where we are today; where the question of refugees in modern society has become more and more pressing, and the idea to close the borders that we have seen with Brexit and in the States. Everywhere now there’s that tendency. And what we say in the game, is imagine that you’re who they shut the door on when you need it. So obviously there is that dimension. Is it the centre of the game? That’s up to your interpretation when you play it.

You take whatever you want from the game. But just the setting; as you mention, science fiction always takes what is happening in the world today and just projects it forward.


metro.co.uk/2017/02/23/mass-effect-andromeda-hands-on-preview-and-interview-humility-is-a-key-part-of-the-game-6468067/#ixzz4ZwK4O2Yk




I get the sentiment. And some of that stuff from the article kinda makes me feel ashamed of myself for... having certain views. And apparently the game will include content that attempts do so as well. I doubt subtly.

You know you're tired when you read cardassian as Kardashian.

I'm sorry but that statement from the interview is complete BS. "Real" science fiction is only ever an allegory for the present? No, no it's not.


Maybe for for the lowbrow "I can't think of anything to write, so I'll just re-skin this current political issue as aliens" science fiction is an allegory, but I would like to see the same stance be taken with something like the Scramblers from the novel Blindsight; a science fiction story built around the idea of conscious thought and whether it was an actual evolutionary advantage in the long run. 



In regards to the topic as a whole, I always find it hilariously hypercritical when BioWare tries to make a statement about accepting differences in people, and how we should all try and be more diverse as a people, and then immediately has us killing those sentient inter-dimensional beings, or those weird bug aliens by the truck load because "they look scary, and weird". Another good one is when they say that we should try and accept an other's way of life, but then immediately turn around and say that an intelligence like the Geth collective, or EDI, wasn't "truly alive" or a valid form of life until they gave up everything that made them unique, and became exactly like us. 

Especially also Bioware outright stated AI has nothing to do with escaping Reaper invasion.
None of the 100,000 people onboard AI program is even remotely a refugee.

They're explorers and colonizers, period.

Pretty much this... also: The Ai is everything else but a "socialist collective", it's a pure meritocracy. Every exploration effort on that level would be... if you hurl a couple of thousand people into dark space like that, you only want to have the very best of the best experts for the job.

Bioware says alot of things, you can believe it if you want to. Id better be bull tough.