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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 1:15:16 GMT
I think it's time this thread got back on topic. I've never paid much attention to Doctor Who, but I've heard a bit about it and been looking for a new show to watch. Would anyone care to give me a detailed recommendation (i.e. the general premise, which season I should start with, etc)? Basic Premise: Human Alien called 'The Doctor' has a Time Machine that's bigger on the inside that can travel to any point in time and space (mostly...) and has adventures both big and small, fights evil, meets famous historical characters, and tries to fix problems where and when he can. When the Doctor is mortally injured or dying or whatnot, he can regenerate his body into an entirely different new form (or new Doctor) with a new personality, body, etc. While his fundamental personality is the same throughout each incarnation, his total biological change means that he might hold a different viewpoint or perspective on everything. Some of his incarnations are more happy go lucky and extroverted, some are more serious and introverted. As I said, who he is, fundamentally, is the same (he has the same memories, morals (usually), and intelligence, but each Doctor also views his predecessors (and on a few occasions where he meets them, successors) as separate, distinct people with different identities. Who he is, his memories, etc = his nurture, and that is constant (usually). Whenever he regenerates, his nature (body, brain chemistry, identity, preferences, personality, etc.) changes almost completely. Where to start: In truth, anywhere, really. I'd recommend starting at the beginning of a new Doctor, particularly one where there is a 'hard' reboot, (i.e., new Doctor with new companions, which you get from time to time.) The show has a 50 year history, with, at this point, 15 Doctors of history (it's a long story why there are 15 Doctors while only being on #13...) However, I'd say that a good starting point would be with the 2005 revival of the series, after a 16 year break. The starting Doctor would be the 9th Doctor. The original run, from Doctors' 1-7 is good, but the series is also definitely a product of its time, and hasn't really aged all that well (being realistic here.) The production values are kind of meh, and the stories could be long and convoluted, cut into half hour segments. The revival series is a lot more up to date and enjoyable to modern tastes. Think of the older stuff as an acquired taste. In order, all of the Doctors have been: All on the top are the Doctor. From left to right, they were The First Doctor (William Hartnell), The Second Doctor (Patrick Troughton), The Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee), The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker), The Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison), The Sixth Doctor (Colin Baker), The Seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy), The Eighth Doctor (Paul McGann), The War Doctor (not one of the numbered Doctors; John Hurt), The Ninth Doctor (Christopher Ecclestone), The Tenth Doctor (David Tennant), The Eleventh Doctor (Matt Smith), and The Twelfth Doctor (current, right now; Peter Capaldi). Pictured below is the Metacrisis Doctor (a human copy/clone of the Tenth Doctor, not technically counted as a numbered Doctor due to existing alongside his 'parent', the Tenth Doctor, but using one of the Doctor's finite number of regenerations; played by David Tennant), and the Thirteenth Doctor (Jodie Whittaker) when she assumes the role in December. Metacrisis Doctor The Thirteenth Doctor Pictured Below the doctors in the above is the Master (the Mistress for Michelle Gomez's Master incarnation), one of the Doctors oldest and greatest enemies (and former (probably still) best friend), a fellow Time Lord that had gone insane at some point prior to the start of the series and functions basically as a combination of the Joker and Magneto for the Doctor.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 1:19:07 GMT
Ooh, Lorn , you know man, you're so many things... I'd have hoped you'd have appreciated some humor here on this. But man, the passive-aggressiveness... work on it. Of course, I've never really taken you for being that bad of a guy, honestly. In the interest of keeping this politics free, and in the interest of engendering goodwill with you (might be a lost cause at this point, who knows), I'll just let you have this one here. *wink* You missed my point; Your Passive-aggressiveness needs some work. I'm legit serious. You can do better than that. Otherwise, with that response, I think our 'worlds apart and out of mind approach' worked wonders. Unless you're through with the sock puppet?
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 18, 2017 1:26:34 GMT
Well, I've been called "racist" and "sexist", so there's that. I make a two word post of agreement with someone else about how much the internet is obnoxiously obsessed with a particular rhetoric and I end up steeped in an redundant discussion about how much the rhetoric is warranted. Touche, internet. You are consistent and irritating as ever.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 1:29:57 GMT
Hell @draining Dragon, it's only now that I remember to go to TV Tropes and look up their page on Doctor Who. They provide a better summary and picture of all the Doctor's than I do. To reiterate, I'd say that Series 1 (the 2005 renewal, starting with the Ninth Doctor) would be the best jump-in point. Forgot to mention that outside of comic books and some literature series (I think), it's the longest-running science fiction series in the world, coming up on 54 years in November. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/DoctorWho
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 1:32:01 GMT
Well, I've been called "racist" and "sexist", so there's that. I make a two word post of agreement with someone else about how much the internet is obnoxiously obsessed with a particular rhetoric and I end up steeped in an redundant discussion about how much the rhetoric is warranted. Touche, internet. You are consistent and irritating as ever. It's probably also kind of irritating that a discussion ostensibly about the next regeneration of the Doctor become a hotbed for such discussion. Pretty soon, we'll be comparing each other to Hitler, just you watch.
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Post by Lorn on Jul 18, 2017 1:53:09 GMT
You missed my point; Your Passive-aggressiveness needs some work. I'm legit serious. You can do better than that. Otherwise, with that response, I think our 'worlds apart and out of mind approach' worked wonders. Unless you're through with the sock puppet? Accuses me of being passive-aggressive passive-aggressively... Well, I've been called "racist" and "sexist", so there's that.
I make a two word post of agreement with someone else about how much the internet is obnoxiously obsessed with a particular rhetoric and I end up steeped in an redundant discussion about how much the rhetoric is warranted.
Touche, internet. You are consistent and irritating as ever. Perhaps that was the joke?
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 2:07:34 GMT
You missed my point; Your Passive-aggressiveness needs some work. I'm legit serious. You can do better than that. Otherwise, with that response, I think our 'worlds apart and out of mind approach' worked wonders. Unless you're through with the sock puppet? Accuses me of being passive-aggressive passive-aggressively... Oh, it's not intended as an accusation mate. More of a 'work on it' deal. As an aside, getting warmer!
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Post by Ravenous Bear on Jul 18, 2017 2:10:45 GMT
Instead of talking about the actress herself and whether or not she will succeed portraying the Doctor, it turns into an argument about preconceived notions. See how she does before criticizing the decision.
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Post by Syv on Jul 18, 2017 2:12:08 GMT
Hell @draining Dragon, it's only now that I remember to go to TV Tropes and look up their page on Doctor Who. They provide a better summary and picture of all the Doctor's than I do. To reiterate, I'd say that Series 1 (the 2005 renewal, starting with the Ninth Doctor) would be the best jump-in point. Forgot to mention that outside of comic books and some literature series (I think), it's the longest-running science fiction series in the world, coming up on 54 years in November. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/DoctorWhoMay I ask why you liked that serie TV ? I might give a try. I'm quite exigent though. I don't find the marvel serie tvs really great to be honest.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 2:19:42 GMT
Hell @draining Dragon, it's only now that I remember to go to TV Tropes and look up their page on Doctor Who. They provide a better summary and picture of all the Doctor's than I do. To reiterate, I'd say that Series 1 (the 2005 renewal, starting with the Ninth Doctor) would be the best jump-in point. Forgot to mention that outside of comic books and some literature series (I think), it's the longest-running science fiction series in the world, coming up on 54 years in November. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/DoctorWhoMay I ask why you liked that serie TV ? I might give a try. I'm quite exigent though. I don't find the marvel serie tvs really great to be honest. Doctor Who? Or the Marvel series? They're not related.
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Post by Syv on Jul 18, 2017 2:23:19 GMT
May I ask why you liked that serie TV ? I might give a try. I'm quite exigent though. I don't find the marvel serie tvs really great to be honest. Doctor Who? Or the Marvel series? They're not related. Oh, I have already tried several marvel serie tvs already and stopped. No, I'm more interested about doctor who. I like the summary already. Just want to know why you liked that serie tv, you gave an interesting post, so you should also give an interesting opinion.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 3:14:18 GMT
Doctor Who? Or the Marvel series? They're not related. Oh, I have already tried several marvel serie tvs already and stopped. No, I'm more interested about doctor who. I like the summary already. Just want to know why you liked that serie tv, you gave an interesting post, so you should also give an interesting opinion. Why I like Doctor Who? I like how there is a dynamic main character that sees the universe with a passionate, curious, dynamically pioneering eye (though as of the last couple of Doctors', I think they're running the 'weary ancient alien who hides away from it all on Earth' shtick kind of dry), and takes ordinary people onto the adventure of a lifetime through time and space. I think the thing that really gets me is how it encourages a wide-open sense of curiosity and wonder. The episodes and plots can be tacky, but they can also be pretty endearing. I don't think some people of some political persuasions are going to be... shall we say, impressed, with some of the material that is displayed (the show does tackle a lot of social issues for example, and even I think it can get somewhat preachy at times,) but overall, I think on the whole that there is something for everyone with this show if they give it time and patience. For the most part, its charming, family friendly sci-fi entertainment (if that's your thing) that is decidedly very British and very appealing if that's your thing. Something else is about how, if you don't like the show, just give it a few seasons or see if they replace the main character with a new one. This is a show that prides itself on reinvention, after all, and one of the few shows that can go through a complete change of cast from season to season and not have you bat an eye over how different it is. In a way, it's a brilliant narrative ploy. Internal consistency is unusual in that it is both completely straightforward and entirely non-existent, and often, you might be asking to yourself why the Doctor can't do an asspull to solve some problem or situation rather than have to deal with some kind of 'time-locked' event or what-not. That said, the show does abide by a few rules: Parallel universes are generally impossible to get to (unless plot convenient), no main villain death is ever 'truly' permanent (The Master, Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, etc.), and time-locked events are also generally impossible to overcome. There is romance from time to time (particularly for the 10th Doctor), but for the most part, the Doctor is a largely asexual being that is thousands of years old and generally not into that sort of stuff, so a kind of no go if that's your thing. Uh... I'm not so great at the pitches. Give it a try yourself and see how you like it, that's really all I can say. The reason it has such longevity is, as I said, due to its constant reinvention and change, essentially becoming a new show every time the Doctor regenerates, especially when companions change.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 18, 2017 5:38:37 GMT
This Dalek was not amused ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:15:31 GMT
The funny thing about Dr. Who casting is that I'm usually sceptical. I didn't think Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant or Matt Smith would be any good or that they were right for the role, then I ended up loving them all. On the flip side I thought Peter Capaldi was a wonderful choice as I wanted an older doctor for once, then couldn't get into it at all and ended up quitting the series altogether. So if the streak holds true then my suspicions about Jodie Whittaker being any good must mean that she'll be fabulous. Oh and what @cyonan said earlier, you're totally right. If they'd chosen a female doctor 10 years ago in the pre-twitter era there wouldn't be half as much criticism. Aahh the pre-twitter era. The good old days.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 14:00:15 GMT
The funny thing about Dr. Who casting is that I'm usually sceptical. I didn't think Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant or Matt Smith would be any good or that they were right for the role, then I ended up loving them all. On the flip side I thought Peter Capaldi was a wonderful choice as I wanted an older doctor for once, then couldn't get into it at all and ended up quitting the series altogether. So if the streak holds true then my suspicions about Jodie Whittaker being any good must mean that she'll be fabulous. Oh and what @cyonan said earlier, you're totally right. If they'd chosen a female doctor 10 years ago in the pre-twitter era there wouldn't be half as much criticism. Aahh the pre-twitter era. The good old days. I am so fucking triggered right now...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:56:08 GMT
The funny thing about Dr. Who casting is that I'm usually sceptical. I didn't think Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant or Matt Smith would be any good or that they were right for the role, then I ended up loving them all. On the flip side I thought Peter Capaldi was a wonderful choice as I wanted an older doctor for once, then couldn't get into it at all and ended up quitting the series altogether. So if the streak holds true then my suspicions about Jodie Whittaker being any good must mean that she'll be fabulous. Oh and what @cyonan said earlier, you're totally right. If they'd chosen a female doctor 10 years ago in the pre-twitter era there wouldn't be half as much criticism. Aahh the pre-twitter era. The good old days. I am so fucking triggered right now... ?
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 18, 2017 16:02:06 GMT
I am so fucking triggered right now... ? It's not super serious on my part, but you don't call the show 'Dr. Who', you refer to it by its full title 'Doctor Who.' It's a running thing in the Whovian fandom. It's like some people who call the Doctor 'Doctor Who'. That isn't the Doctor's name. It's just 'the Doctor'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 16:15:25 GMT
? It's not super serious on my part, but you don't call the show 'Dr. Who', you refer to it by its full title 'Doctor Who.' It's a running thing in the Whovian fandom. It's like some people who call the Doctor 'Doctor Who'. That isn't the Doctor's name. It's just 'the Doctor'.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 19, 2017 4:42:04 GMT
So it's Nurse Who now...
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Post by Sifr on Jul 19, 2017 7:43:16 GMT
But the next phase -- and I'm sure Lady Artifice would agree -- is to make the new Who into a caustic gay character. Since the Doctor has openly flirted with both sexes in the past and can come across as rude (intentionally or otherwise), isn't this already canon?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 9:38:27 GMT
Now now play nice. Poor Massively can't take this level of shitposting. It's bad for his heart. Anyway it'll either be ideologically driven shit or it won't. The first option would be more fun for me. But I suppose it would be better for the fan base if it was the second one.
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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 19, 2017 9:48:32 GMT
I haven't been this hyped for Doctor Who in a long time. It's something fresh, and the show needs to be shaken up, it's how it's lasted this long. So I'm very excited, and after seeing a woman in the role for the first time I've realised that I got pretty bored of a white man 12 times...so bring it on. I love this.
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