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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 30, 2016 11:42:47 GMT
Some interesting photos about WW2: Foreign volunteers in the Nazi Germany Army Bosnian SS division Japanese soldiers, armed with Arisaka Type 99 rifles, surrender to American troops in Keijo Signed Photograph of Adolf Hitler and His Best Wishes for Reza Shah Pahlavi
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 30, 2016 16:14:30 GMT
About the development of the M1911
And here's a vid about the Norwegian M1914 Kongsberg Colt based on it, which was later used(and still manufactured) by the Germans in WW2 after occupying Norway(and thus how they ended up adopting a handgun in .45 caliber).
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Post by kizanare on Oct 1, 2016 7:53:06 GMT
Reading about Switzerland, interesting about the unwillingness to take prisoners and just general murder/frenzy in battle... talk about blowing apart the "neutral friendly" thing once and for all.
They're apparently all armed to the teeth and every citizen is a member of the armed forces essentially and loaded with AKs and guns. Seems like a bunch of sociopaths with no conscience basically. Basically the Huns of the west.
Sounds like Corporate America found it's model there.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 1, 2016 9:17:39 GMT
Vid on how to safely unload and clear the four most common military rifle families of the latter half of the 20th century; the AR, AK, G3/CETME and FAL families("the right arm of the free world"). These rifles were present in just about all of the conflicts of that time period, from the Vietnam War, Arab-Israeli wars, Iran-Iraq war, Falklands war,etc and are still in action in Syria/Iraq and elsewhere. Mud tests involving these rifles. And here's a misc vid about early Portuguese contract AR-10s manufactured by the Netherlands. These were used by Portugal in their colonial wars in Africa in the 60s and early 70s. Excellent post and great videos find. Couple of additional pointers: The AK-47 failures look similar to the ones you can see in combat videos taken from dead IS warriors' personal cameras/phones. A number of special forces around the world let their soldiers (at least some of them) have a free choice of personal firearm. They almost to a man choose the Colt M4/M16.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 1, 2016 9:47:28 GMT
Some interesting photos about WW2: Bosnian SS division That looks a lot like Haj Amin al-Husseini? The original Palestinian terrorist. Which means those "troops" (probably almost all muslims) would go on to murder Jews in the Balkans and Hungary.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Oct 1, 2016 10:05:37 GMT
Yes.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 1, 2016 10:19:38 GMT
Important, obviously. Since it has been such a big part of culture. But not essential. And "Love thy neighbor" didn't re-enter Christianity until after Luther. When the Western Civilization (Rome) adopted Christianity, it seemed like a good idea. It changed to an intellectual black hole during the Dark Ages. There wasn't so much "Christianity" in the Christian religion then. Actually it was essential imo. Communities were very close, a lot of people used it to advance their power obviously but everyday people quite often were quite christian as in just simple honest person. Anyways it was essential for the world to be the way it is now at least, the biggest religion in the world after all. And for western society cause it defines it, all countries follow Christianity in the west afterall as a main religion. Look at other parts of the world religions define cultures in many many countries of the world. but this is just down to each person opinion. (i had to edit it slightly cause i was in game when writing and being in the hurry doesn't help) "Essential" for what it looks like, probably. The flavor. And essential perhaps as a cohesive element (that is why it was adopted by the Romans). But not essential for what Western Civilization is, in the sense of what makes it different and unique among civilizations. That would be, put very shortly: The ideas of rationalism, discovery and equality. And I don't think it would be wrong to say that the Western Civilization has shaped Christianity, and still do, more than Christianity has shaped Western Civilization. An absurd distinction to make, perhaps, but think about it for a while.
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Post by straykat on Oct 1, 2016 10:25:18 GMT
Love Thy Neighbor was very much in Christianity. It's just disingenuous to deny it. But I will agree it lost it's way during the medieval to Renaissance period. Barring a few before Luther, like St. Francis.
There was a time there where warlords took advantage of the religion.. Everyone from Clovis to even Ivan the Terrible. Not much love going on here. It was downright psychopathic at times. But there's still 500 years of Christianity before that. Why do you think so many let themselves get killed for spectacle and pray for their enemies. Western culture has nothing on this level of sacrifice... It's way too demanding and unreal for any mere "culture" to lay claim to.
At least until recently with the Civil Rights or Gandhi's movement. Which were both influenced by Christianity too (yes, even Gandhi. He was one of Tolstoy's adherents). But even then, most still don't want to follow that. Liberal movements in the West like paying lip service to these two especially, but in the end, they'd rather follow a Lenin or Che instead. I see it even on this board. The passion for equality and justice somehow devolves into wanting to wipe people out and/or brew class and racial wars. While the conservative end simply doesn't care. That's the West for ya.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 1, 2016 11:59:41 GMT
... At least until recently with the Civil Rights or Gandhi's movement. Which were both influenced by Christianity too (yes, even Gandhi. He was one of Tolstoy's adherents). But even then, most still don't want to follow that. Liberal movements in the West like paying lip service to these two especially, but in the end, they'd rather follow a Lenin or Che instead. I see it even on this board. The passion for equality and justice somehow devolves into wanting to wipe people out and/or brew class and racial wars. While the conservative end simply doesn't care. That's the West for ya. Not exactly. The debate and dissenting voices. That's the West for ya. And that's precious. Whereas in other parts of the world you will be dragged to decades in prison and a thousand strikes caning, just for criticizing a pile of compulsory but obvious lies. That is why we must fight dogma. In our days mainly "political correctness" but also islamistic intimidation. It is not the "liberal" ideas that is the enemy, nor the rightwing anti-government stupidity. It is their desire to impose their dogma on us, their wish to silence criticism and debate. This is what separates BLM from racial justice. BLM doesn't fight for racial justice. They fight for their false narrative, their dogma. Anita Sarkeesian pulling her stuff out of her ass, - that's the West. Anita Sarkeesian appearing before UN and completely seriously suggesting they should do something about people saying "that she suck, on internet" (exactly what she said) because it's "harassment". That's anti-West.
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Post by ScumbagShepurd on Oct 1, 2016 12:25:34 GMT
Reading about Switzerland, interesting about the unwillingness to take prisoners and just general murder/frenzy in battle... talk about blowing apart the "neutral friendly" thing once and for all. They're apparently all armed to the teeth and every citizen is a member of the armed forces essentially and loaded with AKs and guns. Seems like a bunch of sociopaths with no conscience basically. Basically the Huns of the west. Sounds like Corporate America found it's model there. These "sociopaths" live better and more peacefully and with less crime rate than basically any other non-armed nation in the world.
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Post by dzejkob on Oct 1, 2016 13:29:36 GMT
Actually it was essential imo. Communities were very close, a lot of people used it to advance their power obviously but everyday people quite often were quite christian as in just simple honest person. Anyways it was essential for the world to be the way it is now at least, the biggest religion in the world after all. And for western society cause it defines it, all countries follow Christianity in the west afterall as a main religion. Look at other parts of the world religions define cultures in many many countries of the world. but this is just down to each person opinion. (i had to edit it slightly cause i was in game when writing and being in the hurry doesn't help) "Essential" for what it looks like, probably. The flavor. And essential perhaps as a cohesive element (that is why it was adopted by the Romans). But not essential for what Western Civilization is, in the sense of what makes it different and unique among civilizations. That would be, put very shortly: The ideas of rationalism, discovery and equality. And I don't think it would be wrong to say that the Western Civilization has shaped Christianity, and still do, more than Christianity has shaped Western Civilization. An absurd distinction to make, perhaps, but think about it for a while. This cohesive element put together the Europe as we know, and Christianity did promote discoveries and equality a lot. With discoveries was to see how ''gods work'' works and promoting maths especially to describe that. Of course not all discoveries were welcomed with open hands whilst other were (cherry picking in that sense) However we must remember that Europe was somewhat advanced in comparison of majority of the world even before the start of the Renaissance, in Americas at the time people still were getting sacrificed in masses on top of their pyramids as example. Although i don't agree with that only '' rationalism, discovery and equality.'' made Europe unique, but i can firmly agree that people shaped Christianity as well (the rise of Protestantism, allowing divorces to become more common etc) To be honest we can't say whether it was essential or not just because we can't say what would happen or what would be in place of Christianity this is more down to individuals opinion. But i think we both agree it was important at the very least.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 1, 2016 21:35:18 GMT
Some interesting photos about WW2: Foreign volunteers in the Nazi Germany Army Huh I feel like I should say something witty here but my mind is drawing a blank.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 2, 2016 6:49:49 GMT
I just have to ask: Are there more persons we are supposed to recognize in those other photographs? I can almost imagine I do (even Mao Zedong), but I also know it cannot be.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Oct 2, 2016 6:58:09 GMT
No, I just found them in google search. Except I knew about those Bosnians and that Arab.
And there was a Korean movie about the unwanted adventure of a Korean and a Japanese in China, Russia and Nazi Germany. That's related to the other photo.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 7:16:36 GMT
Hitler also allied with Stalin for a moment. keke
The whole thing was divide and conquer and cater to nationalists/self-interests. Long term, the Third Reich would have liquidated all of them, if it had lasted.
Funnily, that's also what did him in eventually. Japan was a terrible ally for Hitler.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Oct 2, 2016 7:38:56 GMT
No. Japan was tough and did a tremendous Job in Asia conquering all those lands and islands. It was USA which was super strong. The Japs actually designed many high tech fighters. A6M Mitsubishi Ziro was as good as American fighters, if not better. This Myazaki anime is really great and it's about an Japanese airplane designer: And don't forget the only reason Russia could fight back against Germany was the allies conquering Iran and sending equipments, tech and resources to Russia through it.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 7:45:57 GMT
No. Japan was tough and did a tremendous Job in Asia conquering all those lands and islands. It was USA which was super strong. The Japs actually designed many high tech fighters. A6M Mitsubishi Ziro was as good as American fighters, if not better. I didn't mean they were weak. That was Italy. I just said they were terrible. It got America fully invested in the war.. and they weren't going to simply focus on Japan.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 2, 2016 9:04:28 GMT
"Essential" for what it looks like, probably. The flavor. And essential perhaps as a cohesive element (that is why it was adopted by the Romans). But not essential for what Western Civilization is, in the sense of what makes it different and unique among civilizations. That would be, put very shortly: The ideas of rationalism, discovery and equality. And I don't think it would be wrong to say that the Western Civilization has shaped Christianity, and still do, more than Christianity has shaped Western Civilization. An absurd distinction to make, perhaps, but think about it for a while. This cohesive element put together the Europe as we know, and Christianity did promote discoveries and equality a lot. With discoveries was to see how ''gods work'' works and promoting maths especially to describe that. Of course not all discoveries were welcomed with open hands whilst other were (cherry picking in that sense) However we must remember that Europe was somewhat advanced in comparison of majority of the world even before the start of the Renaissance, in Americas at the time people still were getting sacrificed in masses on top of their pyramids as example. Although i don't agree with that only '' rationalism, discovery and equality.'' made Europe unique, but i can firmly agree that people shaped Christianity as well (the rise of Protestantism, allowing divorces to become more common etc) To be honest we can't say whether it was essential or not just because we can't say what would happen or what would be in place of Christianity this is more down to individuals opinion. But i think we both agree it was important at the very least. As I said previously, it is perhaps an absurd distinction to make. One problem being the reciprocal feedback mechanism of ideas. But I think you're maybe attributing a bit too much to Christianity, so I felt like rambling more on this subject. Even our "Christian" holidays and many traditions are pre-Christian. The main point of contention between Magvs♠Ardashir and me previously, was the concept of "Western Civilization". I was considering the general and common understanding, as used in history, philosophy, mathematics and science, something, an essential heritage of ideas, that starts with Greece. Magvs was considering something much narrower, something modern political - Western Christian Europe perhaps. That view is necessary for the contention of "declines" and "ends", whereas I in the specific examples rather see "change". And I would argue that "to see Gods work" doesn't come from Christianity, but precisely from this heritage - It would be an example of how Western Civilization has formed Christianity. On the contrary, I think that various Christian churches have occasionally/often taken the opposite view, i.e. that it's blasphemy and that all knowledge needed is already contained in the Bible. Even today, as in the example of genetical science and applications (and somewhat rightly in that case, since applications are ridiculously dangerous and I'm pretty convinced they don't know what they're doing). But many strains of Christianity are battling against knowledge even today. Take the creationists for instance. And I suggest the last thing we should want is to fill up that cup with more believers in dogmatic irrationality, i.e. muslims from the middle east. Discovering the Gods' work, had, I believe, its origin with Babylonian mystics. And that is why I, in a previous post somewhere, said that the seed was in Babylon, though the birth and origin of Western Civilization is in Greece. That idea was present in Greece and then makes its presence, struggling against the church, periodically, with individuals like Giordano Bruno. It was re-invigorated particularly by Isaac Newton, who believed in God, but took a very dim view of the Church (well it's obvious, isn't it? that religions are man-made and God have nothing to do with them). There is nothing "only" about rationalism, discovery and equality. It's the entire difference.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 2, 2016 9:43:56 GMT
No. Japan was tough and did a tremendous Job in Asia conquering all those lands and islands. It was USA which was super strong. ... And don't forget the only reason Russia could fight back against Germany was the allies conquering Iran and sending equipments, tech and resources to Russia through it. I must agree with straycat. Japan was a terrible ally for Germany. Germany had preciously little to gain by such allegiance. It has nothing to do with Japan or Japan's accomplishments, but rather the fact that they didn't really have any real common interests. It seems more to have been some kind of anti-Britain&USA sentiments club. When USA declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor, Hitler honored the alliance by declaring war on USA, - but what a stupid thing to do! (Then we can go on and also suggest that Italy was a poor ally for Germany, but that has more to do with Mussolini's erratic behavior and foolish initiatives. And who could predict that?)
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Post by kizanare on Oct 2, 2016 9:51:23 GMT
Japan was and currently is Germany's girlfriend.
Think about that, the US struggled militarily against the "girl" in the relationship, isn't that crazy?
Of course, they also didn't participate in the Holocaust and other things, even when asked pretty pointedly, pretty cool, if you ask me.
Imagine if a country went to war against the Miley Cyrus army, yeah, be over pretty quick I imagine.
That said, Japan's entry had little to do with the outcome of the war one way or another. Nazi Germany lost to Devers and the US and that's all there is to it.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 10:52:23 GMT
Japan was and currently is Germany's girlfriend. Think about that, the US struggled militarily against the "girl" in the relationship, isn't that crazy? Of course, they also didn't participate in the Holocaust and other things, even when asked pretty pointedly, pretty cool, if you ask me. Imagine if a country went to war against the Miley Cyrus army, yeah, be over pretty quick I imagine. That said, Japan's entry had little to do with the outcome of the war one way or another. Nazi Germany lost to Devers and the US and that's all there is to it. I've been patient with you, but Miley Cyrus? Grow up. Let me help you take this a bit more seriously.
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Post by dzejkob on Oct 2, 2016 11:00:24 GMT
This cohesive element put together the Europe as we know, and Christianity did promote discoveries and equality a lot. With discoveries was to see how ''gods work'' works and promoting maths especially to describe that. Of course not all discoveries were welcomed with open hands whilst other were (cherry picking in that sense) However we must remember that Europe was somewhat advanced in comparison of majority of the world even before the start of the Renaissance, in Americas at the time people still were getting sacrificed in masses on top of their pyramids as example. Although i don't agree with that only '' rationalism, discovery and equality.'' made Europe unique, but i can firmly agree that people shaped Christianity as well (the rise of Protestantism, allowing divorces to become more common etc) To be honest we can't say whether it was essential or not just because we can't say what would happen or what would be in place of Christianity this is more down to individuals opinion. But i think we both agree it was important at the very least. As I said previously, it is perhaps an absurd distinction to make. One problem being the reciprocal feedback mechanism of ideas. But I think you're maybe attributing a bit too much to Christianity, so I felt like rambling more on this subject. Even our "Christian" holidays and many traditions are pre-Christian. The main point of contention between Magvs♠Ardashir and me previously, was the concept of "Western Civilization". I was considering the general and common understanding, as used in history, philosophy, mathematics and science, something, an essential heritage of ideas, that starts with Greece. Magvs was considering something much narrower, something modern political - Western Christian Europe perhaps. That view is necessary for the contention of "declines" and "ends", whereas I in the specific examples rather see "change". And I would argue that "to see Gods work" doesn't come from Christianity, but precisely from this heritage - It would be an example of how Western Civilization has formed Christianity. On the contrary, I think that various Christian churches have occasionally/often taken the opposite view, i.e. that it's blasphemy and that all knowledge needed is already contained in the Bible. Even today, as in the example of genetical science and applications (and somewhat rightly in that case, since applications are ridiculously dangerous and I'm pretty convinced they don't know what they're doing). But many strains of Christianity are battling against knowledge even today. Take the creationists for instance. And I suggest the last thing we should want is to fill up that cup with more believers in dogmatic irrationality, i.e. muslims from the middle east. Discovering the Gods' work, had, I believe, its origin with Babylonian mystics. And that is why I, in a previous post somewhere, said that the seed was in Babylon, though the birth and origin of Western Civilization is in Greece. That idea was present in Greece and then makes its presence, struggling against the church, periodically, with individuals like Giordano Bruno. It was re-invigorated particularly by Isaac Newton, who believed in God, but took a very dim view of the Church (well it's obvious, isn't it? that religions are man-made and God have nothing to do with them). There is nothing "only" about rationalism, discovery and equality. It's the entire difference. It is true, and we both been rambling quite a bit. You were talking about the western civilization and pointed that Christianity wasn't that essential and on contrary it almost killed the western civilization which i disagree with so i wanted to give few example why that is not necessarily true and this turned to a debate (luckily very civilized one). Also it is commonly known that a lot of holidays originated from pagan celebrations, and with the idea of ''gods work'' i never said it comes from Christianity i said it was used and kept up in circulation, both shaped western Europe of course western civilization didn't evolve just from what i said (Christianity) as you mentioned Babylon was important as well just like Greece or Romans, there is a lot of work for civilization to be made. Yet i agree that christian church As i said before was cheery picking the discoveries and it depended what country you were in as well Copernicus had no problems whilst Galileo its a whole different story. I myself was raised as catholic and i never seen those nut cases in Europe at least usually these people are very loud in USA but luckily all they do is moan about and not do anything but stand with their signs. And we don't need crazy if someone is irrational is their business but they should keep it to themselves. Although as you said with genetics is a very slippery slope, i had some work experience in a lab where we were looking at genetics of yeast such a simple life form is yet so complicated so making change to it even simple one can have a lot of unknown side effects over time, but that's were caution is needed and a lot of work. And of course religion is after all mans invention so to speak of it, its just an easy way to describe the unknowns although interestingly every civilization has developed and idea of sorts of deity over time.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 11:10:30 GMT
As I said previously, it is perhaps an absurd distinction to make. One problem being the reciprocal feedback mechanism of ideas. But I think you're maybe attributing a bit too much to Christianity, so I felt like rambling more on this subject. Even our "Christian" holidays and many traditions are pre-Christian. The main point of contention between Magvs♠Ardashir and me previously, was the concept of "Western Civilization". I was considering the general and common understanding, as used in history, philosophy, mathematics and science, something, an essential heritage of ideas, that starts with Greece. Magvs was considering something much narrower, something modern political - Western Christian Europe perhaps. That view is necessary for the contention of "declines" and "ends", whereas I in the specific examples rather see "change". And I would argue that "to see Gods work" doesn't come from Christianity, but precisely from this heritage - It would be an example of how Western Civilization has formed Christianity. On the contrary, I think that various Christian churches have occasionally/often taken the opposite view, i.e. that it's blasphemy and that all knowledge needed is already contained in the Bible. Even today, as in the example of genetical science and applications (and somewhat rightly in that case, since applications are ridiculously dangerous and I'm pretty convinced they don't know what they're doing). But many strains of Christianity are battling against knowledge even today. Take the creationists for instance. And I suggest the last thing we should want is to fill up that cup with more believers in dogmatic irrationality, i.e. muslims from the middle east. Discovering the Gods' work, had, I believe, its origin with Babylonian mystics. And that is why I, in a previous post somewhere, said that the seed was in Babylon, though the birth and origin of Western Civilization is in Greece. That idea was present in Greece and then makes its presence, struggling against the church, periodically, with individuals like Giordano Bruno. It was re-invigorated particularly by Isaac Newton, who believed in God, but took a very dim view of the Church (well it's obvious, isn't it? that religions are man-made and God have nothing to do with them). There is nothing "only" about rationalism, discovery and equality. It's the entire difference. I myself was raised as catholic and i never seen those nut cases in Europe at least usually these people are very loud in USA but luckily all they do is moan about and not do anything but stand with their signs. And we don't need crazy if someone is irrational is their business but they should keep it to themselves. Although as you said with genetics is a very slippery slope, i had some work experience in a lab where we were looking at genetics of yeast such a simple life form is yet so complicated so making change to it even simple one can have a lot of unknown side effects over time, but that's were caution is needed and a lot of work. That's just Catholics in general. You don't see them doing that here either. Although many do protest various forms of death. "Consistent life" policy - no death penalty, no abortion, no war. Usually these are liberal Catholics. Like Sister Helen Prejean.
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Post by dzejkob on Oct 2, 2016 11:15:03 GMT
I myself was raised as catholic and i never seen those nut cases in Europe at least usually these people are very loud in USA but luckily all they do is moan about and not do anything but stand with their signs. And we don't need crazy if someone is irrational is their business but they should keep it to themselves. Although as you said with genetics is a very slippery slope, i had some work experience in a lab where we were looking at genetics of yeast such a simple life form is yet so complicated so making change to it even simple one can have a lot of unknown side effects over time, but that's were caution is needed and a lot of work. That's just Catholics in general. You don't see them doing that here either. Although many do protest various forms of death. "Consistent life" policy - no death penalty, no abortion, no war. Usually these are liberal Catholics. Like Sister Helen Prejean. Thanks for the information! also protestants don't do it right? i think its the baptist as i remember being the loudest? i may be wrong tho.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 11:17:21 GMT
That's just Catholics in general. You don't see them doing that here either. Although many do protest various forms of death. "Consistent life" policy - no death penalty, no abortion, no war. Usually these are liberal Catholics. Like Sister Helen Prejean. Thanks for the information! also protestants don't do it right? i think its the baptist as i remember being the loudest? i may be wrong tho. I guess Protestant works. Not many are actually connected to historical protestant tenets.. so the new catch all word these days is "evangelical", I guess. edit: Oh wait, you're asking if Protestants don't do this either? Not the mainline types.
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