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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Sept 3, 2016 19:51:03 GMT
You know as far as WW2... my summary 1. Germany lost to Russia, that's really WW2 right there. So much is made of the Western Front, etc, but lets imagine Nazi Germany had 100% health bar and USSR is at 100%. They fight, and then Germany is at 0% and USSR is at like 29% or so. All the other things like Crete or Scandinavia or whatever were pretty immaterial compared to that. There wasn't any secret gimmick or dramatic moment, they just lost... eventually, even if they would generally be successful on a tactical basis, on a strategic level they were ultimately losing due to sheer numbers production of tanks, etc. The reason WW2 was on such a more pronounced scale (i.e. why Germany was able to take over so many countries) as compared to previous conflicts was because Nazi Germany was really more like Bavaria/Southern Germany getting fully involved.. A lot of earlier conflicts centered on either conflicts between German states or was Prussia/Teutonic Knights doing it's daily duel with Poland or something. It was kind of a completely unified approach, in essence. That's a popular view. I, otoh, have a hard time imagining that Germany would have lost against Soviet, if they could have used Luftwaffe, and if they had intact production and logistics. WW2 has to count as a 'modern' war. What is the most important component of modern war? - Airpower. What is the second most important component of modern war? - Trucks. Germany lost all their important shit in "whatever", meaning not just Crete or Scandinavia, but in and over North Africa and Europe, particularly over Germany. They had only men and horses - The two least important components of modern war - left for the Eastern front. From the summer of 1943 Luftwaffe had only two combat Geschwaders left in the East, JG52 and SG2. The other 95 or so were either already disolved or dying rapidly in the West. And lets not forget the American Ploesti raids - hardly inconsequential. And if the West wasn't involved in the war, where would then Soviet have got all their American trucks from? Without which the Soviet army operations would have looked very, very different. As for Germany's initial success, - they were the only ones who had mobilized.
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Post by kizanare on Sept 4, 2016 1:01:31 GMT
You know as far as WW2... my summary 1. Germany lost to Russia, that's really WW2 right there. So much is made of the Western Front, etc, but lets imagine Nazi Germany had 100% health bar and USSR is at 100%. They fight, and then Germany is at 0% and USSR is at like 29% or so. All the other things like Crete or Scandinavia or whatever were pretty immaterial compared to that. There wasn't any secret gimmick or dramatic moment, they just lost... eventually, even if they would generally be successful on a tactical basis, on a strategic level they were ultimately losing due to sheer numbers production of tanks, etc. The reason WW2 was on such a more pronounced scale (i.e. why Germany was able to take over so many countries) as compared to previous conflicts was because Nazi Germany was really more like Bavaria/Southern Germany getting fully involved.. A lot of earlier conflicts centered on either conflicts between German states or was Prussia/Teutonic Knights doing it's daily duel with Poland or something. It was kind of a completely unified approach, in essence. That's a popular view. I, otoh, have a hard time imagining that Germany would have lost against Soviet, if they could have used Luftwaffe, and if they had intact production and logistics. WW2 has to count as a 'modern' war. What is the most important component of modern war? - Airpower. What is the second most important component of modern war? - Trucks. Germany lost all their important shit in "whatever", meaning not just Crete or Scandinavia, but in and over North Africa and Europe, particularly over Germany. They had only men and horses - The two least important components of modern war - left for the Eastern front. From the summer of 1943 Luftwaffe had only two combat Geschwaders left in the East, JG52 and SG2. The other 95 or so were either already disolved or dying rapidly in the West. And lets not forget the American Ploesti raids - hardly inconsequential. And if the West wasn't involved in the war, where would then Soviet have got all their American trucks from? Without which the Soviet army operations would have looked very, very different. As for Germany's initial success, - they were the only ones who had mobilized. Here's the thing though, midway 1943/1944-1945 Germany was much more effective militarily than it was 1938-1943. In fact, during the Battle of Berlin, which is often represented as a pure lost cause, which well, in a strategic sense, it was, but in a tactical sense the Hitler Youth, various foreign brigades, etc, were actually their most impressive in many ways. For instance, the Panzerfaust, the perfect anti-tank weapon, went into mass circulation I think around 1944. Also various generals, Walter Model, etc, were much more effective than their earlier parties, not necessarily well liked, mind you, in fact most of the time they were liked less... but more effective? Yeah, perhaps. The V2 rocket program was also pretty much overwhelmingly devastating even though it missed a lot of the time, because there was literally no countermeasures available for it whatsoever. Most people weren't even sure what it was, like alien technology or something. You could argue though, that when we're saying "Russia" we are meaning "the allies" not just Russia, I think that's probably completely fair. Sans US/English support, it might of been much harder, I still think the USSR would have prevailed eventually. They mobilized something like 30 million soldiers.... it's just a mammoth force. The primary effect of Sicily/Greece/Crete/Malta, etc, was to take Italy out of the war completely, Germany wasn't invested in a serious western front until D-Day, more or less, and even then, that was relegated to a handful of battles which simply pushed the lines to around the contemporary borders of Germany (i.e. similar to WWI). Crete meant no more airborne forces, but the chief benefit of the airborne force was really in Belgium in terms of subverting the fortresses, in the Netherlands for example they were pretty disastrous (they had kind of a specialized value, in essence) As for Germany's "initial success" well the simple fact is they weren't really fighting half the time, the "Battle of Denmark" consisted of like a few police squads firing some rounds and like 100 casualties or something. France surrendered with pretty much it's entire airforce in tact.
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 4, 2016 2:27:26 GMT
My grandfather has a picture in front of the Eiffel Tower(along with the rest of his regiment). The big one mind you on Champ. I'll see if I can't dig it out of its flash drive the next time I'm actually at my equipment. It's signed and dated and everything. It was for his wife. It's back has a single blurb. "Mobilized on 14th of May, in Paris 11th of June." Note this was back when the man had a sense of humor. >.> He did some sketchy shit that month. But hey Partisans are simply another terminology for one state's terrorists.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 4, 2016 3:05:58 GMT
Speaking of WW2, here's an interesting lecture on the Eastern Front.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 4, 2016 4:11:00 GMT
I wish people would talk about anything older than WW1...
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 4, 2016 5:50:50 GMT
I wish people would talk about anything older than WW1... Coal mining in Norway has been a constant source of natural wealth and means of industrial and commercial production since the mid 1800s. It's a aged practice that gets a fair amount of scorn these days but is still tolerated.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Sept 4, 2016 8:29:57 GMT
In fact, during the Battle of Berlin, which is often represented as a pure lost cause, which well, in a strategic sense, it was, but in a tactical sense the Hitler Youth, various foreign brigades, etc, were actually their most impressive in many ways. For instance, the Panzerfaust, the perfect anti-tank weapon, went into mass circulation I think around 1944. Also various generals, Walter Model, etc, were much more effective than their earlier parties, not necessarily well liked, mind you, in fact most of the time they were liked less... but more effective? Yeah, perhaps. The V2 rocket program was also pretty much overwhelmingly devastating even though it missed a lot of the time, because there was literally no countermeasures available for it whatsoever. Most people weren't even sure what it was, like alien technology or something. You could argue though, that when we're saying "Russia" we are meaning "the allies" not just Russia, I think that's probably completely fair. Sans US/English support, it might of been much harder, I still think the USSR would have prevailed eventually. They mobilized something like 30 million soldiers.... it's just a mammoth force. The primary effect of Sicily/Greece/Crete/Malta, etc, was to take Italy out of the war completely, Germany wasn't invested in a serious western front until D-Day, more or less, and even then, that was relegated to a handful of battles which simply pushed the lines to around the contemporary borders of Germany (i.e. similar to WWI). Crete meant no more airborne forces, but the chief benefit of the airborne force was really in Belgium in terms of subverting the fortresses, in the Netherlands for example they were pretty disastrous (they had kind of a specialized value, in essence) As for Germany's "initial success" well the simple fact is they weren't really fighting half the time, the "Battle of Denmark" consisted of like a few police squads firing some rounds and like 100 casualties or something. France surrendered with pretty much it's entire airforce in tact. But as long as you only look at the ground troops - which is what most people do, including historians, like the "forgotten battles" -colonel in the interesting video posted - you really don't see the picture. You really don't. I'll repeat that again: You really do not see the picture. You mention Crete again. A lightweight word meaning fluff. You mention V2. An effort that damaged Germany's war fighting abilities much more than the very few random explosions of less than a tonne of explosive somewhere in Britain. Utterly useless! I'll mention the heavyweight word again: Luftwaffe. Luftwaffe was absent from the Eastern front from 1943. The Western war was an airwar. Considering how badly Germany lost this from the end of 1943 - the moment when the scale tipped over - and through 1944, essentially Luftwaffe being wiped out, they should maybe never have fought it at all? Since it didn't make any real difference? The problem is that they - like the frog in the kettle - were drawn into it. In 1943 they had some successes defending themselves. But the planes and men could have been used to a totally different effect in the East. It doesn't mean a thing how many armor divisions you have, how many army groups you have. 30,000 tanks, 25 mil men, doesn't mean a thing - if the opponent has air superiority. It's all just waste, bomb-fodder, and stranded too, after they have had their supply lines destroyed behind them.
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Post by dzejkob on Sept 4, 2016 10:13:10 GMT
I wish people would talk about anything older than WW1... Coal mining in Norway has been a constant source of natural wealth and means of industrial and commercial production since the mid 1800s. It's a aged practice that gets a fair amount of scorn these days but is still tolerated. It was a very popular in England and Wales as well then, afterall aristocracy in Victorian era used to burn half a tonne of coal to keep their houses warm. Shame about people working in mines (specially kids) or those who worked in factories back then, lower class citizens used to get a depression so bad some decided to just lay on the floor in their accommodation and just die. Although its not surprising working 12 hours a day, sharing a room with 5 or even more people, problems with diseases like cholera, jobs being difficult and dangerous.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 7, 2016 2:00:07 GMT
On melee weapons of the Great War
On the German Light Cruiser SMS Emden that went on a one ship rampage against Allied ships and other targets in the indian and pacific oceans.
On Canadian aboriginal sniper Francis Pegahmagabow, the most successful sniper of the war, with 378 enemy kills.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 7, 2016 4:51:26 GMT
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Post by Serza on Sept 7, 2016 10:05:59 GMT
Earlier than the first war...?
Sure. Did you know that the Hussites have beaten a Crusade with nought but SINGING?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 7, 2016 10:53:01 GMT
Interesting video:
Even more interesting video:
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Post by Serza on Sept 7, 2016 12:18:40 GMT
Since we're talking Winged Hussars:
Edit: Actually found a video!
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 7, 2016 14:34:41 GMT
Because there is no movie to show the Persian battles of Roman and Byzantine periods (that I know), these Total War videos are the closest thing you get. So watch these cool armies clash!
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 7, 2016 17:46:04 GMT
Trigger Warning!
Soviets are history now. So take these 2 photos about border guards.
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Post by o Ventus on Sept 7, 2016 17:56:18 GMT
All this talk about WWII and nothing about the Pacific theater. Shamefur dispray.
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Post by Serza on Sept 7, 2016 18:20:31 GMT
Are you more honorabru?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 7, 2016 18:27:25 GMT
NIPPON BANZAI!
Satisfied?
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 7, 2016 18:34:33 GMT
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 7, 2016 19:20:23 GMT
Battles involving the Apache in the old west, the first against confederate scouts and the next against federal troops in the 1880s.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 7, 2016 19:35:26 GMT
All this talk about WWII and nothing about the Pacific theater. Shamefur dispray. Here's Kamikaze footage played to the tune of Kiyoshi Yoshida's "Rising Sun".
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 7, 2016 22:54:26 GMT
For those of you who have seen the movie Marie-Antoinette you might recall her lover, the Swedish count Axel von Fersen? He also died an untimely death, lynched by a mob in Sweden because he was wrongfully suspected of having killed a very popular crown prince. Now, I find it highly ironic that Marie-Antionette was killed by a bunch of people that absolutely loathed the monarchy while von Fersen was killed by a bunch of people who loved the monarchy a bit too much...
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Post by Gaston on Sept 8, 2016 10:05:46 GMT
History triggers me, as it reminds me how far my country has fallen. The Netherlands used to be a giant and feared trade empire once, something many of us often forget these days. Now The Netherlands is but a small European country who obediently nods at the whims of mother Merkel and the EU. Relevant:
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 8, 2016 22:36:24 GMT
On German Stormtroopers/Sturmtruppen in WW1.
2-Gun match that compares the gear of a Sturmtruppen with that of the Rear Line Landwehr
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Post by straykat on Sept 9, 2016 2:02:24 GMT
History triggers me, as it reminds me how far my country has fallen. The Netherlands used to be a giant and feared trade empire once, something many of us often forget these days. Now The Netherlands is but a small European country who obediently nods at the whims of mother Merkel and the EU. More importantly, a center of Art and Enlightenment. Scientists don't forget it seems. Plus, your women are tall. I'm a tall guy.. I wouldn't mind seeing that here.
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